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J
Mark 13:20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
The only thing the non-Calvinist can do is completely redefine what it means to "choose" and to "predetermine" in reference to God.
I just sent this in a PM and I'll post it here:
If one believes the Isrealites were God's chosen people, but that he chose them because they choose him first, then all that is happening is God is going along with what the Israelites had already determined they were going to do.
That is no different from salvation as a rule. If God chooses us because we were going to choose him, then all God is doing is looking to the future, as if examining a film strip, and approving what is going to happen.
The only thing the non-Calvinist can do is completely redefine what it means to "choose" and to "predetermine" in reference to God.
I just sent this in a PM and I'll post it here:
If one believes the Isrealites were God's chosen people, but that he chose them because they choose him first, then all that is happening is God is going along with what the Israelites had already determined they were going to do.
That is no different from salvation as a rule. If God chooses us because we were going to choose him, then all God is doing is looking to the future, as if examining a film strip, and approving what is going to happen.
It does not say "Who will have the elect to be timely saved by coming unto the knowledge of the truth."
It says:
1 Tim 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
All is NOT "all of the elect". All men means all men. I am aware that sometimes "all" does mean "all with a distinction", but not here. God is love, He loves all men, and wants every man to choose to come to Him.
It says:
1 Tim 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
All is NOT "all of the elect". All men means all men. I am aware that sometimes "all" does mean "all with a distinction", but not here. God is love, He loves all men, and wants every man to choose to come to Him.
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John 6:65, No man can come unto me, except if were given unto him of my Father.John 17:2, As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. If God gave him all mankind then all mankind would be given eternal life. John 6:39, And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but raise it up again at the last day.
Romans 11:33-36
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 34 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? 35 Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? 36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. ToHim be the glory forever. Amen.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 34 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? 35 Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? 36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. ToHim be the glory forever. Amen.
J
Yep, God shows mercy to all.
Got another one.
Acts 2:44
English Standard Version (ESV)
44And all who believed were together and had all things in common.
I say, let's take the traditional non-calvinist route of dealing with this and set up camp in the "all verses" and arbitrarily assign their meaning.
Got another one.
Acts 2:44
English Standard Version (ESV)
44And all who believed were together and had all things in common.
I say, let's take the traditional non-calvinist route of dealing with this and set up camp in the "all verses" and arbitrarily assign their meaning.
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