Temple of the Jews Or Temple in the heart

[BOY]

We are the temple of God.

Now they are saying that the man of sin sits in the temple in are heart, not. in the temple of the Jews.

And that the Jews can't build a temple because there are no priests, and they need a Messiah to build the temple.

So the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple of God, Not in the temple of the Jews.

And I was tempted for a minute. that could be right. But. I remembered Revelation 11. 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

There is definitely a temple made by the Jews. That means they have a Messiah.

Maybe you can help me with this. is it a double edged prophecy? The man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple. and the man of sin sits in the Jewish maid temple. Or are they false prophets that say there will be no Jewish temple and the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple.?


2 Corinthians 6:16
“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are the temple, we are. the temple of God.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matt24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

It stands there
It stands where it ought not.
It's set up.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

There are verses in scripture which describe a literal temple in Jerusalem, and there are verses in scripture which describe Christians as figuratively being the temple of God. So, how can we know, for certain, what type of temple is being described in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2? The answer is quite simple:

Context.

Paul had just finished speaking about a specific day in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, and, according to 2 Thessalonians 1:7, that day is the day when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In other words, that day is the day of Christ's return.

Moving on to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, Paul continued speaking of this same day.

2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

In verse 2, the day of Christ is the day of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him that Paul had just finished describing in verse 1. In relation to this specific day, or in relation to the same exact day that Paul described in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Paul said that two things must occur prior to it.

There has to first be a falling away or apostasy, and the man of sin, or the antichrist, needs to be revealed.

This is a MAN that is being spoken of, and this MAN will not be dwelling in the figurative temple of Christians when Christ returns. Instead, this MAN will be dwelling in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

There's a tabernacle in our head.The two cherubims/witnesses is the left and right hemisphere of our brains.The pineal gland sits on the mercy seat.Our hair would be as the torn temple veil.
If the left hemisphere is the water and the right is the blood then the pineal gland is the spirit.
Inside the head of a carnal minded person is the number of the beast,666.They're marked on the forehead.
What you're seeing is the abomination of desolation standing/sitting in the Holy place declaring himself as god.

mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation", or when the 144,000 give the testimony of the Two Witnesses,repent!
Flee to the mountains means to repent(Mount Sinai) and be transformed by the renewing of your mind/be born of the Spirit(Mount Zion).

 

[glf]

We are the temple of God.

Now they are saying that the man of sin sits in the temple in are heart, not. in the temple of the Jews.

And that the Jews can't build a temple because there are no priests, and they need a Messiah to build the temple.

So the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple of God, Not in the temple of the Jews.

And I was tempted for a minute. that could be right. But. I remembered Revelation 11. 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

There is definitely a temple made by the Jews. That means they have a Messiah.

Maybe you can help me with this. is it a double edged prophecy? The man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple. and the man of sin sits in the Jewish maid temple. Or are they false prophets that say there will be no Jewish temple and the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple.?


2 Corinthians 6:16
“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are the temple, we are. the temple of God.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matt24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

It stands there
It stands where it ought not.
It's set up.

The man of sin is a man possesed by the anti-christ and is unable to be in my heart! Even the evil one isn't omnipresent as the Lord is and can only be in one place at a time! Besides all that, 1 Jn 1: 4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Here's a great read that lays out a pretty compelling case that the original temples were on Mt Zion, not the "Temple Mount" where the Dome of the Rock is. The Western Wall where everyone worships is actually the western wall of the Roman encampment

https://www.askelm.com/TempBook/index.asp

 

[Jimbone]

Man you have to ADD SO MUCH to His word to get anything even close to what you guys are talking about. I see His word mixed and matched to fit the news papers of today, or peoples preconceived idea of how all this works that they just completely abandon exegesis and go full eisegesis to the point they're almost making their own story. What Jesus is talking about in Mat 24, and John is speaking of in Rev. is not the end of the world, it is the end of the age, the Mosaic, Temple sacrifice age, and the coming judgement on the covenant breaking Jews. This all came to pass EXACTLY as they said it would, EXACTLY when they said it would, and EXACTLY how He said it would. To be honest it is unbelievable amazing and vindicating how exact Jesus was about all these things.

The supposedly "perfect in every way" (by some) KJV has a TON to do with this misunderstanding because of the poor translation of 1 world in Mat. 24:3

KJV says "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world"

And the proper translation of that word "aion" in Greek they translated to world, should actually be AGE not world.

(ESV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

This completely changes what Jesus was actually saying here.
This is just a tiny part of it, but we have to consider the context of everything. First off Jesus was not talking to us, so when His disciples look Him in the eyes and ask "when will these things happen", and He looks them in the eyes back and says "double for sure, these things will ALL happen before THIS generation passes", then we cannot possibly read ourselves into His words. He was talking to and about them at that time, not us.

We have GOT to let His word be drawn from the text, and to be painfully forward and blunt with this, you can NOT get to a future to us pre-trib rapture view without adding a dump truck load TOO the scripture.

I good test for this is to try to empty everything you know and try to read scripture with fresh eyes. We can't do this completely of course, but just try to draw from it nothing more or less than its saying. I think you may be surprised that many of the verses used to support the PTR actually have nothing at all to do with the PTR when put in the context with the verses around them. Like none of the rest the chapter has anything to do with the end times or last days, yet they proof text one verse all alone like it supports this idea.

Man I already turned this into a wall of text and could keep going and going, but I see this view dominate so much of Christianity today and it honesty blows my mind how few can see how much better other views fit scripture SO much better. Okay that's my .02 for what it's worth. I just like sharing that.

 

[homwardbound]

We are the temple of God.

Now they are saying that the man of sin sits in the temple in are heart, not. in the temple of the Jews.

And that the Jews can't build a temple because there are no priests, and they need a Messiah to build the temple.

So the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple of God, Not in the temple of the Jews.

And I was tempted for a minute. that could be right. But. I remembered Revelation 11. 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

There is definitely a temple made by the Jews. That means they have a Messiah.

Maybe you can help me with this. is it a double edged prophecy? The man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple. and the man of sin sits in the Jewish maid temple. Or are they false prophets that say there will be no Jewish temple and the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple.?


2 Corinthians 6:16
“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are the temple, we are. the temple of God.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matt24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

It stands there
It stands where it ought not.
It's set up.

Ever since the resurrection of the Son that took away all sin first on that cross in Father's sight, not man's, since man continuers to sin, even thinking he is not, thinking they are righteous, when these are not, speaking out of two sides of their mouth saying they believe God and do not, yet seem as if they do. Been there, hoping no more there ever again I trust God to keep me safe and free in God, thinking, trusting God forever in Psalm 100:4, and seeing in belief what is done what Son for u has now done once forever for us all to believe it or not, Psalm 103:12, John 19:30, 2 Cor 5:17-20. Hebrews 8:1-4, 9:114-17

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

There's a tabernacle in our head.The two cherubims/witnesses is the left and right hemisphere of our brains.The pineal gland sits on the mercy seat.Our hair would be as the torn temple veil.
If the left hemisphere is the water and the right is the blood then the pineal gland is the spirit.
Inside the head of a carnal minded person is the number of the beast,666.They're marked on the forehead.
What you're seeing is the abomination of desolation standing/sitting in the Holy place declaring himself as god.

mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation", or when the 144,000 give the testimony of the Two Witnesses,repent!
Flee to the mountains means to repent(Mount Sinai) and be transformed by the renewing of your mind/be born of the Spirit(Mount Zion).

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Satan's kingdom and his ways mirror's God's,just being the opposite.Having being sealed by the name of our God on our forehead is symbolic to mean having the word of God on our minds.
If you had his name on your forehead you'd bare good fruits.The spirit of the Lord would sit/rest on the mercy seat with his Two Witnesses on his side.
Carnal minded people place themselves on the mercy seat making them in the image of the beast,instead of being in the image of God.

Here's another picture to show the heart as the mercy seat and the Two Witnesses being your first birth(water) and the head of the Church(blood).
Satan also wants to sit here and declare himself as god.

 

[BOY]

Man you have to ADD SO MUCH to His word to get anything even close to what you guys are talking about. I see His word mixed and matched to fit the news papers of today, or peoples preconceived idea of how all this works that they just completely abandon exegesis and go full eisegesis to the point they're almost making their own story. What Jesus is talking about in Mat 24, and John is speaking of in Rev. is not the end of the world, it is the end of the age, the Mosaic, Temple sacrifice age, and the coming judgement on the covenant breaking Jews. This all came to pass EXACTLY as they said it would, EXACTLY when they said it would, and EXACTLY how He said it would. To be honest it is unbelievable amazing and vindicating how exact Jesus was about all these things.

The supposedly "perfect in every way" (by some) KJV has a TON to do with this misunderstanding because of the poor translation of 1 world in Mat. 24:3

KJV says "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world"

And the proper translation of that word "aion" in Greek they translated to world, should actually be AGE not world.

(ESV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

This completely changes what Jesus was actually saying here.
This is just a tiny part of it, but we have to consider the context of everything. First off Jesus was not talking to us, so when His disciples look Him in the eyes and ask "when will these things happen", and He looks them in the eyes back and says "double for sure, these things will ALL happen before THIS generation passes", then we cannot possibly read ourselves into His words. He was talking to and about them at that time, not us.

We have GOT to let His word be drawn from the text, and to be painfully forward and blunt with this, you can NOT get to a future to us pre-trib rapture view without adding a dump truck load TOO the scripture.

I good test for this is to try to empty everything you know and try to read scripture with fresh eyes. We can't do this completely of course, but just try to draw from it nothing more or less than its saying. I think you may be surprised that many of the verses used to support the PTR actually have nothing at all to do with the PTR when put in the context with the verses around them. Like none of the rest the chapter has anything to do with the end times or last days, yet they proof text one verse all alone like it supports this idea.

Man I already turned this into a wall of text and could keep going and going, but I see this view dominate so much of Christianity today and it honesty blows my mind how few can see how much better other views fit scripture SO much better. Okay that's my .02 for what it's worth. I just like sharing that.

Are you even on the right post the right thread? because this one's talking about doctrine and false doctrine, Or did you just want to let us know how you feel? And what you believe.?

 

[BOY]

There are verses in scripture which describe a literal temple in Jerusalem, and there are verses in scripture which describe Christians as figuratively being the temple of God. So, how can we know, for certain, what type of temple is being described in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2? The answer is quite simple:

Context.

Paul had just finished speaking about a specific day in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, and, according to 2 Thessalonians 1:7, that day is the day when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In other words, that day is the day of Christ's return.

Moving on to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, Paul continued speaking of this same day.

2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

In verse 2, the day of Christ is the day of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him that Paul had just finished describing in verse 1. In relation to this specific day, or in relation to the same exact day that Paul described in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Paul said that two things must occur prior to it.

There has to first be a falling away or apostasy, and the man of sin, or the antichrist, needs to be revealed.

This is a MAN that is being spoken of, and this MAN will not be dwelling in the figurative temple of Christians when Christ returns. Instead, this MAN will be dwelling in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

How come you didn't use Revelation 11 the first two verses? Or was there a Pacific reason for that?

 

[keepingthingsreal]

How come you didn't use Revelation 11 the first two verses? Or was there a Pacific reason for that?

You had already used them. I believe that those verses pertain to a last days rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.