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As to the referance of one dying young.
The only scripture I have read so far on this had to do with Our Lord taking a man young because of his goodness and not wanting this one to be destroyed by temptation.
I believe it was in corrinthians, Ill look for it and post it.
When it comes to communion, Jesus said to do this in memory of him.
In scripture I agrre that one should not do this with disrespect or gluttony.
But what bothers me with this post is again more about how we can be wrong rather than the message of Jesus.
I did not come to condem man but to save him.
To often we read far to much condemnation into the word rather than salvation.
Dosnt scripture warn us that condemnation is a tool of satan?
I have seen a few interpitations of the scripture offered here.
Because of the words of Jesus himself , it seems that the interpitation of salvation is more powerful, rather than so much condemnation.
I will rest in Jesus our Lord and Savour.
God bless, pickles
The only scripture I have read so far on this had to do with Our Lord taking a man young because of his goodness and not wanting this one to be destroyed by temptation.
I believe it was in corrinthians, Ill look for it and post it.
When it comes to communion, Jesus said to do this in memory of him.
In scripture I agrre that one should not do this with disrespect or gluttony.
But what bothers me with this post is again more about how we can be wrong rather than the message of Jesus.
I did not come to condem man but to save him.
To often we read far to much condemnation into the word rather than salvation.
Dosnt scripture warn us that condemnation is a tool of satan?
I have seen a few interpitations of the scripture offered here.
Because of the words of Jesus himself , it seems that the interpitation of salvation is more powerful, rather than so much condemnation.
I will rest in Jesus our Lord and Savour.
God bless, pickles
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Precious Pickles,
There is definately no condemnation here, not with me anyway, I just know from experience (unfortunately) what has happened to my Brother's and Sisters in the Body of CHRIST............And it is serioulsy greiving FATHERS heart, because the Word is spelled out pretty clearly on matters such as this one............And yet, there is such hate, anger, hostility, rejection and all in the Bodyl..............Precious, as you know, this should not be so........
We are to be loving one another, yes this is true, but we cannot forget the Justice of OUR GOD and HIS hatred for sin.........Not those that are trapped in those sins, but the sin itself...............My desire is clear...........My purpose and intent here in CC is evident. I love my Brothers and Sisters, and want nothing more than to see them well, and quite honestly, I will do battle with darkness, on their behalf.
SeekinHIM
There is definately no condemnation here, not with me anyway, I just know from experience (unfortunately) what has happened to my Brother's and Sisters in the Body of CHRIST............And it is serioulsy greiving FATHERS heart, because the Word is spelled out pretty clearly on matters such as this one............And yet, there is such hate, anger, hostility, rejection and all in the Bodyl..............Precious, as you know, this should not be so........
We are to be loving one another, yes this is true, but we cannot forget the Justice of OUR GOD and HIS hatred for sin.........Not those that are trapped in those sins, but the sin itself...............My desire is clear...........My purpose and intent here in CC is evident. I love my Brothers and Sisters, and want nothing more than to see them well, and quite honestly, I will do battle with darkness, on their behalf.
SeekinHIM
No wish to condemn. But the body and the cup are very precious to our Lord. If one takes them unworthy, they are not condemned, but there is still a price to pay. Even as members of His body, we are judged, unless we judge ourselves correctly. His judgment for not seeing His sacrifice as He gave it is weakness and sickness and for some, even death. I do not believe that this means that these are now lost. If we see the cross from His heart, then we will understand that what we do in remembrance of Him is important to Him, how we see Him in our heart is what is important to Him. If we cannot be honest with Jesus, and yet partake of this remembrance with a lie in our heart, how can we expect to be okay with Him? He knows us. This is the hardest part of being one of His, the need for openness with Him about all that we are and do and say and think and feel. He calls us friend, but are we? If we hide things from Him, if we do not judge ourselves rightly, if we think of ourselves as different than what we really are, on the inside, then we are not being very good friends with Him. That is Paul's message in 1st Corinthians chapter 11.
The temptation is to say in our heart, "He knows this about me, so I don't need to judge it myself." Or, even worse, "That was not wrong, well, not so wrong, how I thought about my brother or sister, and how I treated them or spoke about them." It is the evasion that is the trouble.
Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him. Peter was broken in his heart, because he knew what he had done, and Jesus knew that he was broken. There was no condemnation in His asking. There is no condemnation in our telling Him, or better yet, opening up to Him so that He can tell us, with a heart of joy to know that we have nothing hidden from Him, that He knows that we know that we are clean in our hearts.
The temptation is to say in our heart, "He knows this about me, so I don't need to judge it myself." Or, even worse, "That was not wrong, well, not so wrong, how I thought about my brother or sister, and how I treated them or spoke about them." It is the evasion that is the trouble.
Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him. Peter was broken in his heart, because he knew what he had done, and Jesus knew that he was broken. There was no condemnation in His asking. There is no condemnation in our telling Him, or better yet, opening up to Him so that He can tell us, with a heart of joy to know that we have nothing hidden from Him, that He knows that we know that we are clean in our hearts.
VW, I agree with all that you say here. And agree that we allways need to be honest in our hearts before Jesus
.My frustration is with the way that the scripture has been put here and interpited.
It was given in judgement rather than in the way that the scripture is written.
The more I read the scripture in bible on this I felt that as presented here was more about judgement.
The message just wasnt the same.
Im sorry Im not as able as others to easly quote meaning and what was presented.
I can only go with that which is revieled to me in my heart through the Holy Spirit in Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
I know only that all that I am , and will be is not by my hand , knowladge, or streangth. But by the salvation of Jesus, his grace, and the guidence of the Holy Spirit.
My acceptance of all of this is and willingness.
It may be that we agree , it could simply be that often we assume because one didnt say this or acknowladge that. That one is wrong.
When in truth we agree but want to be sure and quallify everything.
Just in case, yes I know I am a sinner, and must confess to Jesus.
To such a degree that Jesus showed me that I had to stop living under condemnation, but his salvation.
What mattered here is what would Jesus ask of us?
God bless, pickles
.My frustration is with the way that the scripture has been put here and interpited.
It was given in judgement rather than in the way that the scripture is written.
The more I read the scripture in bible on this I felt that as presented here was more about judgement.
The message just wasnt the same.
Im sorry Im not as able as others to easly quote meaning and what was presented.
I can only go with that which is revieled to me in my heart through the Holy Spirit in Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
I know only that all that I am , and will be is not by my hand , knowladge, or streangth. But by the salvation of Jesus, his grace, and the guidence of the Holy Spirit.
My acceptance of all of this is and willingness.
It may be that we agree , it could simply be that often we assume because one didnt say this or acknowladge that. That one is wrong.
When in truth we agree but want to be sure and quallify everything.
Just in case, yes I know I am a sinner, and must confess to Jesus.
To such a degree that Jesus showed me that I had to stop living under condemnation, but his salvation.
What mattered here is what would Jesus ask of us?
God bless, pickles
I know that you are open with Him. I knew this from the first I saw what you wrote. The simple honesty of how you hold your heart in place before Him makes me envious.
The scripture when used in the way it is sometimes here is condemnation. It is used sometimes as if it was the Law, from which only came condemnation. And the Holy Spirit actually had it written that way so if one wished to use it to condemn, it would work. But the Spirit does not use the scriptures to condemn those who are His, but to build us up in Him. When the Spirit is speaking to us in our hearts, we can only agree, even though it is filtered through each one differently. One Lord, One Spirit, One Father over all, with believe it or not, one faith. None of these work in the body if there is not love.
In His peace and love,
vic
The scripture when used in the way it is sometimes here is condemnation. It is used sometimes as if it was the Law, from which only came condemnation. And the Holy Spirit actually had it written that way so if one wished to use it to condemn, it would work. But the Spirit does not use the scriptures to condemn those who are His, but to build us up in Him. When the Spirit is speaking to us in our hearts, we can only agree, even though it is filtered through each one differently. One Lord, One Spirit, One Father over all, with believe it or not, one faith. None of these work in the body if there is not love.
In His peace and love,
vic
Thankyou VW, I see now what you were speaking to.
I let my frustration in the defence of over judgement get in the way.
I sometimes let my compassion over ride Gods message.
I think I need to speak to the messenger rather than the scripture.
But that is the work and timing of Our Lord, not mine.
Thankyou for keeping me on step.
God bless, pickles
I let my frustration in the defence of over judgement get in the way.
I sometimes let my compassion over ride Gods message.
I think I need to speak to the messenger rather than the scripture.
But that is the work and timing of Our Lord, not mine.
Thankyou for keeping me on step.
God bless, pickles