The Rapture Is here:]

[peterT]

QUOTE=Earlmayknowornot;990848] show me the people that Jesus reigns over for 1000 years. Please. and I will ask my question again. Who will Christ reign over if all are raptured at His second coming. [/QUOTE]

The 5 foolish virgins for a start, the Christians that didn’t get in.

In your strong delusion show me the people that Jesus reigns over for 1000 years. Please. In the rapture that Paul speaks of Jesus does not return to the Earth. We shall meet Him in the air. Yes or no. If we meet Him in the air at His second coming to the Earth. Then we are immediately coming back with Him. Because when He comes back He is Coming back to stay. Where do you fit in the marriage supper. and I will ask my question again. Who will Christ reign over if all are raptured at His second coming. The majority of wicked will be destroyed. Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool. Where do the people in these flesh bodies come from that Christ will reign over????

He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, one shall be taken, and the other left.

We stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.

Rv15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

We stand before the throne of God after coming out of great tribulation

What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple

There we are in the heavens AFETR the beast and the mark, AFTER the great tribulation and at the marriage supper, then we return with him for the battle and to reign Rv19

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

We stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.

I got Victory over it the day I accepted Christ.

 

[GreenNnice]

It is going to happen. Verses DO explain THE RAPTURE!!! real and really coming!!!!!!

Just some words punctuating truth with emphasis.

Can you tell

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Answer the question

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Admit it from a post trib perspective you cannot answer either question. Love ya

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Wow lost track of time. I have got to get some some sleep. I love all of you and enjoy discussing these things. The main thing is that we all believe that Jesus died for our sins that we may be saved. Glory to his name forever. amen

 

[Bookends]

Thought I would copy it and paste here. so the post tribbers wouldn't have to search.

I don't think it is possible for you or anyone, save The Holy Spirit, to show me other wise. To me Post Trib makes absolutely no sense at all. God has always provided an escape from His wrath for those that trust in Him. He is God and there is no other and He changes not.

Explain to me where the Christians come from in the Millennium Reign if there all raptured at the second coming of Christ. Who will He Reign over and it is given that we will reign with Him. Know ye not that we shall judge angels.

The bible is very clear, that there will be people saved during the tribulation. The rapture being a great witness to many. Most will be killed. but, many will live through it and remain in this body for a thousand years. Children will be born that have never been tempted by Satan. God is a true and just God and always protects His righteousness. These people that will be born during this reign of Christ experience no temptation as we have and that is unjust. That's why Satan will be released at the end for a season and remarkable many will fall and go against christ. Human nature wants so badly to worship itself that even after seeing Christ they will fall to Satan's pride.

You confuse God's wrath with the war of Satan against His Church/people. The 1st century Christians suffered greatly, even to death, for their loyalty to Christ. Satan was and is against God people and theirs (1st century) was a great tribulation in which the early Christians had to suffer, endure, and persevere but Satan could not prevail against them. Matt 24 is mostly about if not all about this period where the churches foundation was being laid by the apostles and 1 st century Christians.

John the Revelator saw himself in this battle, Revelations 1:9, "I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ". This is the Great tribulation. However, God's people have always been under attack since the fall of man (a general tribulation), Cain vs. Able, and Satan was allowed to deceive and corrupt the world before the flood and the nation of Israel, in the siege of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD. These are examples of God wrath being poured out, but by in which His remnant has always been saved by God. This example is also displayed with the Babylonian captivity of Israel in @ 587 BC were God had reserved to Himself 7000 men who never bowed to Baal. They received the seal of God on their hands and forehead. This similar to the mark of the beast in Revelation, see it's not a literal mark here, the mark is figurative for who you belong to (God or Satan) by what you think (believe) and do (actions).

What you are doing is confusing the general tribulation and great tribulation with God's wrath, they are two separate things or events.

 

[nathan3]

Okay so i am sure this thread will cause lots of problems as sensitive subjects such as this do, but I knew that I had to spread the message. As the title says the rapture is here, it may be today, it may be a week from now or a month from but the fact is the rapture is going to happen VERY soon. God has sent his prophets to tell the good news of returning home, but people wouldn't listen. God has shown many signs and prophesies being fulfilled yet no one believes him, And he has given many dreams and visions but some cannot trust him. This is what i know- the rapture is about to happen. This will happen before the tribulation and it will happen fast. We no longer need to worry about the mark or the beast because we the bride will not be here to endure that. There is a wedding on the way and many are called but few are chosen.

it is not written in the Bible, of a any-moment rapture. its just not written. It can appear to be there, only if you ignore the rest of the scriptures.

 

[Radius]

We will only know the "season." I think season means 10's of years -- not days/months. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say Christ would return within the next 10-50 years. It just depends on how fast the Middle East pushes war on Israel and press them to divide their land with the Palestinians. That should set things off.

 

[Blain]

Well as I said God made it known to those who will listen, I know when a prophet is real or not because the holy spirit makes it known to me. As I said God sent his prophets to spread the good news but few listened. You want scripture as proof? Here you go, but be warned I have much more of them the question is will anyone who has ears listen?
[SIZE=+0]1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air[/SIZE]: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 [SIZE=+0]Thess[/SIZE] 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
[SIZE=+0][caught up=HARPAZO=Rapture][/SIZE]
1 Thess 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thess 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[HR][/HR]
1Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[HR][/HR]
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
[HR][/HR] [SIZE=+1]The Seven Churches; One is promised an Escape through the "open door" from the Great Tribulation[/SIZE]
To Thyatira:
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
To Philadelphia:
Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Rev 3:10 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.

 

[nathan3]

Well as I said God made it known to those who will listen, I know when a prophet is real or not because the holy spirit makes it known to me. As I said God sent his prophets to spread the good news but few listened. You want scripture as proof? Here you go, but be warned I have much more of them the question is will anyone who has ears listen?
[SIZE=+0]1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air[/SIZE]: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 [SIZE=+0]Thess[/SIZE] 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
[SIZE=+0][caught up=HARPAZO=Rapture][/SIZE]
1 Thess 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Thess 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thess 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[HR][/HR]
1Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[HR][/HR]
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
[HR][/HR] [SIZE=+1]The Seven Churches; One is promised an Escape through the "open door" from the Great Tribulation[/SIZE]
To Thyatira:
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
To Philadelphia:
Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Rev 3:10 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.

This is a illustration of omitting large portions of the Bible on end time events. Rapture is built on a few scriptures( as the above shows ) and it leaves out everything that Fully, expalines the above scriptures. Those scriptures would make more sense with the others. Not alone. Notice how you have to leave out 2 thess 2. Not to mention all of Mark 13 , Luke 21 ,Matthew 24... & Revelation ...
And often people will try to make the scriptures i just mentioned as if it is void and useless to listen to. Just so that the rapture can stand. .. In light of the other scriptures, rapture teachings can never fit in the order of events outlined by Christ... Unless Christ teachings are ignored: and that is what i believe is the underlying effect and reason for the rapture.

 

[Blain]

Nathan those scriptures are the word of god, and the holy spirit makes scripture clear to those who are willing to listen. You are to hard minded and cannot see what is in front of you. If you are not willing to listen and understand the words God speaks to you not only will you not be expecting the rapture but i fear you may get left behind. Do you want more scripture of the rapture? Because like i sais i have many more

 

[Elin]

Okay so i am sure this thread will cause lots of problems as sensitive subjects such as this do, but I knew that I had to spread the message. As the title says the rapture is here, it may be today, it may be a week from now or a month from but the fact is the rapture is going to happen VERY soon. God has sent his prophets to tell the good news of returning home, but people wouldn't listen. God has shown many signs and prophesies being fulfilled yet no one believes him, And he has given many dreams and visions but some cannot trust him. This is what i know- the rapture is about to happen. This will happen before the tribulation and it will happen fast. We no longer need to worry about the mark or the beast because we the bride will not be here to endure that. There is a wedding on the way and many are called but few are chosen.

The NT reveals there is no rapture until the apostasy occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed (2Th 2:3).

Have they occurred?

 

[Blain]

The NT reveals there is no rapture until the apostasy occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed (2Th 2:3).

Have they occurred?

But the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And Then the lawless one will be revealed. You see the church must dissapear before the antichrist can reveal himself. And the church is not a building of worship, it is the brothers and sisters of god.

 

[Abiding]

I will ask another, show me in the OT where God poured His wrath on those that trusted in Him

If i answered that it would be against your presupposition that we need removed
before God pours out His wrath. In fact its funny how your giving a clue and basis
against your very premise.

Do you think God has no ability in His aim? Why do you think He cant pour out His wrath
with precision?

 

[Wall]

In your strong delusion show me the people that Jesus reigns over for 1000 years. Please. In the rapture that Paul speaks of Jesus does not return to the Earth. We shall meet Him in the air. Yes or no. If we meet Him in the air at His second coming to the Earth. Then we are immediately coming back with Him. Because when He comes back He is Coming back to stay. Where do you fit in the marriage supper. and I will ask my question again. Who will Christ reign over if all are raptured at His second coming. The majority of wicked will be destroyed. Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool. Where do the people in these flesh bodies come from that Christ will reign over????

When we meet Him in the air we do not head for heaven. You will find no scripture that says that. At the 1Cor.15 event we meet Jesus in the air and its off to Zion. His holy mountain for the 1000yr period of rest.

 

[Abiding]

When we meet Him in the air we do not head for heaven. You will find no scripture that says that. At the 1Cor.15 event we meet Jesus in the air and its off to Zion. His holy mountain for the 1000yr period of rest.

You cant find anything in 1 Cor 15 that talks about a 1000 year period of rest!!
In fact it says He delivers the Kingdom up to God.

 

[nathan3]

Nathan those scriptures are the word of god, and the holy spirit makes scripture clear to those who are willing to listen. You are to hard minded and cannot see what is in front of you. If you are not willing to listen and understand the words God speaks to you not only will you not be expecting the rapture but i fear you may get left behind. Do you want more scripture of the rapture? Because like i sais i have many more

Look, im just asking that people think. and take in MORE scripture, not less.


Look, the subject is started in 1 thess 4 :13 , but you bypassed the subject, then started at verse 16; then inserted the rapture as the subject, and its not...Verse 13 shows the subject there: The subject is where are the dead..But you omitted that. The rapture teaching teaches you, to leave out a lot of scripture.

And all the other half scriptures posted for rapture, is likewise also, leaving out much more.

The Antichrist comes first, and after that, then Christ returns here, not to take anyone anywhere, but to set up here on earth as written in more places then anyone has bothered to post here.

If you believe in a rapture, the first one that shows claiming to be Christ, you will think it is Christ. and he'll gladly rapture you. But i would not go there.

 

[nathan3]

Blain , it's my prayer often, that I am never caught up in any kind of rapture , in the end times. That is one thing you will never see me asking for. Again I pray if i'm alive in the end times and it all gos down, that i never get raptured. because, its a bad teaching. it leads one to take part in what Paul mentions in 2 thess 2.

we can talk some time in detail in the chats, and i'll show scripture for why i beleive this . there are no raptures of any kind.

 

[Wall]

You cant find anything in 1 Cor 15 that talks about a 1000 year period of rest!!
In fact it says He delivers the Kingdom up to God.

Do you think there are 2 raptures?