Our nature is our destiny (with some caveats)

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Kafziel

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Some people say it's destiny and some say it's choice but it has to be both. I don't think we have complete free will, I mean there is always a choice but I don't think we have complete free will in a way. I believe we have a personal nature. So some things are destiny (with the caveat that we can have ourselves or someone else can physically restrained us from doing them). Let's take for instance someone with a sinful nature, someone who eats too much. Yes they will absolutely eat too much if given the opportunity, but if they imprisoned for whatever reason and put on a diet they will have no other opportunity but to eat little food.

So it is free will in a way but also a potential destiny assuming freedom of circumstance.
 
p_rehbein

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So......another comment lessening God and Jesus, huh?

The example in no way lessens "free will."
 
Lynx

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Kafziel said:
Some people say it's destiny and some say it's choice but it has to be both. I don't think we have complete free will, I mean there is always a choice but I don't think we have complete free will in a way. I believe we have a personal nature. So some things are destiny (with the caveat that we can have ourselves or someone else can physically restrained us from doing them). Let's take for instance someone with a sinful nature, someone who eats too much. Yes they will absolutely eat too much if given the opportunity, but if they imprisoned for whatever reason and put on a diet they will have no other opportunity but to eat little food.

So it is free will in a way but also a potential destiny assuming freedom of circumstance.
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We have complete free will in the environment in which we find ourselves.

God could restrain us in an ultimate way, make us biological robots. But we wouldn't learn anything from that.

We have free will as long as we are willing to take the results of our actions. The Bible laid out the results we can expect.

This brings us to the reason for being alive at all: We are here to learn from our mistakes and figure out God's way really is best. Think of this life as a tutorial level. And we have complete freedom to wreck ourselves any way we want. We have to live with the junk our actions cause though.
 
Kafziel

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p_rehbein said:
So......another comment lessening God and Jesus, huh?

The example in no way lessens "free will."
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p_rehbein said:
So......another comment lessening God and Jesus, huh?

The example in no way lessens "free will."
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Anything I say that seems realistic to me lessens God and Jesus. They are regarded as perfect.

No not really but however it doesn't just apply to people, the nature of the universe is inescapable for example. Destiny is just an interaction between the nature of beings and the nature of the environment they find themselves in. I learned that from something I heard one day that wasn't really there, interestingly enough.
 
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