You mean this Scripture?
1 Corinthians 13:8-10 [SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
This I believe is the cessationist core Scripture that the gifts are gone. As a matter of fact, it's the only one.
having previously corrected your
PARTIAL quoting of the key passage, let's carry on.
i guess i can help you out on what cessationism's 'core' is....more later.
let's start by finding out if Peter said THIS IS THAT, and if he meant it for 2013, or you.
we can then move into immediate church history and look for continuation....oh...here's a start:
Montanism was an early Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy. It originated in Phrygia, a province of Asia Minor, and flourished throughout the region, leading to the movement being referred to elsewhere as "Cataphrygian" (meaning it was "from Phrygia") or simply as "Phrygian". It spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
Although it came to be labelled a heresy, the movement held similar views about the basic tenets of Christian doctrine to those of the wider Christian Church. It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and a more conservative personal ethic. Parallels have been drawn between Montanism and modern day movements such as Pentecostalism, the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.[1]
Montanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
Adam Clarke's commentary
But when that which is perfect—The state of eternal blessedness; then that which is in part—that which is imperfect, shall be done away; the imperfect as well as the probationary state shall cease for ever. .
yup...clarke does intepret
that particular portion just that way.
was he a Pentecostal as we know it today?
what does he say about
tongues?
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"The tongues of men" - All human languages, with all the eloquence of the most accomplished orator.
"And of angels" - i.e. Though a man knew the language of the eternal world so well that he could hold conversation with its inhabitants, and find out the secrets of their kingdom. Or, probably, the apostle refers to a notion that was common among the Jews, that there was a language by which angels might be invoked, adjured, collected, and dispersed; and by the means of which many secrets might be found out, and curious arts and sciences known.
There is much of this kind to be found in their cabalistical books, and in the books of many called Christians. Cornelius Agrippa's occult philosophy abounds in this; and it was the main object of Dr. Dee's actions with spirits to get a complete vocabulary of this language. See what has been published of his work by Dr. Casaubon; and the remaining manuscript parts in the Sloane library, in the British museum.
In Bava Bathra, fol. 134, mention is made of a famous rabbin, Jochanan ben Zaccai, who understood the language of devils, trees, and angels.
Some think that the apostle means only the most splendid eloquence; as we sometimes apply the word angelic to signify any thing sublime, grand, beautiful, &c.; but it is more likely that he speaks here after the manner of his countrymen, who imagined that there was an angelic language which was the key to many mysteries; a language which might be acquired, and which, they say, had been learned by several.
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now, do you suppose Mr. Clarke is intending to say that Paul was confirming cabbalistic notions of angelic languages "which was the key to many mysteries"?
if so....can any tongue-speakers today please reveal the occult mysteries they are shown by God?
or that he referenced the Talmudic notion (tradition of my fathers, Paul called them)?
what else did Mr. Clarke say about tongues?:
"Tongues-shall cease" -
The miraculous gift of different languages, that soon shall cease, as being unnecessary."
cont....
