THE WORD IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY
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So let's see, Christ is the head of the Church... He appointed people to lead His Church, and gave them the authority to act in His name. They have the authority to cut off others.... to make them excommunicated in a sense in order to protect His flock. And despite teaching one gospel, would express that gospel through a wide variety of methods/liturgies....
Gosh, wonder what church that could be?
A church that teaches ONE Gospel (The same gospel which has been passed down from Adam until today). Not a wide variety of methods/litergies. Which would be many gospels. IE, Not the church your thinking 
However, I don't believe in arminianism. But that's another topic.
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Exactly one way, and that way is Christ. In all the cases I mentioned they are still saved by Christ and the Grace of God. Quite frankly your insistence that God wrote the entirety of the Gospel on mens hearts is asinine. God wrote certain laws and the longing for Himself on the hearts of men, but he did not write the Gospel with every dot and tittle on their hearts. Your insistence on this consigns millions upon millions to damnation, who, through no fault of their own, did not get the chance to hear the Gospel preached.
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You don't get it do you. One way means one road. You are claiming there are many ways in which you can get to the same point. That is not one way, that is many. When you finally figure this out. You will finally be free.
So what your saying is that God is going to condemn many to hell even though he did not give them a chance. I don't know what Kind of god you follow. But the god of the universe is not that way. If he knows someone would acccept his truth. no matter what part of the earth they are on, He will send truth to them. He has many many times. You ever hear missionaries accounts?
So what your saying is that God is going to condemn many to hell even though he did not give them a chance. I don't know what Kind of god you follow. But the god of the universe is not that way. If he knows someone would acccept his truth. no matter what part of the earth they are on, He will send truth to them. He has many many times. You ever hear missionaries accounts?
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No not many ways. We are saved by God's grace, mercy, and the Sacrifice of Christ, yes? It's the same for all the cases I mentioned.
Yes I have read missionaries accounts, but for the cases I'm speaking of (e.g. the discovery of an unknown land) they don't quite fit. Are we to assume none of the Australian aborigines were willing to accept the truth until the British established a penal colony there? Are we to assume that none of the Native Americans would accept God's truth until the arrival of Europeans seeking a profit? Your view bases itself on the ridiculous assumption that none of the millions of native peoples around the world were willing to accept the truth for over a thousand years. Which coincidentally coincides with the Europeans gaining the ability to travel to these far off lands.
Were the Greeks ready to accept the truth and thats why the Apostles went there? Or was it because of it's geographical proximity to Asia Minor and Judaea? Were the Norse ready to accept the truth and thats why the Church sent missionaries there? Or was it because they were one of the only non-Christianized kingdoms in Europe?
Yes I have read missionaries accounts, but for the cases I'm speaking of (e.g. the discovery of an unknown land) they don't quite fit. Are we to assume none of the Australian aborigines were willing to accept the truth until the British established a penal colony there? Are we to assume that none of the Native Americans would accept God's truth until the arrival of Europeans seeking a profit? Your view bases itself on the ridiculous assumption that none of the millions of native peoples around the world were willing to accept the truth for over a thousand years. Which coincidentally coincides with the Europeans gaining the ability to travel to these far off lands.
Were the Greeks ready to accept the truth and thats why the Apostles went there? Or was it because of it's geographical proximity to Asia Minor and Judaea? Were the Norse ready to accept the truth and thats why the Church sent missionaries there? Or was it because they were one of the only non-Christianized kingdoms in Europe?
A church that teaches ONE Gospel (The same gospel which has been passed down from Adam until today). Not a wide variety of methods/litergies. Which would be many gospels. IE, Not the church your thinking
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hmm..
So I take one "normative" way to work, using my truck. But can also take other "non normative way" with my truck.
No matter how you slice it. I am using the same means (my Truck) but different ways.
God tells us there is one way, and one means. Adding different ways is teaching a different Gospel.
Again. This mocks of God's character. it says God would not send the gospel to someone he knows would accept it. And thus condemn them to hell.
This is NOT the God I know. He sent a man who feared for his own life to Ninevah, because he knew they would accept his gospel. We would be fools to think he owuld not do the same for anyone on earth.
God can not tell us (rom 1) someone will not have an excuse. if he does not give them an opportunity. or else he gave them an excuse.
So I take one "normative" way to work, using my truck. But can also take other "non normative way" with my truck.
No matter how you slice it. I am using the same means (my Truck) but different ways.
God tells us there is one way, and one means. Adding different ways is teaching a different Gospel.
Again. This mocks of God's character. it says God would not send the gospel to someone he knows would accept it. And thus condemn them to hell.
This is NOT the God I know. He sent a man who feared for his own life to Ninevah, because he knew they would accept his gospel. We would be fools to think he owuld not do the same for anyone on earth.
God can not tell us (rom 1) someone will not have an excuse. if he does not give them an opportunity. or else he gave them an excuse.
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Does not even come close. God speaks all languages. thus he would hear the same words.
that is not the same as saying one is saved by water baptism and the eucharist and other "normative ways" and someone else is saved by doing different ways (non normative). That would be like saying different prayers which are not the same. no matter what language it is spoken in.
satan has twisted Gods truth and his gospel. and it is sad people can't see it.
that is not the same as saying one is saved by water baptism and the eucharist and other "normative ways" and someone else is saved by doing different ways (non normative). That would be like saying different prayers which are not the same. no matter what language it is spoken in.
satan has twisted Gods truth and his gospel. and it is sad people can't see it.
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Still the same way. God dispenses grace (the way to work if you will) and we follow it in whatever form it may come.
I never said that. But your position necessarily requires us to accept that until the Europeans arrival none of the Native Americans were willing to accept the gospel, and were therefore damned.
Romans never says that God wrote the entirety of the gopsel on men's hearts. It is explained in Romans 1:20a that "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen". That is what God wrote on the hearts of men, not the gospel in it's fullness, but his eternal power and divinity. Basically put those that believe that there is a God have recognized these qualities, and in absence of the gospel being preached to them have done what God enabled them to do.
I never said that. But your position necessarily requires us to accept that until the Europeans arrival none of the Native Americans were willing to accept the gospel, and were therefore damned.
Romans never says that God wrote the entirety of the gopsel on men's hearts. It is explained in Romans 1:20a that "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen". That is what God wrote on the hearts of men, not the gospel in it's fullness, but his eternal power and divinity. Basically put those that believe that there is a God have recognized these qualities, and in absence of the gospel being preached to them have done what God enabled them to do.