Reasons why the Sabbath (7th day of the week) is not a moral law but ceremonial

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Despite the claims by sabbath-keepers that we all (Jew and Gentile) should be keeping the 7th-day sabbath, it can be shown that this is not the case. A possible reason why the new testament mentions only 9 of the 10 commandments and not the 7th day sabbath, is because the 7th day sabbath was never a moral law but a ceremonial one.

Here's a few reasons why:


(1) Moral laws do not and cannot depend upon a particular day of the week. For example it makes no sense for murder to be acceptable on a Tuesday but not on a Saturday.


(2) The word sabbath is not used in the book of Genesis. While God rested from creation on the 7th, he did not create any sort of 7th day sabbath that humans had to keep. Reference to Genesis in Exodus was only to explain to Moses why the Sabbath was instituted.

(3) No human kept a sabbath until Moses (Exo 16:23). Adam, Noah, Abraham, none of these kept the sabbath.

(4) The sabbaths were only given to the Israelites, not to anyone else.

(5) The scriptures say the sabbath was given to the Israelites with Moses not Adam:

see Neh 9:14 , Ezekial 20,

Neh 9:14 And You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and commanded them commandments, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.
Eze 20:12 And also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Jehovah who sets them apart.


(6) In Leviticus 23 the 7th day sabbath is included in with the feasts. Throughout the old testament the sabbath is always tied in with the ceremonial feasts and observances.


Paul said:

Col 2:16 Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or in respect of a feast, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths.

Sabbath-keepers claim that "sabbaths" here does not include the 7th day Sabbath. But if we read in Leviticus 23, the 7th day sabbath is tied in with the others, there is no indication that it can be separated or treated differently from the word "sabbaths".


Besides all this, there are extensive historical writings that show that the early church worshipped on Sunday not Saturday, and that christians never kept the 7th day sabbath. There are also no explicit commands in the new testament for gentile christians to keep the Sabbath (Acts 15).
 
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1. Therefore, it is something you are not understanding. What makes this law moral is that by keeping it, we are aknowledging that God created the heavens and the earth as well as us.. To ignore that is to ignore your existence. When you are obedient to the 4th commandment, you are showing God His due respect and morally are honoring Him as your creator and father.

2. The word Sabbath means "rest" so technically, the word Sabbath was in Genesis.. " And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Genesis 2:2-3 Sanctified means set apart and He set it apart for a reason... not only that...He blessed it and it is still blesssed to this day.

3. "for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation." Romans 4:15..If there was no law written prior to the 10 commandments that said Keep the Sabbath, then they were not sinning against God. If it was not written as a law, then how could they break it?

4. This is not true.. The 10 Commandments apply to all Christians (TEN Commandments-Not 9 Commandments) because they were written by God and spoken by God.. "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these LEAST commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5:19.. If you teach pple to break the LEAST of these commands, then you will be called LEAST in Heaven.. but if you DO and TEACH others to keep the commandments, then you will be called great. Also, GOD sanctified and blessed the 7th day at creation, before there was any Jew.

Also, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:" Hebrews 4:4-6.. The Israelites did not enter the promise land because they were disobedient..He was showing us an illustration as to what will happen to us if we are disobedient as well... Miss out on the promise land.

He backs it up with this scripture... "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." Hebrews 4:8-11 I dont see anything in here about Jews ONLY having a Sabbath rest... instead it does say that the PEOPLE OF GOD do. Then he goes on to say, LABOUR (work) to enter into that rest or you will fall after the same example of the Israelites.. They did not make it into the promise land, instead they died in the desert.

5. The Sabbath was given from God.. not Moses.. Moses didn't command the pple to keep the 7th day Sabbath... Instead the mouth of God spoke it and the hand of God wrote it.. The 4th Commandment.

6. The 7th Sabbath has always (and always will be) been on the 7th day... But the ceremonial Sabbaths fell on different days according to each year.. For example, my bday is on Monday this year, but next year, it will be on a tuesday.. These changing Sabbaths included sacraficing and burnt offerings..etc which the Jews did to rid themselves of their sins...(ie guilt offering, sin offering) These feasts pointed to the coming of our Lord..Jesus

The Passover-They had to get an unspotted Lamb without defect-No bones were to be broken and sacrafice it.. Cooking it whole- Christ fulfilled this feast because He was that Lamb..without defect (sin)-No bones could be broken in His body.. Remember when they stopped the guy from breaking His legs after He died on the cross? It was according to prophecy..There is more detail, but I am just giving the surface of it..

Feast of First Fruits-They had to give up their first fruits (the fruit of their wages/crops/occupation) and there was to be a wave offering of their first fruits.-When Christ was rose on the 1st day... Some of the dead saints rose to and went about the city showing themselves.. These were the firsts fruits of Christ and they did the wave offering by showing themselves to the pple of the city. Even the day, the month, EVERYTHING is fulfilled with these feast days...

I am not listing all of the feasts but they were all shadows of things to come-Prophecy that foretold the coming of Jesus and showing us the cycle of our redemption..

Now how is the 7th day Sabbath a shadow of things to come? The 7th day sabbath shows us who God is.. The creator.. It is a commemoration of our creation.. and to abide by what God said do only shows that you aknowledge Him as the creator. This Sabbath was not the same as the Feast Sabbaths. Whenever there was a double sabbath (a ceremonial sabbath fell on the 7th day Sabbath) it was called a High Sabbath. The 7th day Sabbath did consist of sacrafices and offerings (4th commandments does not say this) but if the other Feast day sabbaths did.. There were ceremonial laws that had to take place for the cleansing of their sins..

The Bible is DEEP and complex in its simplicity.. So "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Timothy 2:15-16

God Bless
 
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* The 7th day Sabbath did NOT consist of ceremonial laws as did the other feast day sabbaths.. There was a typo in my post toward the bottom
 
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1. Therefore, it is something you are not understanding. What makes this law moral is that by keeping it, we are aknowledging that God created the heavens and the earth as well as us.. To ignore that is to ignore your existence. When you are obedient to the 4th commandment, you are showing God His due respect and morally are honoring Him as your creator and father.


But we can morally honor Him as creator and father any day of the week right?


2. The word Sabbath means "rest" so technically, the word Sabbath was in Genesis.. " And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Genesis 2:2-3 Sanctified means set apart and He set it apart for a reason... not only that...He blessed it and it is still blesssed to this day.


Yet there is no mention of any one keeping the Sabbath until Moses, not even Abraham who is our example of faith, why is that?




4. This is not true.. The 10 Commandments apply to all Christians (TEN Commandments-Not 9 Commandments) because they were written by God and spoken by God.. "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these LEAST commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5:19.. If you teach pple to break the LEAST of these commands, then you will be called LEAST in Heaven.. but if you DO and TEACH others to keep the commandments, then you will be called great. Also, GOD sanctified and blessed the 7th day at creation, before there was any Jew.

Here's a question - which of the 10 commandments are the least ?


Also, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:" Hebrews 4:4-6.. The Israelites did not enter the promise land because they were disobedient..He was showing us an illustration as to what will happen to us if we are disobedient as well... Miss out on the promise land.

He's giving an illustration if we disbelieve.



He backs it up with this scripture... "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." Hebrews 4:8-11 I dont see anything in here about Jews ONLY having a Sabbath rest... instead it does say that the PEOPLE OF GOD do. Then he goes on to say, LABOUR (work) to enter into that rest or you will fall after the same example of the Israelites.. They did not make it into the promise land, instead they died in the desert.


This rest does not talk about the Sabbath. It is the rest of ceasing from our own works by entering Christ's rest by faith.


5. The Sabbath was given from God.. not Moses.. Moses didn't command the pple to keep the 7th day Sabbath... Instead the mouth of God spoke it and the hand of God wrote it.. The 4th Commandment.

Given through Moses. The 10 commandments were a covenant between God and His people the Israelites.


6. The 7th Sabbath has always (and always will be) been on the 7th day... But the ceremonial Sabbaths fell on different days according to each year.. For example, my bday is on Monday this year, but next year, it will be on a tuesday.. These changing Sabbaths included sacraficing and burnt offerings..etc which the Jews did to rid themselves of their sins...(ie guilt offering, sin offering) These feasts pointed to the coming of our Lord..Jesus

The Passover-They had to get an unspotted Lamb without defect-No bones were to be broken and sacrafice it.. Cooking it whole- Christ fulfilled this feast because He was that Lamb..without defect (sin)-No bones could be broken in His body.. Remember when they stopped the guy from breaking His legs after He died on the cross? It was according to prophecy..There is more detail, but I am just giving the surface of it..

Feast of First Fruits-They had to give up their first fruits (the fruit of their wages/crops/occupation) and there was to be a wave offering of their first fruits.-When Christ was rose on the 1st day... Some of the dead saints rose to and went about the city showing themselves.. These were the firsts fruits of Christ and they did the wave offering by showing themselves to the pple of the city. Even the day, the month, EVERYTHING is fulfilled with these feast days...

I am not listing all of the feasts but they were all shadows of things to come-Prophecy that foretold the coming of Jesus and showing us the cycle of our redemption..

Now how is the 7th day Sabbath a shadow of things to come? The 7th day sabbath shows us who God is.. The creator.. It is a commemoration of our creation.. and to abide by what God said do only shows that you aknowledge Him as the creator. This Sabbath was not the same as the Feast Sabbaths. Whenever there was a double sabbath (a ceremonial sabbath fell on the 7th day Sabbath) it was called a High Sabbath. The 7th day Sabbath did consist of sacrafices and offerings (4th commandments does not say this) but if the other Feast day sabbaths did.. There were ceremonial laws that had to take place for the cleansing of their sins..



The 7th day Sabbath or any sabbaths were shadows of the rest from our own works for salvation by faith in Christ.
 

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in the creation God worked from the first to the sixth day and rested on the seventh. we may say for the first six days he was verry bussy. then the task he had set himself compleated, he ceased to work. the seventh day became the sabath of God; it was Gods rest. But what of Addam? were did he stand in relation to the rest of God? Addam we are told was created on the sixth day. Clearly then he had no part in those first six days of work, since he came into being only at there end. God's sabath day was infact, Addams first. whereas God worked six days and then enjoyed his sabath rest, Addam began his life with the sabath, for God works before he rests, whyle man must first enter into God's rest, and then alone can he work moreover it was because Gods work of creation was truly compleate that Addam's life could begin with rest. and here is the gospel that God has even gone one stage ferther and even compleated the work of redemption, and that we need do nothing whatever to merit it, but can enter by faith directly into the value of his finnished work. (Watchman Nee; sit walk stand)
the first thing we must learn is this, the work is not initialy ours at all but his, our christian life begins with the descovery of what God has provided, not what we do but what he has done, most christians make the mistake of trying to work to be a christian when God did the work and the christian life is a life of faith in him not in ourself. this is how I see the sabath it is a type and shadow of that which was to come the actuality though is found in christ.
same as other days that were observed like passover it reprasents Jesus christ, same as the day of atonement which also reprasents christ, as the high priest who is a type of christ went into the most holy place which is reprasenting the santuary of heaven, there he was to present the blood before the Lord so that the Lords rightiousness would be satisfied, the day of atonement is also a sabath, LEV 16:29-31 were it was also just like I mentioned above reprasetative of the Lords work alone not our own since the people did nothing but observed what the high priest did they were told not work to denny themselves and fast because atonement was being made for them. this is a perfect example of what God expects from the christian though we see allot of people trying to reach the goals God has laid down all in there own streanth and anitative instead of realizing Jesus has done it and that man can do nothing apart from faith in his finished work.
 
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1. Therefore, it is something you are not understanding. What makes this law moral is that by keeping it, we are aknowledging that God created the heavens and the earth as well as us.. To ignore that is to ignore your existence. When you are obedient to the 4th commandment, you are showing God His due respect and morally are honoring Him as your creator and father.


But we can morally honor Him as creator and father any day of the week right?


2. The word Sabbath means "rest" so technically, the word Sabbath was in Genesis.. " And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Genesis 2:2-3 Sanctified means set apart and He set it apart for a reason... not only that...He blessed it and it is still blesssed to this day.


Yet there is no mention of any one keeping the Sabbath until Moses, not even Abraham who is our example of faith, why is that?




4. This is not true.. The 10 Commandments apply to all Christians (TEN Commandments-Not 9 Commandments) because they were written by God and spoken by God.. "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these LEAST commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matt 5:19.. If you teach pple to break the LEAST of these commands, then you will be called LEAST in Heaven.. but if you DO and TEACH others to keep the commandments, then you will be called great. Also, GOD sanctified and blessed the 7th day at creation, before there was any Jew.

Here's a question - which of the 10 commandments are the least ?


Also, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:" Hebrews 4:4-6.. The Israelites did not enter the promise land because they were disobedient..He was showing us an illustration as to what will happen to us if we are disobedient as well... Miss out on the promise land.

He's giving an illustration if we disbelieve.



He backs it up with this scripture... "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." Hebrews 4:8-11 I dont see anything in here about Jews ONLY having a Sabbath rest... instead it does say that the PEOPLE OF GOD do. Then he goes on to say, LABOUR (work) to enter into that rest or you will fall after the same example of the Israelites.. They did not make it into the promise land, instead they died in the desert.


This rest does not talk about the Sabbath. It is the rest of ceasing from our own works by entering Christ's rest by faith.


5. The Sabbath was given from God.. not Moses.. Moses didn't command the pple to keep the 7th day Sabbath... Instead the mouth of God spoke it and the hand of God wrote it.. The 4th Commandment.

Given through Moses. The 10 commandments were a covenant between God and His people the Israelites.


6. The 7th Sabbath has always (and always will be) been on the 7th day... But the ceremonial Sabbaths fell on different days according to each year.. For example, my bday is on Monday this year, but next year, it will be on a tuesday.. These changing Sabbaths included sacraficing and burnt offerings..etc which the Jews did to rid themselves of their sins...(ie guilt offering, sin offering) These feasts pointed to the coming of our Lord..Jesus

The Passover-They had to get an unspotted Lamb without defect-No bones were to be broken and sacrafice it.. Cooking it whole- Christ fulfilled this feast because He was that Lamb..without defect (sin)-No bones could be broken in His body.. Remember when they stopped the guy from breaking His legs after He died on the cross? It was according to prophecy..There is more detail, but I am just giving the surface of it..

Feast of First Fruits-They had to give up their first fruits (the fruit of their wages/crops/occupation) and there was to be a wave offering of their first fruits.-When Christ was rose on the 1st day... Some of the dead saints rose to and went about the city showing themselves.. These were the firsts fruits of Christ and they did the wave offering by showing themselves to the pple of the city. Even the day, the month, EVERYTHING is fulfilled with these feast days...

I am not listing all of the feasts but they were all shadows of things to come-Prophecy that foretold the coming of Jesus and showing us the cycle of our redemption..

Now how is the 7th day Sabbath a shadow of things to come? The 7th day sabbath shows us who God is.. The creator.. It is a commemoration of our creation.. and to abide by what God said do only shows that you aknowledge Him as the creator. This Sabbath was not the same as the Feast Sabbaths. Whenever there was a double sabbath (a ceremonial sabbath fell on the 7th day Sabbath) it was called a High Sabbath. The 7th day Sabbath did consist of sacrafices and offerings (4th commandments does not say this) but if the other Feast day sabbaths did.. There were ceremonial laws that had to take place for the cleansing of their sins..


The 7th day Sabbath or any sabbaths were shadows of the rest from our own works for salvation by faith in Christ.
I dont know how to multi quote but...

1. God finished the creating on the 7th day right? Ok, then that would be the reason why you would rest on the 7th day to commemorate the COMPLETION of creation. You may recognize that at one point you were born DAILY, but you dont celebrate/ACKNOWLEDGE it until your birthday... The same goes with the Sabbath Day. You cant commemorate something until you get to the date that marked the event..

2. God is our example right? And what did He do on the 7th day? HE RESTED....God vs. Abraham... Hmmm

3. There is no LEAST commandment.... but according to men, they may choose which ones they feel are LEAST important (SUCH AS THE SABBATH PERHAPS?)..Thats why Jesus made sure He threw that in there...for those who try to justify there actions by minimizing one of those commandments.

4. Actually, no, The law was not given THROUGH Moses..God gave them Himself DIRECTLY to the pple and WROTE them...

" These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. " Deut 5:22

It is pretty clear who wrote them and who spoke them... NOT MOSES. If you need more scripture to back that up, Id be happy to supply.

As far as them being a covenant between God and Israel, show me where that is in the Bible.. As far as I know, I am still sinning if I steal, kill, commit adultery, etc..

7. The 7th day Sabbath is NOT a shadow of Christ..There remaineth a rest for the pple of God..

"For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. " Hebrews 4:3-11

The Sabbath still stands
 
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very well put Truth 2010!
 

superdave5221

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You guys are missing the point. Keeping the Sabbath Day was important under the old covenant. Jesus kept the Sabbath during His life and ministry. He kept the law as instructed under the Mosaic covenant, but did not keep the the traditional restrictions that were placed there by the Jewish leaders, which were not required under the law. When Jesus died on the cross, the old covenant ceased to exist. Under the New Covenant, the ten commandments are fulfilled and done away with. Beginning on Pentecost, which by definition had to fall on a sunday, (being 50 days after Passover), we were instructed by the inspired Apostles to bread bread, and worship. The Apostles set the example by always meeting and worshiping, as well as breaking bread, every Lord's Day.
 
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lil-rush

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Sorry if I am repeating anything, but I pretty much didn't read a single thing y'all said, because I only have one question which has nothing to do with proving or disproving the validity of the statement that the sabbath is a ceremonial and not a moral law.

My question is: Who cares? Did God ever say a ceremonial law is less important than a moral law? Jesus said love was the most important. He did not say "moral is the most important." and he did not say "ceremonial is the most important." He said LOVE IS.

He also said "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." He did not say "If you love me, you will keep my moral commandments only." He did not say "If you love me, you will keep my ceremonial commandments only."

So, in the grand scheme of things what does it really matter? If you are saying this for the purpose of better understanding the mitvah so that you can better observe it, than that is a worthwhile question. If you are saying this so that you can be excused from keeping the mitvah than shame on you.

Now, I could go into a long diatribe about why sabbath observance is important, but I won't. I'm sure someone has already covered that in this thread (I wouldn't know, since I didn't really read it).
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Hebrews teaches us that we have entered into the sabbath rest. I celebrate the sabbath every day by faith. As for what day to meet together, the early Christians met daily and there seemed to be no instruction by the apostles for the gentile believers to worship particularly on Saturday. One other thing: what assurance do we have that our Saturday matches the seventh day of creation? Is this something that you need to be concerned with? If not, then is the issue moot?
 
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Quote from truth 2010:

"The Bible is DEEP and complex in its simplicity.. So "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Timothy 2:15-16 "


TRUTH 2010 IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN HIS POSTING!
I had even written a post to further elaborate on the subjects you had touched upon. But it was lost to faulty internet connection....NOW I'M GLAD IT WAS. IN LIGHT OF WHAT I NOW KNOW ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE, YOUR LAST STATEMENT IS THE MOST POWERFUL OF YOUR ENTIRE POST! The Bible IS deep and complex in its SIMPLICITY.

Let me explain.

Isaiah 8:22
Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 9:25-26
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

Romans 9:30-33


30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Mathew 11:28-30
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

WHAT DOES HE REALLY MEAN BY TAKING HIS YOKE UPON US AND FINDING REST UNTO OUR SOULS?


The 10 COMMANDMENTS WERE THE ONLY LAWS GOD PERSONALLY CAME DOWN TO SAY IN THE SIGHT IN ALL OF ISRAEL! They were important that they were spoken BEFORE He had them written on stone! He then placed these 10 Commandments INSIDE THE ARK! This was to show that these were ETERNAL LAWS!

Romans 7:14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

That which is spiritual lasts forever!

Wrapped smack in the middle of it is a commandment about the sabbath day!

Exodus 20:8-11
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Bottom line we know that all who is SPIRITUAL ISRAEL will recieve salvation when Yeshua comes back to reign.
But now just as in the days past we see a division of Israel!
We have Israel who through Moses, brought us the law! The commandments to FIND LIFE
AND Judah who brought us Yeshua and FAITH TO RECEIVE LIFE!

BUT BOTH HOUSES STUMBLE IN YESHUA!
YESHUA can offer us rest becaus He is in His Father's rest.

As quoted in Jeremiah, earlier "Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart."

WELL, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THIS! SPIRITUAL JUDAH AS WELL AS THOSE NATIONS MENTIONED ARE CIRCUMCISED IN THE HEART, BUT NOT IN THE FLESH!
THEY HAVE THE FAITH OF YESHUA BUT THEY WORSHIP THE CREATION! THEY TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN BY USING EMPTY TITLES SUCH AS LORD! THEY USE THE PEGAN NAME JESUS AND NOT THE NAME GIVEN TO HIM, YESHUA WHICH MEANS YHWH'S SALVATION! THEY WORSHIP A GOD THAT EVEN THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN COMPLETELY AND WRITE IT OFF AS A MYSTERY! 1+1+1=3 IN ANY LANGUAGE NO MATTER HOW YOU WANT TO TWIST IT. YESHUA STATES THAT HIS FATHER IS GREATER THAN HIM ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, EVEN IN THE LAST BOOK OF THE BIBLE! YOU CANNOT BE GREATER THAN AND EQUAL TO SOMEONE AT THE SAME TIME! AND HE NEVER, NEVER CALLED HIMSELF GOD! I DON'T CARE HOWMANY TIMES YOU TWIST 'I AM' AROUND! THE FATHER CALLED HIM GOD(GOD-KIND) BECAUSE HE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED INIQUITY. BUT HE WAS ONLY DECLARED TO BE THE SON OF GOD BY THE RESSURECTION OF THE DEAD!

SPIRITUAL ISRAEL IS CIRCUMCISED IN THE FLESH, BUT NOT IN THE HEART!
THEY KNOW THAT YESHUA IS NOT GOD ALMIGHTY BUT THEY ARE UNDER THE LAW!
WHY DO I HAVE TO WORSHIP ON THE 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK? ISN'T HE STILL GOD ON A SUNDAY, OR FOR THAT MATTER ANY DAY OF THE WEEK? IF A MAN LIVES HIS WHOLE LIFE BY THE LAW, RIGHTEOUSLY, THEN ON THE DAY HE DIES EATS A PORK CHOP, DOES THAT CONDEMN HIM TO THE FIRE? WHAT ABOUT TATTOOS OR EARINGS OR MAKEUP? WILL HE BE LEFT OUT OF THE KINGDOM? WILL ALL THOSE WHO DIDN'T GET CIRCUMCISED BY THE REMOVING OF THE FORESKIN BE JUDGED IN THE FIRE? WHAT IF I'LL LOSE MY JOB AND THE ONLY MEANS OF SUPPORTING MY FAMILY, BY TRYING TO OBEY THE WEEKLY SABBATH, WHEN I COULD EASILY GO TO WORSHIP SUNDAY OR MONDAY WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS? WHAT ABOUT SMOKING OR DRINKING? WILL I STILL BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY? REMEMBER TO BREAK THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS IS TO BE GUILTY OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!

In man's eyes, the sabbath commandment is the least of ALL the 10, But it was so important to God that He Placed it in the HEART of His Spiritual Law!
What does He mean when He says to REMEMBER!?
Does he mean that we should worship on Saturday only or is it something else!?
WELL, THE TRUE SPIRIT HAS FINALLY GIVEN ME IT'S TRUE MEANING: BUT BEFORE I EXPLAIN, KEEP THIS IN MIND:

MARK 10 13-15
And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.

14But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 15Verily I say unto you, WHOEVER SHALL NOT RECEIVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS A LITTLE CHILD, HE SHALL NOT ENTER THEREIN.

Here's the answer.... and the KEY if you have the mind of a child. To REMEMBER does NOT mean every Saturday we rest from all are works. To understand what I'm saying let's go to where it started in Genesis. I will post ALL OF CHAPTER 1:


1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


AND NOW THE BEGINNING OF CHAPTER 2:

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Did you catch it? Look closely at it with the MIND OF A CHILD!!!!
I am here to today to proclaim what God has proclaimed to me that.....
THE...SEVENTH...DAY...NEVER...ENDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are STILL in God's seventh Day!
The man or adam created on the sixth day is PLURAL! He created both male and female on the sixth day!
The man or adam described AFTER the sixth day was SINGULAR!
To be Holy means to be Set Apart. This man was FORMED on the day that God rested from His Work!
Being formed on the seventh day meant he was also set apart from the sixth day work week of God! I won't get into many more details as of yet as I am also learning of this MOST INCREDIBLE TRUTH, but for now, heres proof!

Genesis 2:9-19
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

On the sixth day the beasts and the fowl were created BEFORE ADAM (MANKIND). He also NEVER GAVE A COMMAND TO THIS ADAM (MANKIND)
GENESIS 1:26-28
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

At this point in creation Adam (mankind) was only given dominion over every living thing that moves on the earth.

The Adam (man) made in the seventh day was given FIRST a commandment!

Genesis 2:16-17
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God then FORMS beasts and the fowl of the air for Adam to name: chapter 2:19

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The Adam made on the seventh day, became subjected to the creation he was set apart from when he transgressed God's commandment. Thus he brought sin into the world and death by it! But the new Adam (Yeshua), also set apart by being born of the Spirit, But under the law because He was also born of a woman, freed us from the law By dying... still apart from the creation! Thus He, the perfecter of our faith is able to make intercession for us!

TRULY HIS BURDEN IS LIGHT IF WE WOULD REALIZE WHAT THE SABBATH REALLY IS!!!

MARK 2:23-28
23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.

24And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH: 28Therefore the Son of man is LORD also of the sabbath.
 
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Romans 14
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.
8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written:
“ As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
 
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Romans 14
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.
8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written:
“ As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

I totally AGREE with you. It doesn't matter what day you go to church. Or if a person eats nothing but berries his entire life while another eats ham. What I'm saying is that the stumbling stone of the Law is the Sabbath. We always believed that Because God created the world in 6 days and rested on the seventh, that we should also rested on the seventh. But who's 6 days are God talking about in that commandment? I am certain that the commandment is NOT about a Saturday rest! If you read Genesis, in where God created the world, every day ended with "and the evening and the morning were the (1st-6th) day." The seventh day only states that He rested IN IT! It never says it ended! We assume that when He mentions the days of creation, that it ended because we look at it as literal days! They are not. God Did NOT create in 6 literal days. And it we realize that THIS is still His Sabbath day, then what paul says makes sense not only by faith, but Lawfully as well. I used to stumble in the fact that I work every Saturday . If I tell my employer that I can no longer work from Friday, sundown to Saturday sundown, I would very much lose my job. My family has to eat and I have to provide a roof over their heads but now in my mind, I put something else BEFORE God! By stumbling in the 4th commandment, I was under the Law, and by being under the Law I was under sin!

Exodus 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

sanc·ti·fy (s
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tr.v. sanc·ti·fied, sanc·ti·fy·ing, sanc·ti·fies 1. To set apart for sacred use; consecrate.
2. To make holy; purify.
3. To give religious sanction to, as with an oath or vow: sanctify a marriage.
4. To give social or moral sanction to.
5. To make productive of holiness or spiritual blessing.

By the letter of the law, it was all but impossible to keep. You couldn't even walk far without it being considered work. But by the spirit of the law, this is STILL His weekly Sabbath day! Now High Sabbaths I'm still learning but I am CONFIDENT that this is what is meant by keeping the weekly sabbath. God is God on everyday. If I can go to church on a Sunday now I can go without my conscious convicting me. I have now entered into His Sabbath Day. I am not convicted of eating pork or any other law added because of transgression.
 

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Funny thing about commandments, the commandments given at that mountain were given 3 times. Once verbally, once when God's hand engraved the tablets, and once when Moses engraved the tablets. Jesus gave a new commandment, 3 times, in His talk to His followers just before He was taken into custody. He said for us to love one another even as He has loved us. The Spirit says that the old commandment has passed away, along with its priesthood, because those could not make anything perfect. A new priesthood and a new commandment has come. A better way has been brought into existence which is of and by and for God, by His Spirit in us shedding abroad His love through us.
 
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