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Job knew when the CHANGE would happen
1COR.15 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[53] for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 CORINTHIANS 10[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all OUR FATHERS were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they DRANK OF THAT SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.
Will Job be amoung the dead in Christ who will be “changed” at the 1Cor.15 event?
Yes, according to scripture
JOB 14 [10] But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?[11] As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:[12] So MAN LIETH DOWN, AND RISETH NOT: TILL THE HEAVENS BE NO MORE, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.[13] O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! [14] IF A MAN DIE, SHALL HE LIVE AGAIN? all the days of my appointed time will I WAIT, TILL MY CHANGE COME.
Job says after the heavens be no more, then shall his "change" come
2PET.3 [10] But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
Job says his "change" will come when the heavens be no more. Above scripture tells us the heavens be no more at the coming of the Day of the Lord. Which occurs {according to scripture} after the great tribulation
1COR.15 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[53] for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 CORINTHIANS 10[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all OUR FATHERS were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they DRANK OF THAT SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.
Will Job be amoung the dead in Christ who will be “changed” at the 1Cor.15 event?
Yes, according to scripture
JOB 14 [10] But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?[11] As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:[12] So MAN LIETH DOWN, AND RISETH NOT: TILL THE HEAVENS BE NO MORE, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.[13] O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! [14] IF A MAN DIE, SHALL HE LIVE AGAIN? all the days of my appointed time will I WAIT, TILL MY CHANGE COME.
Job says after the heavens be no more, then shall his "change" come
2PET.3 [10] But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
Job says his "change" will come when the heavens be no more. Above scripture tells us the heavens be no more at the coming of the Day of the Lord. Which occurs {according to scripture} after the great tribulation
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As you can see from the scriptures we are in the heavens or some place AFTER getting the victory over the beast and his mark and before the wrath is poured out on the people that have the mark of the beast.
You don’t get to stand on the sea of glass until AFTER the beast and the mark then the wrath is poured out on the people that have the mark of the beast.
Do you see anybody getting the wrath the 7 vials on the people that have the mark? NO
Getting victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark has not happened yet.
Is there anybody trying to kill you for not worship the image of the beast,? NO
And as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
has not happened yet.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Is there anybody causing you to take a mark? NO
Has not happened yet.
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
Can you still buy and sell? YES
has not happened yet.
And your question has been answered already see post #21
Maybe you could answer a question for me.
How come you preach a pre-trib coming when there is No event in the bible showing Jesus coming before the great tribulation ??
There is an event for the birth of Jesus. Three kings, born in a manger etc etc.
There is an event for the death of Jesus. Raised from the dead after three days etc etc.
There is an event for the 1000 year reign. and we shall reign on the earth. etc etc.
There is an event for New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven etc etc.
There is an event at the last trumpet In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible etc etc.
There is an event for Jesus coming Immediately after the tribulation, the angels gather the elect, etc etc.
But there is NO event in the Bible were Jesus comes BEFOR the tribulation.
So why do you teach and preach it?
You don’t get to stand on the sea of glass until AFTER the beast and the mark then the wrath is poured out on the people that have the mark of the beast.
Do you see anybody getting the wrath the 7 vials on the people that have the mark? NO
Getting victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark has not happened yet.
Is there anybody trying to kill you for not worship the image of the beast,? NO
And as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
has not happened yet.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Is there anybody causing you to take a mark? NO
Has not happened yet.
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
Can you still buy and sell? YES
has not happened yet.
And your question has been answered already see post #21
Maybe you could answer a question for me.
How come you preach a pre-trib coming when there is No event in the bible showing Jesus coming before the great tribulation ??
There is an event for the birth of Jesus. Three kings, born in a manger etc etc.
There is an event for the death of Jesus. Raised from the dead after three days etc etc.
There is an event for the 1000 year reign. and we shall reign on the earth. etc etc.
There is an event for New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven etc etc.
There is an event at the last trumpet In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible etc etc.
There is an event for Jesus coming Immediately after the tribulation, the angels gather the elect, etc etc.
But there is NO event in the Bible were Jesus comes BEFOR the tribulation.
So why do you teach and preach it?
You seem to have a total disregard for scripture which explains your belief in a rapture. You dont acknoledge 90% of the scriptures posted proving there is no rapsure. You believe what you wish to believe because your afraid of the trib period. Theres no need to be afraid. We are not appointed to wrath.
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What 90% scripture ? that say there’s no rapture, there is no 90% of scripture on this post saying there is no rapture.
NO rapture?
No word rapture, but there is defiantly an event were we will meet the lord in the air in the clouds.
And the dead in Christ shall rise first at the last trumpet, the two dead witnesses and raised in the clouds at the last trumpet, they ascended up to heaven in a cloud, and which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord I the clouds.
We stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.
He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other end of the earth, one shall be taken, and the other left.
What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple
There we are standing on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast and his mark.
There we are coming out of great tribulation then before the throne of God, and serve him day and night
Yes there is defiantly a rapture.
Christians build doctrine on a lot less than that, and call it sound
1Thess4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Cor15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Matt24; 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Rv11:11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rv7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
NO rapture?
No word rapture, but there is defiantly an event were we will meet the lord in the air in the clouds.
And the dead in Christ shall rise first at the last trumpet, the two dead witnesses and raised in the clouds at the last trumpet, they ascended up to heaven in a cloud, and which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord I the clouds.
We stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.
He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other end of the earth, one shall be taken, and the other left.
What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple
There we are standing on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast and his mark.
There we are coming out of great tribulation then before the throne of God, and serve him day and night
Yes there is defiantly a rapture.
Christians build doctrine on a lot less than that, and call it sound
1Thess4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Cor15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Matt24; 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Rv11:11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rv7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
For all of you dear friends who trust the lord in the rapture i am so happy we can meet each other. I cannot wait to see you all there, for now the lord has entrusted us in delivering his message. Not many will accept this message and we will be persicuted for it, but this is the final job to do until that day happens. For every ear that hears and accepts this message with joy I will praise god with hands lifted high. But we must always remember that above all even the rapture we must seek god's heart
So what is the DAY Blain?
Jesus didn't know.
God does know.
But I'm guessing you're not only one of those that ignore these Biblical statements and think Jesus is God - even though they contradict.
But you also think YOU know more than Jesus did before he ascended to be at the right hand of God when he said, no-one knows but the Father (or did he say God - Jesus called the Father God and God God, never "the other bits/parts/essences of me")
And Paul said that by being baptised into Christ we could ONE in Christ as Christ was ONE with God.
So we're not just a trinity but a multiplicity of gods
Wow - isn't that what the mormons think. And yet most christians LOGICALLY believe it.
Anyway if you say a day you know more than Jesus.
So - you're probably wrong and there are comments about those with false prophecies in the Bible.
Won't see you on the other side it says - sorry.
Jesus didn't know.
God does know.
But I'm guessing you're not only one of those that ignore these Biblical statements and think Jesus is God - even though they contradict.
But you also think YOU know more than Jesus did before he ascended to be at the right hand of God when he said, no-one knows but the Father (or did he say God - Jesus called the Father God and God God, never "the other bits/parts/essences of me")
And Paul said that by being baptised into Christ we could ONE in Christ as Christ was ONE with God.
So we're not just a trinity but a multiplicity of gods
Wow - isn't that what the mormons think. And yet most christians LOGICALLY believe it.
Anyway if you say a day you know more than Jesus.
So - you're probably wrong and there are comments about those with false prophecies in the Bible.
Won't see you on the other side it says - sorry.
I never said i was being persicuted I said we would be and bookends I never once claimed to know the day nor the hour. Jesus is god. He is the I am, he is the son of man he is the almighty one and he is the one whose eye's burn for us. But i am actually hurt you say i think i know more than Jesus. I don't even deserve to say his name yet he accepts me as his own. It is by faith we see god and by the heart we hear and obey him. I am not so sure we won't see each other on the other side, you never know what the lord has in store.
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Blain. In the beginning of your quote, you said " As the title says the rapture is here, it may be today, it may be a week from now or a month from but the fact is the rapture is going to happen VERY soon. " So is it here or is it may be here? the word IS. a more definite word, were as MAY is an uncertain word. Obvious its going to happen. But making a statement that the rapture " IS " here, and then go on to say, It MAY be here tomorrow? or may be here next week? May be here next year? its not giving a clear comment that it is or not. However, I don't really want to know make assumptions as to when the rapture will happen. It's going to happen whether we know or not. and when it does? then Great!
Yes the rapture is here just not by our terms, i say may because it is impossible to know the exact day or hour. The lord told me time is up and we are going home, now don't get me wrong some days i have a very hard time believing him but i try my best to trust and have faith in him. If Jesus says it is finally time then i trust him.
You are exactly right. Jesus does not return, we meet Him in the air. You still haven't answered either of my questions. Where in the OT does God pour out his wrath on those that trust in Him? Second, where do the people come from that live in these flesh bodies during the Millennium reign?
I would be more inclined to a mid trib than the unbiblical post. Sorry that's just my view
The sea of glass thing, we are going to feast at the marriage supper during trib. That happens before Christ returns and we are coming back with Him. Not this up and down post story.
I would be more inclined to a mid trib than the unbiblical post. Sorry that's just my view
The sea of glass thing, we are going to feast at the marriage supper during trib. That happens before Christ returns and we are coming back with Him. Not this up and down post story.
Since you're living through the trib, how can you support your family if you can't buy or sell? Thats called economy, controlled by the AC. Will you take the mark when your baby is crying for food or is God going to supply it. He may very well do that. But the church is gone, grace is over there is no more mercy. God is destroying the world as we know it. Just like Sodom, The angels had to remove Lot before the could destroy the city. Yes there will be and already is persecution. Persecution comes from Satan and not God. People will be saved during the trib and most will be killed, but not all and they will repopulate the earth during the reign of Christ. Also, not all people will be killed. During the reign of Christ every nation once a year must bring tribute to Jerusalem. Who are these people, if it all ends at Christ return?