REBUIDING THE THIRD SOLOMON`S TEMPLE

[KennethC]

If the A.O.D. has already been fulfilled as you are trying to say then the Lord's second coming would have already happened, and we would be either in or past His millennial reign. For the A.O.D. takes place 1,260 days before the Lord's return.

The scriptures make this clear as time times and half a time, 1,260 days, and 42 months is all the same length in the Jewish calendar. 3 1/2 years.............

Ken, you are the one who ignores the words of God and by trying to say the AOD is not yet fulfilled, and the Temple to be destroyed is yet future, with the coming of the Prince of this world yet future, with the coming of a man called Antichrist yet future. This is false doctrine, and the doctrine of carnally minded men. I have given you multiple verses of scripture to prove this doctrine is false.

Again Ken notice what Temple the apostles and Jesus were looking at with their own eyes, when Jesus went on to tell them of AOD prophesied by Daniel and the destruction of the Temple they were looking at.

Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the AOD and destruction of the temple, but also about the end of the world.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now to Luke's account.

Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

 

[SolidGround]

The passage in Galatians has nothing to do with Judaism, it has to do with being in spiritual bondage under the Mosaic Law.

Jews and Arabs are not the same spiritually, they are Semetic peoples but spiritually they are not the same.

But how do you know this?
Does the Word tell you this? Then show the verse.
Does experience tell you this? Explain the experience.

Does your theological structure given to you by your denomination tell you this?
...well this of course is the root of your understanding,
whether or not you know the label of your theological structure:
the acceptance/assumption of Judaism having a spiritual differential from Islam,
and creating a spiritual wall between Jews and other Middle Eastern groups,
prove that you do have, and follow, a theological structure. Likely Dispensationalism.

I do not like singling you out. It burdens me to do so. But you are the only one responding to me, and thus I am responding back.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If the A.O.D. has already been fulfilled as you are trying to say then the Lord's second coming would have already happened, and we would be either in or past His millennial reign. For the A.O.D. takes place 1,260 days before the Lord's return.

The scriptures make this clear as time times and half a time, 1,260 days, and 42 months is all the same length in the Jewish calendar. 3 1/2 years.............

I didn't say the Lords second coming has already happened, you just cannot comprehend the time just might be symbolic of time, and do not understand what a sign of time means. LOL I gave you proof before why that 1,260 days cannot be discerned as literal time, but rather a symbolism of time like the 70 weeks of Daniel was not a literal 490 days but was symbolic of time in years. Here is why the time must be symbolic of time, I gave you all the pieces here to see it cannot possibly be a literal amount of time as you think it to be.

Many believe the 42 months mentioned in Revelation should be taken literally, like a literal 3 and a half year tribulation period. But I believe the 42 months is a sign (symbolism) of time which should be spiritually discerned.

Let’s look at why this 42 months, or 1,260 days is not a literal 3 and half years, but is rather symbolic of time. In Revelation 12:5-6 we read “[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (1,260 days or 42 months)

Most would agree this verse is speaking about the birth of Jesus Christ, and his being caught up to God, and the woman being the sign of the spiritual Israel, because these are those who “ have the testimony of Jesus Christ” as seen in Rev. 12:17.
But no matter who you believe the woman represents, the timing of when she fled into the wilderness is shown to be right after the “man-child” Jesus was caught up to God and to His throne.”

This time is confirmed again here in Revelation 12:14 “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time and, from the face of the serpent.” So now we have this same 1,260 days also shown as “time, times, and half a time” which is also mentioned in the book of Daniel 12:7.

This prophecy given to Daniel had to do with a “time of trouble such as the world has never seen” (Daniel 12:1) Which Jesus also mentioned in Matthew 24:21 concerning the great tribulation following right after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad. And this time period would run all the way to the redemption of Gods people as Daniel was also told in Daniel chapter 12… “at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book of Life.”

And then there is mention of the resurrection as mentioned here in Daniel 12:2 “[SUP]2 [/SUP]And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

Then this time is confirmed in Daniel 12:7 “[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

So according to the word of the Lord, all those things mentioned to Daniel shall be finished in that same time period.
Now let’s look at how this time period is also shown as the same amount of time given to the fullness of the Gentiles.
Jesus spoke of “after the tribulation of those days” in accordance with the tribulation period of the Jews as it also relates the fullness of the Gentiles. (“that all things which are written may be fulfilled” Luke 21:22)

In Luke 21:24 Jesus says “ And they(Jews) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

So how long was the times of the Gentiles? Well, were given that time as well in scripture.

Revelation 11:2 “But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This confirms the Gentile ingathering period, the tribulation of those days, and all those things being fulfilled as listed in the book of Daniel could not possibly be a literal 42 months, or 1,260 days, but rather it is a sign of time.
We also know by Paul’s words that this time of the Gentiles being fulfilled would be marked by ungodliness being removed from Jacob.

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

And finally one more confirmation that this 1,260 days is symbolic is found in Daniel 12:10-13 “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (1,290 days)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.(1,335 days)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

We know by Jesus’ words, scripture, and history when the abomination of desolation was set up, and when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. And by these verses above, and the numbers of days given to the end above, that the 42 months, or 1,260 days cannot possibly be a literal amount of time, but rather symbolic.

Be not deceived.

 

[KennethC]

I didn't say the Lords second coming has already happened, you just cannot comprehend the time just might be symbolic of time, and do not understand what a sign of time means. LOL I gave you proof before why that 1,260 days cannot be discerned as literal time, but rather a symbolism of time like the 70 weeks of Daniel was not a literal 490 days but was symbolic of time in years. Here is why the time must be symbolic of time, I gave you all the pieces here to see it cannot possibly be a literal amount of time as you think it to be.

Many believe the 42 months mentioned in Revelation should be taken literally, like a literal 3 and a half year tribulation period. But I believe the 42 months is a sign (symbolism) of time which should be spiritually discerned.

Let’s look at why this 42 months, or 1,260 days is not a literal 3 and half years, but is rather symbolic of time. In Revelation 12:5-6 we read “[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (1,260 days or 42 months)

Most would agree this verse is speaking about the birth of Jesus Christ, and his being caught up to God, and the woman being the sign of the spiritual Israel, because these are those who “ have the testimony of Jesus Christ” as seen in Rev. 12:17.
But no matter who you believe the woman represents, the timing of when she fled into the wilderness is shown to be right after the “man-child” Jesus was caught up to God and to His throne.”

This time is confirmed again here in Revelation 12:14 “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time and, from the face of the serpent.” So now we have this same 1,260 days also shown as “time, times, and half a time” which is also mentioned in the book of Daniel 12:7.

This prophecy given to Daniel had to do with a “time of trouble such as the world has never seen” (Daniel 12:1) Which Jesus also mentioned in Matthew 24:21 concerning the great tribulation following right after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad. And this time period would run all the way to the redemption of Gods people as Daniel was also told in Daniel chapter 12… “at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book of Life.”

And then there is mention of the resurrection as mentioned here in Daniel 12:2 “[SUP]2 [/SUP]And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

Then this time is confirmed in Daniel 12:7 “[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

So according to the word of the Lord, all those things mentioned to Daniel shall be finished in that same time period.
Now let’s look at how this time period is also shown as the same amount of time given to the fullness of the Gentiles.
Jesus spoke of “after the tribulation of those days” in accordance with the tribulation period of the Jews as it also relates the fullness of the Gentiles. (“that all things which are written may be fulfilled” Luke 21:22)

In Luke 21:24 Jesus says “ And they(Jews) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

So how long was the times of the Gentiles? Well, were given that time as well in scripture.

Revelation 11:2 “But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This confirms the Gentile ingathering period, the tribulation of those days, and all those things being fulfilled as listed in the book of Daniel could not possibly be a literal 42 months, or 1,260 days, but rather it is a sign of time.
We also know by Paul’s words that this time of the Gentiles being fulfilled would be marked by ungodliness being removed from Jacob.

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

And finally one more confirmation that this 1,260 days is symbolic is found in Daniel 12:10-13 “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (1,290 days)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.(1,335 days)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

We know by Jesus’ words, scripture, and history when the abomination of desolation was set up, and when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. And by these verses above, and the numbers of days given to the end above, that the 42 months, or 1,260 days cannot possibly be a literal amount of time, but rather symbolic.

Be not deceived.

Problem with your study of bible prophecy is this, you absolutely said nothing about the Jews and their culture on how they look at these time frames in passage. The prophecies were given to Jews first, and written by Jews, and therefore are done in the concepts that they understood and used.

Therefore you must go to how they use dating and time frames, and go by how they use their calendar.
By the Jewish calendar you can easily see that 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days. You can not avoid their calendar when understanding those scriptures, or you will always come to and say the false conclusion they can not be literal.

Daniels 70 weeks prophecy is one of those as well that when you compare it to events in history you will see the first 69 weeks was a total of 483 years. Which is where we get from Jewish history and calculating that a prophetic week is 7 years. Therefore if the first 69 weeks were 7 years for each week, then the final 70th week must also be a period of 7 years.

Once again the A.O.D. was not done in 70 A.D. as the Roman army destroyed the temple by defying the words of the Emperor Titus, and the A.O.D. was not set up by him during this destruction of the temple. The only point that was fulfilled in 70 A.D. was Daniel 9:26 on the city and temple being destroyed. Daniel chapters 11 and 12 shows the A.O.D. comes later after that event, as these chapters refer to the tribulation period.

 

[SolidGround]

Problem with your study of bible prophecy is this, you absolutely said nothing about the Jews and their culture on how they look at these time frames in passage. The prophecies were given to Jews first, and written by Jews, and therefore are done in the concepts that they understood and used.

Therefore you must go to how they use dating and time frames, and go by how they use their calendar.
By the Jewish calendar you can easily see that 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days. You can not avoid their calendar when understanding those scriptures, or you will always come to and say the false conclusion they can not be literal.

Daniels 70 weeks prophecy is one of those as well that when you compare it to events in history you will see the first 69 weeks was a total of 483 years. Which is where we get from Jewish history and calculating that a prophetic week is 7 years. Therefore if the first 69 weeks were 7 years for each week, then the final 70th week must also be a period of 7 years.

Once again the A.O.D. was not done in 70 A.D. as the Roman army destroyed the temple by defying the words of the Emperor Titus, and the A.O.D. was not set up by him during this destruction of the temple. The only point that was fulfilled in 70 A.D. was Daniel 9:26 on the city and temple being destroyed. Daniel chapters 11 and 12 shows the A.O.D. comes later after that event, as these chapters refer to the tribulation period.

I agree that these things did not happen in 70ad.... but disagree that the "A.O.D." is not here now.
The physical Temple was ALWAYS a symbol and shadow. It was NEVER the true Temple.
There is no future Temple to come upon the Earth that is outside of the Church. The dwelling place of God is within His People, and He will not be removed from that place.
That prophecy in Daniel deals with the Church, not a building. It deals with Apostacy, just like the book of Revelation.


I see much of the debate points surrounding times and places as being very off-point.
Israel is a fluid nation.
It is not concrete, even though at times it has been stagnant.
It is not always a place, but it is always a people. Sometimes it was a place, but the place was always known to be a temporary stand, as a concession, with it's true migration being to the Land Promised to Abraham: a Kingdom built, not by human hands. A better Land. A Heavenly Land. The Heavenly Kingdom. The Kingdom of God.

Citizenship of this Land has rule and order. The Law of Moses made these regulations clear. Jesus further clarified the rules that were already given.
If one born into Israel does not have Faith (displayed by faithfulness, but not produced by works), they are no longer Israel,
and their children are not considered born into Israel, but are born Gentiles.

The lineage of Christ was one of bloodline AND Faith. None of His ancestry were unsaved. Did you realize that before? Look through His genealogy, and try to find a faithless one. None can be found.
That is why He alone IS Israel (at least one of the reasons).
And why He is the Jew. And He is the Chosen One.
If one is not in Christ, then they are not what Christ is. They cannot be Israel. They cannot be a Jew. They cannot be one of God's Chosen People. They are cast outside the Camp.
The prophecies concerning Israel are not for them.

Citizenship is by seed of Faith, not seed of loin. Many times the two are one-in-the-same, but not always.
There are not 2 parallel People of God, but One. And in Christ, we are made One.

 

[KennethC]

I agree that these things did not happen in 70ad.... but disagree that the "A.O.D." is not here now.
The physical Temple was ALWAYS a symbol and shadow. It was NEVER the true Temple.
There is no future Temple to come upon the Earth that is outside of the Church. The dwelling place of God is within His People, and He will not be removed from that place.
The prophecy in Daniel deals with the Church, not a building. It deals with Apostacy, just like the book of Revelation.


I see much of the debate points surrounding times and places as being very off-point.
Israel is a fluid nation.
It is not concrete, even though at times it has been stagnant.
It is not always a place, but it is always a people. Sometimes it was a place, but the place was always known to be a temporary stand, as a concession, with it's true migration being to the Land Promised to Abraham: a Kingdom built, not by human hands. A better Land. A Heavenly Land. The Heavenly Kingdom. The Kingdom of God.

Citizenship of this Land has rule and order. The Law of Moses made these regulations clear. Jesus further clarified the rules that were already given.
If one born into Israel does not have Faith (displayed by faithfulness, but not produced by works), they are no longer Israel,
and their children are not considered born into Israel, but are born Gentiles.

The lineage of Christ was one of bloodline AND Faith. None of His ancestry were unsaved. Did you realize that before? Look through His genealogy, and try to find a faithless one. None can be found.
That is why He alone IS Israel (at least one of the reasons).
And why He is the Jew. And He is the Chosen One.
If one is not in Christ, then they are not what Christ is. They cannot be Israel. They cannot be a Jew. They cannot be one of God's Chosen People. They are cast outside the Camp.
The prophecies concerning Israel are not for them.

Citizenship is by seed of Faith, not seed of loin. Many times the two are one-in-the-same, but not always.
There are not 2 parallel People of God, but One. And in Christ, we are made One.

Then explain Ezekiel's millennial temple ???

The description of this temple given to Ezekiel by God that will be built does not match any of the previous temples that have existed, nor is it talking about the body of believers. If a temple will not be rebuilt then the one in Ezekiel and then the one mentioned in Revelation 11 should not have been mentioned. And God if He says something will be built, it will be built !!!

 

[SolidGround]

Then explain Ezekiel's millennial temple ???

The description of this temple given to Ezekiel by God that will be built does not match any of the previous temples that have existed, nor is it talking about the body of believers. If a temple will not be rebuilt then the one in Ezekiel and then the one mentioned in Revelation 11 should not have been mentioned. And God if He says something will be built, it will be built !!!

Christ will build it, not infidels.
Do you really think that the Temple shown in Ezekiel is built by human hands?
The Temple is being built NOW, out of Living Stones,
to be made manifest at the Return of Christ to reign... Not before.

 

[SolidGround]

Will unbelievers build the "millennial Temple"?
How does that fit?

 

[KennethC]

Christ will build it, not infidels.
Do you really think that the Temple shown in Ezekiel is built by human hands?
The Temple is being built NOW, out of Living Stones,
to be made manifest at the Return of Christ to reign... Not before.

The temple mentioned in Ezekiel once again is not us believers as you want to allude to...........

It is an actual physical building that they have already made the blue prints for based on the dimensions given in that book.
Revelation 11:1-2 also shows a physical temple building, even though some want to deny this, scriptures 1-13 in this chapter show these things and events are here on earth !!!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Problem with your study of bible prophecy is this, you absolutely said nothing about the Jews and their culture on how they look at these time frames in passage. The prophecies were given to Jews first, and written by Jews, and therefore are done in the concepts that they understood and used.

Therefore you must go to how they use dating and time frames, and go by how they use their calendar.
By the Jewish calendar you can easily see that 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days. You can not avoid their calendar when understanding those scriptures, or you will always come to and say the false conclusion they can not be literal.

Daniels 70 weeks prophecy is one of those as well that when you compare it to events in history you will see the first 69 weeks was a total of 483 years. Which is where we get from Jewish history and calculating that a prophetic week is 7 years. Therefore if the first 69 weeks were 7 years for each week, then the final 70th week must also be a period of 7 years.

Once again the A.O.D. was not done in 70 A.D. as the Roman army destroyed the temple by defying the words of the Emperor Titus, and the A.O.D. was not set up by him during this destruction of the temple. The only point that was fulfilled in 70 A.D. was Daniel 9:26 on the city and temple being destroyed. Daniel chapters 11 and 12 shows the A.O.D. comes later after that event, as these chapters refer to the tribulation period.

LOL! Nonsense. There is no set of rules for how God might want to symbolize time or symbolize any other part of scripture for that matter. It is the Holy Spirit that gives understanding into the spiritual words of God, not men or Jewish calendars. But once again I give you scriptural proof of why things are so, but you just give more excuses and here say proving nothing by scripture. You are judging things based on outward appearances, and through the eyes of flesh, that is what the natural man does because that is what he knows to do naturally. (carnally minded)

You are so persuaded by that doctrine of men that you are willing to ignore the words of Jesus and the apostles to make that false doctrine fit somewhere, somehow into the unknown distant future. You've been deceived into thinking that the AOD has not yet been fulfilled, the Prince of this world has not yet been cast out of heaven to earth, and the antichrist spirit is really a single man figure yet to come and sit in some distant temple, called the "Temple of God."

All these points you hold fast to I've shown are in error according to the words of God, and I can assure you those ideas of yours are not from the Holy Spirit but from other like minded men.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation 11:1-2 also shows a physical temple building, even though some want to deny this, scriptures 1-13 in this chapter show these things and events are here on earth !!!

You've already been shown by scripture that the Temple of Rev 11:1 is in Heaven. But you ignore all kinds of scripture to try promote the false doctrine of men. Why?

Here it is again Ken.....

The Temple of God which John measured in Rev 11 is in HEAVEN. Scripture makes this very clear....

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
...................where is the Temple of God? follow to verse 19 ......................[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

Did you see it that time Ken?

 

[flob]

The temple of God in heaven. Revelation 11. 1 and 19.
heaven is in 1, 12, 15-19.
earth is in 2-14.
The 'court which is outside the temple cast out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles and they will trample the holy city for 42 months' refers to the city of Jerusalem and The Tribulation.
Mt 24:15-31; Lk 21:24

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The temple of God in heaven. Revelation 11. 1 and 19.
heaven is in 1, 12, 15-19.
earth is in 2-14.
The 'court which is outside the temple cast out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles and they will trample the holy city for 42 months' refers to the city of Jerusalem and The Tribulation.
Mt 24:15-31; Lk 21:24

And the great tribulation started when Jesus said it would right after the destruction of the Temple him and the apostles were looking at with their own eyes, not some future imaginary temple.

Matthew 24:21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

And the Gentiles have been trampling under foot Jerusalem ever since 70 ad, so that is a loooooonnnnnnngggggggg 42 months. Just as the Gentile ingathering period is the same loooooooooonnnnnnnnggggg 42 months. LOL

 

[KennethC]

You've already been shown by scripture that the Temple of Rev 11:1 is in Heaven. But you ignore all kinds of scripture to try promote the false doctrine of men. Why?

Here it is again Ken.....

The Temple of God which John measured in Rev 11 is in HEAVEN. Scripture makes this very clear....

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
...................where is the Temple of God? follow to verse 19 ......................[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

Did you see it that time Ken?

No it does not say that temple is in heaven, for it clearly says in verse 2 it is in Jerusalem.............And not the New Jerusalem!!!

 

[KennethC]

The temple of God in heaven. Revelation 11. 1 and 19.
heaven is in 1, 12, 15-19.
earth is in 2-14.
The 'court which is outside the temple cast out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles and they will trample the holy city for 42 months' refers to the city of Jerusalem and The Tribulation.
Mt 24:15-31; Lk 21:24

The temple and its outer court in verses 1 and 2 are both in Jerusalem, there is absolutely nothing that places it in heaven.
Not even verse 19 as John sees that after those events on the earth are shown to him, as verse one is the earthly temple and verse 19 is the heavenly temple that opens up so that the Lord comes down to earth.

 

[KennethC]

No it does not say that temple is in heaven, for it clearly says in verse 2 it is in Jerusalem.............And not the New Jerusalem!!!

Plus I wanted to add you do realize that both the first and second temples here on earth from Solomon and Herod were both called the temple of God also. Highlighted those parts in scripture does not prove a thing, as even Jesus called the earthly temple the house of God.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No it does not say that temple is in heaven, for it clearly says in verse 2 it is in Jerusalem.............And not the New Jerusalem!!!

You flat out reject the words of God Ken. Verse 2 is about the court outside of the temple in heaven.

Revelation 11:2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

You are going to great lengths, even denying the words of God to promote the false doctrines of carnally minded men.

 

[KennethC]

You flat out reject the words of God Ken. Verse 2 is about the court outside of the temple in heaven.

Revelation 11:2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

You are going to great lengths, even denying the words of God to promote the false doctrines of carnally minded men.

I am not rejecting nothing and you once again are misusing carnal minded;

Revelation 11:2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

The holy city mentioned here is the earthly Jerusalem, not the New Jerusalem that does not come tell the end...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I am not rejecting nothing and you once again are misusing carnal minded;

Revelation 11:2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

The holy city mentioned here is the earthly Jerusalem, not the New Jerusalem that does not come tell the end...

Yes, there are 2 Jerusalem's as Paul confirmed, one is earthly and one is heavenly. Now find out where the "Temple of God" in heaven is.

Here is a clue...

Psalm 11:4
The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 11:19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 14:17
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Revelation 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Revelation 16:17
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Wash, rinse, repeat until clean.

 

[SolidGround]

The Temple upon the earth is the Church, as the Body of Christ, and the Dwelling Place of God, as the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

The prophecy in Revelation is for the Church, not for a group of people in a future 7 year time period. It lays out the path of the Church, and the "End Game".

There will be no future 7 years of structured judgements culminating in a predictable chronological fashion. That contradicts what the Word says about judgement coming swiftly and without warning upon the whole earth! The structure is NOW, and is laid out in Scripture.

Read the Word for what the Spirit applies to you in your life. If it is merely a plotline for a future generation, then it is NOT useful to you... which means that your view of Revelation contradicts what the Word says about itself and it's own usefulness to the Church.
Are you following?, or too deep into Dispensationalism to hear the Word?