The Symptoms of Being Filled with the Spirit

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Let's take a good look at what experiences scripture associates with being filled with the Spirit. Being filled with the Spirit is not merely an intellectual doctrine, or an idea, or something you have to believe you are despite the evidence being contrary to it. There's nothing worse than trying to believe you are filled with the Spirit yet not feeling you are. Being filled with the Spirit, is an experience. And you will know you are filled with the Spirit whenever you have had any of the symptoms scripture describes. This is how people in the bible knew others were filled with the Spirit, whenever it says "and being filled with the Spirit.. they did this, or did that, or said this, or said that". Because the Spirit is invisible, the authors of the scripture (and us today) can only see the results of the Spirit's influence.

Scripture commands us to be filled with the Spirit:
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;



Now let's look at the possible symptoms of being filled, from both the Old and New Testament. These are some (not all) symptoms (results) of being filled with the Spirit. There are possibly more.

  • You will bear and bring good news, to heal, to release, to free (Isaiah 61).
  • Manifestation of tongues, or other spiritual gifts e.g. teaching/preaching. (Acts 2:4, Acts 4:8)
  • Prophesying and knowledge of things to come ( Matt 10:20, Luke 1:67, Luke 1:41, 1 Sa 10:6, Joe 2:28, 2 Sa 23:2, 1 Pe 1:11)
  • Praising God. (Eph 5)
  • Singing to God. (Eph 5)
  • Thankfulness. (Eph 5)
  • Submission (to God, and one another). (Eph 5)
  • Greater clarity and understanding of God's will (Eph 5:17, Psalm 143:10, Proverbs 1:23, Rom 8:27).
  • Boldness (Acts 1:8, Acts 13:9, Acts 4:31).
  • Abundant joy (Luke 10:21)
  • An aversion to alcohol, drugs etc (Luke 1:15, Eph 5:18).
  • Seeing God's glory, dreams, or visions (Acts 7:55, Joe 2:28)
  • Ability to Exercise Forgiveness, even during martyrdom (Acts 7:60)
  • Knowing the love of Christ, and being filled with the fullness of God (Eph 3:16-21)
  • Being strengthened in your inner man (Eph 3:16-21)
  • Able to believe God for the impossible (Eph 3:21)
  • Filled with faith (Acts 6:8, Acts 11:24)
  • Ecstatic dancing and /or shouting (1 Sam 10:10, 1 Sam 19:20, 1 Sam 19:23, Num 11:25 )
  • Great wisdom and insight (Gen 41:38, Job 32:8)
  • Specific skills that are supernaturally acquired (Isaiah 11:2, Exo 31)
  • You will become a different person (1 Sa 10:6)
  • Be able to keep good and sound doctrine (2 Ti 1:14)
  • Inward thirsting will be fully satisfied (Isaiah 44:3, Rev 22:17, John 7:37-39)
  • You are carried to another place (translated) (2 Ki 2:16), perhaps to another place on earth, or perhaps to heaven (2 Cor 12)
  • Your soul and body is quickened and strengthened (Eze 2:2, Eze 37:9, Rom 8:11)
  • You will succeed (Zec 4:6)
  • Supernatural physical strength (Jdg 14:6)
  • Powerful and effective prayers (Jud 1:20)
  • Freedom from fear, and a sound mind (2 Ti 1:7)
  • Victory over false prophets and evil (1 Jn 4:4)
  • Victory over the flesh (Gal 5:16)


This is what scripture reveals it means to receive power, these are the symptoms. As Jesus promised:

Act 1:8 But you shall receive power, the Holy Spirit coming upon you. And you shall be witnesses to Me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and to the end of the earth.
 

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Acts 4:31-37 ' And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spake the word of God with boldness. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
RESPONSE Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet'.

Just in this passage:

1- you have new believers of one heart and soul
2- what they possessed was not their own, but had all things common
3- with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus
4- that great power was great grace and it was upon them all

You don't hear much about these (4) things in relationship to Spirit-filled believers in today's church. I don't see here any tongues being spoken or the power of signs or miracles following, that some teach. Today, so many believers are doing their own independent thing with God that they don't even consider what this passage is all about. One heart, one soul and having all things common is so far from them and many don't even care. They want salvation and forgiveness of sins alright, but what these new believers had they couldn't care less.

Much of today's believers are so caught up in the cares of this life that following Christ is secondary. I guarantee you, when today's believers first got saved, they were filled with love and had the one heart and soul but something happened and following Christ became an option instead of their primary focus. When Jesus picked His disciples He said 'Follow me' and they left everything and followed Him. I am not going to tell you what that means in relationship to your family and marriage, because you have to work that out between you and God. God wants the heart and soul and He wants it to be the same for all believers. We are members in particular but we are to have the same love, the same heart, the same soul, the same Spirit, the same Christ, the same faith all in one body where Jesus Christ is the head. After some people read this, they are going to say that I am attacking believers or attacking them in some way, not even realizing that I am also a believer.
 
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both post are very good you guys, there was some believers in acts 19 that didn't even know if there was a Holy Ghost, and some times God will manifest Himself through the Spirit that people might believe.


Ac 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,Ac 19:2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.Ac 19:3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.Ac 19:4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.Ac 19:5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.Ac 19:6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 
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both post are very good you guys, there was some believers in acts 19 that didn't even know if there was a Holy Ghost, and some times God will manifest Himself through the Spirit that people might believe.


Ac 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,Ac 19:2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.Ac 19:3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.Ac 19:4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.Ac 19:5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.Ac 19:6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
These certain disciples were followers of John the Baptist's; not followers of Jesus Christ. Paul had to tell them about Jesus Whom came after John and THEN they were baptized in Jesus' name and THEN they received the Holy Ghost for believing that Jesus is the One John the Baptist was preparing the way for.

If they were disciples of Jesus Christ, then why be baptized in His name unless it wasn't done from before as those that followed Jesus did?

John 4:When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

So these certain disciples were of John the Baptist's. That was the answer they gave to Paul as to what baptism they were of. They were not there when Jesus finally came. That was why Paul had to tell them about Him and thus the reason why then they were baptized in Jesus' name.
 
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Let's take a good look at what experiences scripture associates with being filled with the Spirit. Being filled with the Spirit is not merely an intellectual doctrine, or an idea, or something you have to believe you are despite the evidence being contrary to it. There's nothing worse than trying to believe you are filled with the Spirit yet not feeling you are. Being filled with the Spirit, is an experience. And you will know you are filled with the Spirit whenever you have had any of the symptoms scripture describes. This is how people in the bible knew others were filled with the Spirit, whenever it says "and being filled with the Spirit.. they did this, or did that, or said this, or said that". Because the Spirit is invisible, the authors of the scripture (and us today) can only see the results of the Spirit's influence.

Scripture commands us to be filled with the Spirit:
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;



Now let's look at the possible symptoms of being filled, from both the Old and New Testament. These are some (not all) symptoms (results) of being filled with the Spirit. There are possibly more.

  • You will bear and bring good news, to heal, to release, to free (Isaiah 61).
  • Manifestation of tongues, or other spiritual gifts e.g. teaching/preaching. (Acts 2:4, Acts 4:8)
  • Prophesying and knowledge of things to come ( Matt 10:20, Luke 1:67, Luke 1:41, 1 Sa 10:6, Joe 2:28, 2 Sa 23:2, 1 Pe 1:11)
  • Praising God. (Eph 5)
  • Singing to God. (Eph 5)
  • Thankfulness. (Eph 5)
  • Submission (to God, and one another). (Eph 5)
  • Greater clarity and understanding of God's will (Eph 5:17, Psalm 143:10, Proverbs 1:23, Rom 8:27).
  • Boldness (Acts 1:8, Acts 13:9, Acts 4:31).
  • Abundant joy (Luke 10:21)
  • An aversion to alcohol, drugs etc (Luke 1:15, Eph 5:18).
  • Seeing God's glory, dreams, or visions (Acts 7:55, Joe 2:28)
  • Ability to Exercise Forgiveness, even during martyrdom (Acts 7:60)
  • Knowing the love of Christ, and being filled with the fullness of God (Eph 3:16-21)
  • Being strengthened in your inner man (Eph 3:16-21)
  • Able to believe God for the impossible (Eph 3:21)
  • Filled with faith (Acts 6:8, Acts 11:24)
  • Ecstatic dancing and /or shouting (1 Sam 10:10, 1 Sam 19:20, 1 Sam 19:23, Num 11:25 )
  • Great wisdom and insight (Gen 41:38, Job 32:8)
  • Specific skills that are supernaturally acquired (Isaiah 11:2, Exo 31)
  • You will become a different person (1 Sa 10:6)
  • Be able to keep good and sound doctrine (2 Ti 1:14)
  • Inward thirsting will be fully satisfied (Isaiah 44:3, Rev 22:17, John 7:37-39)
  • You are carried to another place (translated) (2 Ki 2:16), perhaps to another place on earth, or perhaps to heaven (2 Cor 12)
  • Your soul and body is quickened and strengthened (Eze 2:2, Eze 37:9, Rom 8:11)
  • You will succeed (Zec 4:6)
  • Supernatural physical strength (Jdg 14:6)
  • Powerful and effective prayers (Jud 1:20)
  • Freedom from fear, and a sound mind (2 Ti 1:7)
  • Victory over false prophets and evil (1 Jn 4:4)
  • Victory over the flesh (Gal 5:16)

This is what scripture reveals it means to receive power, these are the symptoms. As Jesus promised:

Act 1:8 But you shall receive power, the Holy Spirit coming upon you. And you shall be witnesses to Me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and to the end of the earth.
Gee, people who believe in the Book of Mormon must be filled with the Spirit. They undergo similar experiences. And like you, they point to these biblical verses.

Feeling over Reason makes for chaos.
 
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Let's take a good look at what experiences scripture associates with being filled with the Spirit. Being filled with the Spirit is not merely an intellectual doctrine, or an idea, or something you have to believe you are despite the evidence being contrary to it. There's nothing worse than trying to believe you are filled with the Spirit yet not feeling you are. Being filled with the Spirit, is an experience. And you will know you are filled with the Spirit whenever you have had any of the symptoms scripture describes. This is how people in the bible knew others were filled with the Spirit, whenever it says "and being filled with the Spirit.. they did this, or did that, or said this, or said that". Because the Spirit is invisible, the authors of the scripture (and us today) can only see the results of the Spirit's influence.

Scripture commands us to be filled with the Spirit:
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;



Now let's look at the possible symptoms of being filled, from both the Old and New Testament. These are some (not all) symptoms (results) of being filled with the Spirit. There are possibly more.

  • You will bear and bring good news, to heal, to release, to free (Isaiah 61).
  • Manifestation of tongues, or other spiritual gifts e.g. teaching/preaching. (Acts 2:4, Acts 4:8)
  • Prophesying and knowledge of things to come ( Matt 10:20, Luke 1:67, Luke 1:41, 1 Sa 10:6, Joe 2:28, 2 Sa 23:2, 1 Pe 1:11)
  • Praising God. (Eph 5)
  • Singing to God. (Eph 5)
  • Thankfulness. (Eph 5)
  • Submission (to God, and one another). (Eph 5)
  • Greater clarity and understanding of God's will (Eph 5:17, Psalm 143:10, Proverbs 1:23, Rom 8:27).
  • Boldness (Acts 1:8, Acts 13:9, Acts 4:31).
  • Abundant joy (Luke 10:21)
  • An aversion to alcohol, drugs etc (Luke 1:15, Eph 5:18).
  • Seeing God's glory, dreams, or visions (Acts 7:55, Joe 2:28)
  • Ability to Exercise Forgiveness, even during martyrdom (Acts 7:60)
  • Knowing the love of Christ, and being filled with the fullness of God (Eph 3:16-21)
  • Being strengthened in your inner man (Eph 3:16-21)
  • Able to believe God for the impossible (Eph 3:21)
  • Filled with faith (Acts 6:8, Acts 11:24)
  • Ecstatic dancing and /or shouting (1 Sam 10:10, 1 Sam 19:20, 1 Sam 19:23, Num 11:25 )
  • Great wisdom and insight (Gen 41:38, Job 32:8)
  • Specific skills that are supernaturally acquired (Isaiah 11:2, Exo 31)
  • You will become a different person (1 Sa 10:6)
  • Be able to keep good and sound doctrine (2 Ti 1:14)
  • Inward thirsting will be fully satisfied (Isaiah 44:3, Rev 22:17, John 7:37-39)
  • You are carried to another place (translated) (2 Ki 2:16), perhaps to another place on earth, or perhaps to heaven (2 Cor 12)
  • Your soul and body is quickened and strengthened (Eze 2:2, Eze 37:9, Rom 8:11)
  • You will succeed (Zec 4:6)
  • Supernatural physical strength (Jdg 14:6)
  • Powerful and effective prayers (Jud 1:20)
  • Freedom from fear, and a sound mind (2 Ti 1:7)
  • Victory over false prophets and evil (1 Jn 4:4)
  • Victory over the flesh (Gal 5:16)


This is what scripture reveals it means to receive power, these are the symptoms. As Jesus promised:

Act 1:8 But you shall receive power, the Holy Spirit coming upon you. And you shall be witnesses to Me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and to the end of the earth.
I like it woohoo, I am glad I am a Christian :D
 
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Let's take a good look at what experiences scripture associates with being filled with the Spirit. Being filled with the Spirit is not merely an intellectual doctrine, or an idea, or something you have to believe you are despite the evidence being contrary to it. There's nothing worse than trying to believe you are filled with the Spirit yet not feeling you are. Being filled with the Spirit, is an experience. And you will know you are filled with the Spirit whenever you have had any of the symptoms scripture describes. This is how people in the bible knew others were filled with the Spirit, whenever it says "and being filled with the Spirit.. they did this, or did that, or said this, or said that". Because the Spirit is invisible, the authors of the scripture (and us today) can only see the results of the Spirit's influence.

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ELDER Hawkins grinned as he approached the door. He and Sister Sarah had placed the Book of Mormon in four homes already this morning, and it wasn't yet noon. He rang the doorbell and stepped back. A tall, balding man wearing a large smile opened the door. Elder Hawkins saw the Watchtower magazine in the man's hand and his grin vanished.

"Come in, come in," the man bellowed. "Don't just stand there. Come in and let's get acquainted."

Hawkins ushered Sister Sarah in and followed. They sat on a couch that the man indicated. "Hello. I'm Elder Hawkins, and this is Sister Sarah. We're from the Church of-- "

"I know. I can read your little name tags. Tell me, what do you think of the situation in the Middle East? Do you think it's leading anywhere?"

Hawkins shrugged. "Actually, Mr.-- ?"

"Call me Jack. Jack Overton's my name."

"Jack, then. We're here to ask a few questions. Do you believe family is important in today's society?"

"Sure do," Jack nodded. "That's why me and my family are preparing ourselves to live forever in paradise on Earth. Are you?"

Hawkins blinked. "I hadn't really thought about --"

"You need to."

"Tell me, Jack. Do you believe that today's society is trying to tear down the fabric of the family?"

"They're tearing everything down. It's no accident that blood transfusions transmit AIDS, you know."

"Blood transfusions. Tell me this, Jack. Do you believe that life goes on after death?"

"No. When you die, consciousness ceases. The only way to come back is if Jehovah raises you again to live in paradise on Earth."

"Oh, then you do believe we can return and live with Heavenly Father."

"What does that mean?"

"Don't change the subject. Do you believe it or not?"

Jack considered. "Well, not exactly with him, but we can return here."

"And be exalted to live with Heavenly Father."

Jack shrugged. "If you insist on putting it that way. But not everybody will get to."

Hawkins took a breath. "You mean some people will go to hell."

"Hell no, I don't mean hell! There's no such thing."

Hawkins smiled. "So all can return and live with Heavenly Father."

"I'd still like to know what that means, but the answer is no. The ones who reject the truth go to oblivion. After they get their second chance, if they still reject it, they stay in oblivion."

"Second chance?"

"Don't you read your Bible? At the Last Judgment, where it says 'the books were opened.' That means --"

"Oh, you mean when our Brother Jesus returns."

"He's already here."

Hawkins flinched. "Where?"

"Here. On Earth."

Hawkins smiled at Sister Sarah. "Really? Where does he live?"

"Don't be silly. You can't see him. He's invisible, just like he was when his spirit rose from the dead."

"When his spirit-- Tell me this. Do you believe that God gave the Scriptures, insofar as they are correctly translated, to teach us how we can live with Heavenly Father?"

"Oh, yes. And we have the correct translation. It's called the New World Translation. "

"You have Joseph Smith's inspired translation?"

"Joseph who?"

"Sister Sarah is good at explaining prophecy. Go ahead, Sister."

Sarah cleared her throat. "Heavenly Father gave us the Scriptures through prophets who spoke for him. But the Bible wasn't enough."

"It's enough," Jack said, "But it's hard to understand without Watchtower study materials to interpret it."

"It isn't enough," Sarah said. "There's another Testament of Jesus Christ."

"Why do I want another one when the two I already have tell me all I need to know?"

Sarah frowned. "Because God gave it."

"Why would he do that?"

"Because he wanted to, I guess. It's called the Book of Mormon."

"It was written by a moron?"

"No, Moroni gave it to Joseph Smith."

Jack blinked. "The city councilman?"

"No, the prophet."

"I hear Councilman Smith makes lots of profits, that's for sure."

"Not profit, prophet." She gathered herself and tried again. "When he was fourteen, Joseph Smith had a vision of two personages. One pointed to the other and said, 'This is my beloved Son. Listen to him.' Who do you suppose that was?"

"This is all nice, but we really should be talking about Armageddon."

Hawkins said, "Yes. The final battle when Jesus returns."

"I told you, he's already here. He returned in 1914 and established the millennial kingdom."

Sarah stared. "But that's supposed to be when all the Jews return to Palestine and all the Mormons return to Missouri."

JACK laughed. "I don't know where your misery comes into it, but Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. He's in the process of driving out the devil's minions. The devil is the author of the Trinity doctrine."

Hawkins said, "You don't believe in a Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?"

"I do, but they're not all gods."

"Of course they are. There are lots of gods. The Father has a glorified body, so does the Son. He took up his exalted body and returned to Heavenly Father after he died on the cross."

"It wasn't a cross. It was an upright stake."

"I beg your pardon?"

Jack sighed. "At any rate, his death and spiritual resurrection gave us the prospect of eternal life on a restored Earth."

"Spiritual resurrection? What do you mean?"

"He didn't rise bodily. When he appeared to the disciples, he used different bodies as he pleased."

Hawkins shook his head. "You've got it all wrong. He laid down his life and took it up again, just like Heavenly Father did in ages past."

"You're saying Jehovah died and rose, too?"

"Not Jehovah, the Father."

"Isn't the Father Jehovah?"

"No, he's Adam."

"Adam who?"

"Adam, the first man in the Bible."

"You're kidding."

"Not at all. Brigham Young told us--"

"Who?"

"Brigham Young. He was the spiritual successor to Joseph Smith."

"The city councilman?"

Hawkins slapped the arm of the couch. "Will you stop that? I want to tell you what God revealed to us through his prophet, Joseph Smith!"

Jack leaned back. "Don't get so excited. Tell away."

HAWKINS took a deep breath. "Now, the Angel Moroni appeared to Joseph and told him where he could find some golden plates containing a book that told of an ancient Ameri_can civilization. He found them and translated them. They were written in Reformed Egyptian."

"What's Reformed Egyptian?"

"A language that nobody knows."

"Did your Joseph know it?"

"No."

"But he translated it."

"Yes!"

Jack scratched his head. "Where are these plates now?"

"The angel took them back to heaven."

Jack smiled. "That's too bad. It would have been nice to have a New World Translation of the Christian Reformed Egyptian Scriptures."

"Why? Joseph Smith translated them perfectly under God's inspiration."

"How do you know that?"

"I prayed to Heavenly Father and he showed me."

"How did he show you?"

"When something is true, don't you feel it? Isn't that feeling you get how you know it's true?"

"Oh, yes. That's how I know my Watchtower is true and this isn't."

"You're wrong. I feel that we're the true church."

"Your feeling is wrong. I feel that we're the right one."

"Your feeling is wrong."

"Is not."

"Is too."


"Is not." Jack stood. "I'm thirsty. Would you like some coffee?"

"We never pollute our bodies with coffee unless our church owns the company. Do you have any tomato juice?"

"I never buy tomato juice. It looks too much like blood, and the Scripture says you're not supposed to eat blood. It's no accident that blood transfusions transmit AIDS, you know."

Hawkins stood. "Tell you what. We need to be going. Just let me leave you with a thought. If you became convinced that these things are true, would you be baptized in the Mormon Church?"

"I've already been baptized into Jehovah's kingdom. Have you?"

"Not that I know of."

"That's too bad. You need to be baptized into his kingdom and then sell books and magazines so you can avoid oblivion. But don't worry. He'll give you a second chance when the books are opened, anyway."

Hawkins shook his head and opened the door for Sister Sarah. "Goodbye, Jack. Thanks for talking to us."

"Same to you," Jack said as he followed them to the door. "By the way, if you're going door-to-door, watch out for the lady two doors down. She's a Christian Scientist. Now there's a strange religion."

Hawkins glanced at Sister Sarah. "Thanks for the tip. We all need to be on guard against religious fruitcakes, don't we?"

Jack nodded. "Yes, don't we all."
 
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These certain disciples were followers of John the Baptist's; not followers of Jesus Christ. Paul had to tell them about Jesus Whom came after John and THEN they were baptized in Jesus' name and THEN they received the Holy Ghost for believing that Jesus is the One John the Baptist was preparing the way for.

If they were disciples of Jesus Christ, then why be baptized in His name unless it wasn't done from before as those that followed Jesus did?

John 4:When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

So these certain disciples were of John the Baptist's. That was the answer they gave to Paul as to what baptism they were of. They were not there when Jesus finally came. That was why Paul had to tell them about Him and thus the reason why then they were baptized in Jesus' name.
No biggy here, but I think you are adding this about them being John the baptist followers, for the Bible doesn't say that any where, John knew about the Holy Ghost he was filled with it while he was in the womb , and he preached that there would come one after him that would baptize with the spirit, I didn't say anything about who they were following and I don't think the bible did either, I said as the Bible did they were believers. so according to becused they had john's baptism, does that make the eunuch, that peter water baptised a follower of John even though John had been killed long before this, I don't think so!!Ac 8:34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?Ac 8:35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.Ac 8:36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?Ac 8:37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.Ac 8:38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
 
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Gee, people who believe in the Book of Mormon must be filled with the Spirit. They undergo similar experiences. And like you, they point to these biblical verses.

Feeling over Reason makes for chaos.

Just stating the experiences which the Word of God describes in being filled or empowered or influenced with the Spirit. It could also be said that reason without experience... well.. that's something else. Doctrine is not just about intellectual reasoning, but about action and experiences. Sound doctrine does not reject the gifts and power of the Spirit or the possible experiences of such.

I'm not a Mormon, there's the difference. But you know, I can find examples in scripture of the Spirit of God coming upon anyone, false prophets (eg Balaam, Numbers 24) and wicked men (John 11, Caiaphas), that might explain it. Which might explain how despite their prophecy and works of power, by the Spirit in His name, Christ never knew them:
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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  • Supernatural physical strength (Jdg 14:6) - no comment
  • Prophesying and knowledge of things to come ( Matt 10:20, Luke 1:67, Luke 1:41, 1 Sa 10:6, Joe 2:28, 2 Sa 23:2, 1 Pe 1:11) The second is correct, and false prophets are a phenomen of our time, and it's no surprise at all. You need to fail time to to be false prophet.
  • Ecstatic dancing and /or shouting (1 Sam 10:10, 1 Sam 19:20, 1 Sam 19:23, Num 11:25 ) !?
  • You will bear and bring good news, to heal, to release, to free (Isaiah 61). Sure we are all apostels..Cessationism in church history would be a nice topic.

Yes that is the way you have to treat the Word of God..Now I know how charismatic teachers "work". How easily people are deceived. I ask myself whether some references on certain points are seriously meant like it sounds.

Ecstasy, passiveness, spiritism and blasphemy. The bible discerns. Diabolus means ...?


Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2. Tim 2:15

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2. Peter 3:16

Hold fast the form of sound words. 2. Tim 1:13

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. 2. Tim 2:24-26

"If any man be ignorant let him be ignorant." Don't act like a child. Read 1. Corinthians 13 and 14. But eventually Paul only could say this.
 
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No biggy here, but I think you are adding this about them being John the baptist followers, for the Bible doesn't say that any where,


Acts 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Here, Paul investigated as to what kind of disciples they were. So Paul asked a question, hoping to find fellow believers in Jesus Christ.


2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Well, that certainly disproved they were believers in Jesus Christ. So he inquired further as to what kind of disciples they were.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Well, that answers that question. They were followers of John the Baptist's because only of John the Baptist's baptism had they received. So then Paul had to tell them about Jesus Christ.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

So now these certain disciples were told to believe on Jesus Christ.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Now they were baptized in Jesus' name and thus the promise of the Spirit came for these converts from Judaism.
6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

John knew about the Holy Ghost he was filled with it while he was in the womb , and he preached that there would come one after him that would baptize with the spirit, I didn't say anything about who they were following and I don't think the bible did either, I said as the Bible did they were believers.


Actually, they were addressed as "certain disciples"; not as believers. They were told to believe on Jesus and then they were baptized in His name.

so according to becused they had john's baptism, does that make the eunuch, that peter water baptised a follower of John even though John had been killed long before this
, I don't think so!!Ac 8:34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?Ac 8:35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.Ac 8:36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?Ac 8:37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.Ac 8:38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.]

The eunoch was reading about the prophet Esaias. When Philip talked with the eunoch about the prophet Esaias, he referred to Jesus Christ Whom the prophet Esaias ( not John the Baptist's) was speaking of. Then when he believed, he was baptized in Jesus' name afterwards. I agree that this eunoch was never a follower of John the Baptist, but I failed to see the relevance as to why you would think I would say that.

Acts 8:27And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 29Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 33In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
 
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Most bible commentaries I've read about those verses attribute them as being believers in Christ anyway, even though it says they were disciples of John, because believers in John were told to believe in the coming Messiah anyway, and John would have told them about Jesus coming to baptise them with the Holy Spirit, so they knew about all that already. So the Holy Spirit probably already dwelt in their heart by faith, as they believed God's promise, and were already water baptised, what they had not heard however, was the events of Pentecost, the miraculous outpouring of the Spirit as prophesied in Joel. Obviously they had heard of Christ, as Paul did not ask them if they had heard of Christ, rather he asked if they had heard of the Holy Ghost, or more specifically, the outpouring of the gifts and power at Pentecost. Perhaps they had not yet put their trust in Christ. Yet, the focus of these passages are on receiving the Holy Ghost, as the passage mentions nothing of water baptism of repentance and faith, and focusses upon the laying on of hands and receiving the Spirit and the signs of that (tongues and prophesy).

Regardless of whether they were John's disciples and did believe in Christ or not, the passage shows a few things.

1. The coming of the Holy Ghost upon (note upon, not within) them when Paul laid hands upon them.
2. The experience of them speaking in tongues and prophesying, both of which were common signs that a person had been filled with the Spirit (compare Acts 10, the Holy Ghost coming upon the gentiles). In Acts 10 :46 Peter said "For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God."
This is how they knew the Spirit had come upon people, by the observable signs and experiences.
 
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