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Grace does not teach we are free to sin. It teaches that without Christ, no one could be saved. because we can never ever as long as we live be good enough to deserve salvation. nor could we ever make up for the sin we have already committed.
The penalty of sin is death. It is not going to church, obeying the law. Doing religious ceremonies or works. etc etc. We can do all these things a million times, and will still be dead in our sin, because those things can not make up for our sin debt. Only death Can.
This is the gospel. he who knew no sin, was made sin for us that we MIGHT be made the righteousness of God in him.
Legalism teaches Christ's death is not enough. We must help God by stopping sin, Doing religious ceremonies or whatever one thinks needs to be done to "earn" ones salvation. Yet grace teaches we can never earn it.
Licentiousness teaches grace is a license to sin. This is false also. and comes from a lack of repentance. and is gaining strength in todays society.
Grace does not stop us from sin, It stops us from being judged because of our sin. Once we have received Grace, God teaches us to stop sin, as we are chastened by the HS and learn Gods ways. We can not do this on our own. It would be, and is, foolish to think you can ever stop sin. Grace teaches when we do mess up (and we will) God loves us and forgives us, based on Christ's death, not on our works.
if your trying to work to earn your salvation. Your work will be for nought. because the only sacrifice god accepts is Christ's death.
The penalty of sin is death. It is not going to church, obeying the law. Doing religious ceremonies or works. etc etc. We can do all these things a million times, and will still be dead in our sin, because those things can not make up for our sin debt. Only death Can.
This is the gospel. he who knew no sin, was made sin for us that we MIGHT be made the righteousness of God in him.
Legalism teaches Christ's death is not enough. We must help God by stopping sin, Doing religious ceremonies or whatever one thinks needs to be done to "earn" ones salvation. Yet grace teaches we can never earn it.
Licentiousness teaches grace is a license to sin. This is false also. and comes from a lack of repentance. and is gaining strength in todays society.
Grace does not stop us from sin, It stops us from being judged because of our sin. Once we have received Grace, God teaches us to stop sin, as we are chastened by the HS and learn Gods ways. We can not do this on our own. It would be, and is, foolish to think you can ever stop sin. Grace teaches when we do mess up (and we will) God loves us and forgives us, based on Christ's death, not on our works.
if your trying to work to earn your salvation. Your work will be for nought. because the only sacrifice god accepts is Christ's death.
This is very well put, thanks EG 
all we can do is what we were put here for; And that IS to Witness to those that don't Know, That the way to Get Over Death (GOD) Now is written in Moses & The Prophet's and Confirmed in and through Christ and The Apostle's.
You either Beleive in The Ressurection & Ascenstion or You Don't.
But NEVER Forget why He gave His Life; So that WE being the sinners that WE ALL ARE, So we can enter in past the veil, and speak to The Father of Life Himself, and bet HIM KNOW, that YES FATHER; I CARE!
These are The Prayers that are Bottled in Heaven
Forever in Christ
all we can do is what we were put here for; And that IS to Witness to those that don't Know, That the way to Get Over Death (GOD) Now is written in Moses & The Prophet's and Confirmed in and through Christ and The Apostle's.You either Beleive in The Ressurection & Ascenstion or You Don't.
But NEVER Forget why He gave His Life; So that WE being the sinners that WE ALL ARE, So we can enter in past the veil, and speak to The Father of Life Himself, and bet HIM KNOW, that YES FATHER; I CARE!
These are The Prayers that are Bottled in Heaven
Forever in Christ
I see you condemn Americans in your post... Just like Pharisees condemned Samaritans. Maybe you should check your own fruit in the mirror. The last time I checked Romans 3:23 still said "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God". God bless you & I will pray for you. Know that if you have works, even those works are by the grace of God, or have you forgotten Ephesians 2:8 & 9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
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I see you condemn Americans in your post... Just like Pharisees condemned Samaritans. Maybe you should check your own fruit in the mirror. The last time I checked Romans 3:23 still said "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God". God bless you & I will pray for you. Know that if you have works, even those works are by the grace of God, or have you forgotten Ephesians 2:8 & 9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
desertjoe, i feel its not being condemning of america but an observation to where alot of doctrines of man originate from that spreads.
there are many scriptures on how we ought to walk in His righteousness, sound teaching, doctrine.
as soon as one mentions doing as we are instructed, gets turned to its works based salvation, which isnt,God has empowered us to overcome the things contrary to God, we just need to humble ourselves and acknowledge the areas God would like to change in us.
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I would like to show you the power of one word in a sentance..... Let us use one verse and change one word in the verse and you will see how easely we teach false doctrine..... Take the second part of 1 John 2:1...
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Should we change the word IF to WHEN that will mean that all would sin AFTER they becasme new creatures! But if the word IF remains it is not all who would sin! It is actually suggesting the minority would sin then, and that it suggests even that they would also stop! If any MAN sin... look it is also in singular form!
IF means IF I sin, and when is like when will I sin? If is the right word becasue God has holy men here on earth FOR HIS GLORY! The Glory God bestow on holy Men is HIS SPIRIT, and in Him is NO SIN! Nothing you say can change that! Millions tried to proove that perfection is unobtainable, but forHGod ANYTHIN is possible, even perfect people on earth! That is why God says for Him EVERYTHING is possible... Matthew 19:26. And that is why Jesus said.. BE PERFECT EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT!
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Should we change the word IF to WHEN that will mean that all would sin AFTER they becasme new creatures! But if the word IF remains it is not all who would sin! It is actually suggesting the minority would sin then, and that it suggests even that they would also stop! If any MAN sin... look it is also in singular form!
IF means IF I sin, and when is like when will I sin? If is the right word becasue God has holy men here on earth FOR HIS GLORY! The Glory God bestow on holy Men is HIS SPIRIT, and in Him is NO SIN! Nothing you say can change that! Millions tried to proove that perfection is unobtainable, but forHGod ANYTHIN is possible, even perfect people on earth! That is why God says for Him EVERYTHING is possible... Matthew 19:26. And that is why Jesus said.. BE PERFECT EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT!
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I've changed. I had to give up my one night stands, my daily pot ritual, my swearing, my cursing, my vain imaginations, my arrogance, my horiscopes, and telling people to go to hell. Was getting too old for all that anyway. So I would hate to think that it was all for nothing, cause I really enjoyed all those things. Especially my pot. Made me feel spiritual, but realised I couldn't afford it anymore and it was making me dumber. I really want to give up my job too and live on the dole. That way I can read more.
Anyway. Just wanted to share that with you. I feel good now that I'm not drinking as well. But I wont give up my cigarettes, never. That's not a sin. It's my time out. People kill emselves with food. You know all that sugar and bad fat causing high blood pressure & diabetes, and not to forget all those dangerous cancer causing chemicals. They give that stuff to kids and babies and old people too. They are just hypocrites. I hope you don't think i'm teasing. I agree with what you say. You gotta just do it for Christ, bite the bullet, leave that old life behind. Start a new life. live clean. I'm not sure if this thing will go through, I don't know how to use it properly. If it does I'll be really embarrassed.
Anyway. Just wanted to share that with you. I feel good now that I'm not drinking as well. But I wont give up my cigarettes, never. That's not a sin. It's my time out. People kill emselves with food. You know all that sugar and bad fat causing high blood pressure & diabetes, and not to forget all those dangerous cancer causing chemicals. They give that stuff to kids and babies and old people too. They are just hypocrites. I hope you don't think i'm teasing. I agree with what you say. You gotta just do it for Christ, bite the bullet, leave that old life behind. Start a new life. live clean. I'm not sure if this thing will go through, I don't know how to use it properly. If it does I'll be really embarrassed.
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Do you truly follow Christ?
Then you are not American.
You are a spiritual Jew.
Go to another country and see the infiltration of the many contradictory American born doctrines sprouting up.
It is shameful.
Are they truly Christian?
They seem too money orientated for that.
The last time I checked Romans 3:23 still said "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God". God bless you & I will pray for you. Know that if you have works, even those works are by the grace of God, or have you forgotten Ephesians 2:8 & 9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
Why go personal?
I am attacking the many doctrines that all contradict with each other coming out of America.
Why ask about my walk?
It is not about you, it is not about me, it is about America spreading confusion.
And guess what?
My country is wicked too...so is England...Canada...China etc etc etc etc.
But it is America which is spreading all these strange religions.
Listen to the message please.
We are spiritual Jews....drop the nationalism.
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Bahahahaha........Me too.........ME too......honesty is a virtue.....love it !!!!
Tsk, tsk....LOL...horoscopes seem to be a girly thing thankfully...(chuckle)
Well done sister...i hear you.
I did that for 3 years..dole for one year...by the grace of God for the other two...but i learnt so so much...night and day...every book of the bible inside out...you get an amazing grasp of the whole picture when sacrificing your wants and concentrating on the Lord.....But i must say, try to keep working..part time at least...you will eat better
Tsk, tsk....LOL...horoscopes seem to be a girly thing thankfully...(chuckle)
Well done sister...i hear you.
I did that for 3 years..dole for one year...by the grace of God for the other two...but i learnt so so much...night and day...every book of the bible inside out...you get an amazing grasp of the whole picture when sacrificing your wants and concentrating on the Lord.....But i must say, try to keep working..part time at least...you will eat better
I really really enjoyed this post...
God bless your honesty.
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Ha Ha very funny. Love to have sum guy support me then I won"t have to go on the dole! But no thanks. I didn't join the christian dating site did I? Gee I better go back and check. Just want to talk about all the stuff in the good book. My neighbour is an old man, and has gone blind. I help him with his shopping, and make sure he's ok. He's very old, and you know, blind, hard for him. He always gets me to read stuff from the bible to him. His daughter told him about this site, and he's hooked. Now he want's me to read all the posts to him. He rings me up, "when are you coming over" It's so funny. It's like a reality show for him, only you can't see their faces. He gets so angry and worked up. I tell him settle down old man, people only let you see what they want you see, but true colours come out in the end. Anyway he likes you. And I've been doing this for months now for him, and I actually, hate to admit but enjoy it. He gets me to look up things in the bible and checks things out. He's real smart. Knows where to tell me to find it but scares me half to death when he yells out from the top of his lungs "error" or "hypocrite" I nearly fall off my chair. But now I'm really curious, and I have lots and lots of questions so I joined up and here I am wolla. I pray everyday now and my thinking is different. something has changed in me and it feels good. I always believed, but loved a good party. Now when I read from the good book to him I go crap, God's talking about me, better get my act together. I get so scared sometimes I just cry and say Sorry God, Sorry God. I've been a bad. Make me good. I wanna you to be proud of me. I wanna change for you. Change everything wrong I ever did.
Keep chatting to me, cause I got no friends here. I'm new. I dont know how to use this thing properly either. I have lots of questions. And I wanna see if the old man is right about stuff.
Keep chatting to me, cause I got no friends here. I'm new. I dont know how to use this thing properly either. I have lots of questions. And I wanna see if the old man is right about stuff.
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Yes we should all aim for perfection as best as we can as to what the Lord has given us.
Keep running that race.
Romans 14:5
One man esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is SUFFICIENT for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Thank you Cobus.
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NO.
Not one bit.
Never have.
I believe works are the result of the Spirit given from Christ.
So the works are the natural change that comes when obeying Christ.
If we don't change, then those works stay what they were before we were changed by that Spirit and we are still dirty and in our sins.
It is that Spirit that is changing us.
So all the glory still goes to God.
Not us.
But through us, that Spirit works the works.
If one is a selfish person, his works will be self centered.
If one is nasty, his works will be nasty.
If one follows Christ, his works become Christ like and acceptable.
It all comes from Christ.
NOT of ourselves.
That was the Jews downfall.
Grace and works go hand in hand.
All from Christ and for Christ.
Not of our own doing.
Not one bit.
Never have.
I believe works are the result of the Spirit given from Christ.
So the works are the natural change that comes when obeying Christ.
If we don't change, then those works stay what they were before we were changed by that Spirit and we are still dirty and in our sins.
It is that Spirit that is changing us.
So all the glory still goes to God.
Not us.
But through us, that Spirit works the works.
If one is a selfish person, his works will be self centered.
If one is nasty, his works will be nasty.
If one follows Christ, his works become Christ like and acceptable.
It all comes from Christ.
NOT of ourselves.
That was the Jews downfall.
Grace and works go hand in hand.
All from Christ and for Christ.
Not of our own doing.
Consumed.... God bless you. Jesus only condemned the condemners. He gave grace to the humble. I suggest the brother read & pray earnestly about what Jesus said in Matthew 7:1-5 which states 1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Again... let the word of God speak & do not make statements that condemn. Those are of the flesh. God bless you
3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Again... let the word of God speak & do not make statements that condemn. Those are of the flesh. God bless you