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Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Num 4:14 And they shall put upon it all the vessels thereof, wherewith they minister about it, even the censers, the fleshhooks, and the shovels, and the basons, all the vessels of the altar; and they shall spread upon it a covering of badgers' skins, and put to the staves of it.

Num 4:15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


Why did Jesus say Touch me not here,.... in a Garden,.... to a woman,
After all many touch Him before this, and after, but not here why?

Blessings :)
 
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I could not find the verse I was looking for but if something unclean touches something clean then they both become unclean. The holy Spirit was not given at that time so the woman was not clean. Jesus was a holy sacrifice so his blood had to go on the alter in heaven undefiled.

Numbers 19:22 Anything that an unclean person touches becomes unclean, and anyone who touches it becomes unclean till evening." Num 19:22
 
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Shilo said:
I could not find the verse I was looking for but if something unclean touches something clean then they both become unclean. The holy Spirit was not given at that time so the woman was not clean. Jesus was a holy sacrifice so his blood had to go on the alter in heaven undefiled.

Numbers 19:22 Anything that an unclean person touches becomes unclean, and anyone who touches it becomes unclean till evening." Num 19:22
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Hi shilo
Yes, I thought the same thing too until I read this:

Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Everything you stated is true, but I feel like I'm missing something.

As I quoted the scripture in Num. I know they had to cover everything in the Tabernacle, before it could be moved.

And many touched Him before the cross, so ........

Just thinking,.........He couldn't have been Unveiled or Uncovered, she wouldn't
have even been able to look upon Him lest she die, or at least I don't think.
Like you said without the Holy Spirit.

And I think there has to be some kind of a conection to Eve, in the Garden.
And a part of our Redemption, He paid for , you know "Touch me not"
Thats what Eve said. similar anyhow.

I dont' know. Still diggin. Still meditating on it.


Israel, If your reading this, do you have anything?:eek:
 
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I hope this helps...this is a commentary from Barnes

Touch me not ... - This passage has given rise to a variety of interpretations. Jesus required Thomas to touch him John 20:27, and it has been difficult to ascertain why he forbade this now to Mary. The reason why he directed Thomas to do this was, that he doubted whether he had been restored to life. Mary did not doubt that. The reason why he forbade her to touch him now is to be sought in the circumstances of the case. Mary, filled with joy and gratitude, was about to prostrate herself at his feet, disposed to remain with him, and offer him there her homage as her risen Lord. This is probably included in the word touch in this place; and the language of Jesus may mean this: "Do not approach me now for this purpose. Do not delay here. Other opportunities will yet be afforded to see me. I have not yet ascended - that is, I am not about to ascend immediately, but shall remain yet on earth to afford opportunity to my disciples to enjoy my presence." From Matthew 28:9, it appears that the women, when they met Jesus, held him by the feet and worshipped him. This species of adoration it was probably the intention of Mary to offer, and this, at that time, Jesus forbade, and directed her to go at once and give his disciples notice that he had risen.
 
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Hi Christena,

Thank you, yes, the language there means more than touch me not,
my bible margin says, "to don't be holding me, " It also says, ....for I am not yet.....

margin ... says This gives the reason for the prohibition. He afterwards allowed the women to hold Him by the
feet. On this day, the morrow ater the Sabbath, the high Priest would be waving the sheaf of the firstfruits
before the Lord (lev.23:10, 11) while He, the firstfruits from the dead (1cor. 15,23) would be fulfilling the type
by presenting Himself before the Father.
And I understand this part of it.

But it's this part that I'm stuck on, and don't mean to be, but I believe there is something more that is right there.
concerning The Garden and Eve, I don't know why.

But sometimes it helps to talk it out ya know?
I woke up with this on my mind and can't seem to shake it.
 
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Leviticus 23:

9And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

10Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

12And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

13And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

14And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

She could not touch Him because He had not yet ascended to the Father as the wave offering made acceptable. He was literally raised a new creature and therefore she could not partake of that bread until it was accepted.

He is declared to be the Son of God by resurrection from the dead.
 
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Israel said:
Leviticus 23:

9And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

10Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

12And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

13And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

14And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

She could not touch Him because He had not yet ascended to the Father as the wave offering made acceptable. He was literally raised a new creature and therefore she could not partake of that bread until it was accepted.

He is declared to be the Son of God by resurrection from the dead.
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I knew it ! I knew there had to be more, thank you Israel,....

So then the conection to Eve, was that she (I believe is a reflection of Adam's desires or the soul in all of us) partook of the Law, (for without the Law there is no knowledge of sin) and caused Death to pass upon all souls. Because Adam is our Beginning, and Christ is our ending.

And there it is,.. The Redemption of deception. Yes, ....I love it. I knew there had to be a reason for the
Garden and the woman. I love to see how He redeems us in every way. Love the details.
A Recovering of sight.

When He was received up and accepted by The Father, now we can approach Him, Handle Him, The Word of Life.


There may be more but for now,
Thank ya'll so much.
 
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Hi 2knowhim..

I want to clarify something for you in the scripture: This is the NIV

Genesis 2:15 -this is God speaking
15The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Genesis 3: 2-3- this is the devil speaking
The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

God never told Adam not to touch the tree...the devil took the word of God a twisted it. He did that in the garden and he still does it today to confuse and decieve
 
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In Leviticus chapter 16,Aaron,and every high priest after that,had to every year go in to the holy place,and sprinkle blood before the mercy seat,and on the mercy seat.

There was to be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation until the high priest came out,and made an atonement for himself,and for his household,and for all the congregation of Israel.

In Hebrews chapter 9,Jesus is the High Priest,who by His own blood entered in to the holy place,which is set in heaven.

It could be that the high priest in the Old Testament could not be touched physically,until the high priest came out of the tabernacle,and had made an atonement for himself,his household,and for Israel.

It could be that Jesus could not be touched physically,until He ascended to the Father,and His shed blood applied to the holy place,in the heaven,to make an atonement for the sins of the world.

But after Jesus ascended and entered in to the holy place to apply His blood,in the heaven,and came back,He allowed Thomas to touch Him.
 
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Christena said:
Hi 2knowhim..

I want to clarify something for you in the scripture: This is the NIV

Genesis 2:15 -this is God speaking
15The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Genesis 3: 2-3- this is the devil speaking
The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

God never told Adam not to touch the tree...the devil took the word of God a twisted it. He did that in the garden and he still does it today to confuse and decieve
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Yes, I absolutely agree, that's why I believe that this whole garden senerio with mary had purpose.
To show us that He had reversed things, what the enemy did in the beginning, Christ redeemed us
from, and made things anew. I mean why a woman? why a garden Tomb? this is a picture of the beginning.
 
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mpaper345 said:
In Leviticus chapter 16,Aaron,and every high priest after that,had to every year go in to the holy place,and sprinkle blood before the mercy seat,and on the mercy seat.

There was to be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation until the high priest came out,and made an atonement for himself,and for his household,and for all the congregation of Israel.

In Hebrews chapter 9,Jesus is the High Priest,who by His own blood entered in to the holy place,which is set in heaven.

It could be that the high priest in the Old Testament could not be touched physically,until the high priest came out of the tabernacle,and had made an atonement for himself,his household,and for Israel.

It could be that Jesus could not be touched physically,until He ascended to the Father,and His shed blood applied to the holy place,in the heaven,to make an atonement for the sins of the world.

But after Jesus ascended and entered in to the holy place to apply His blood,in the heaven,and came back,He allowed Thomas to touch Him.
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Yes, I can see all that, like I said I understood that part of it , but why the Woman, why the garden Tomb?
And now it's falling in to place.

Thank you
 
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This is only a possibility. However, after the resurrection, no longer were the disciples or those that believed He was the Christ to know him after the flesh or discern Him through their senses as being with Him. They had the testimony of (1Jn 1:1) before His death and now they were to know him no more after the flesh (2Cor 5:16). The time had come that He was to ascend to the Father and from that point on, until He returned, they would have to exercise themselves by faith and the Holy Spirit would have to bring to their remembrance the things that He had taught them through the word. The disciples and those that would believe upon Him afterwards through the testimony of their words would have to know Him in the power of His resurrection by faith.

On the day of the resurrection He met two men on the road to the village of Emmaus and their eyes were held back from knowing Him. As He enquired as to their sadness and opened to them the Scriptures concerning Himself, their hearts did burn within but they did not know Him until He broke bread with them and vanished out of their sight (Lk 24:15-32). They were only allowed to know Him through the word and the breaking of bread.

The tree of knowledge that was placed in the midst of the garden was not to be eaten by Adam or by the woman that God had given him. It was forbidden fruit that would result in death. The woman, in her conversation with the serpent, stated that she was not to touch it. All the other fruit from the trees in the garden she would have to touch in order to eat it but without the consequence of death.

But the serpent was able to get her to mentally consider this fruit of knowledge with her mind by contradicting what God had said (Gen 3:4). This is what iniquity does (mystery of iniquity at work - 2Thes 2:7) and the serpent got the woman to consider the fruit mentally and with her senses of sight (lust of the eyes) and touch (lust of the flesh) and it was enough to get her to desire it, eat it and give to her husband (pride of life). Something to consider.
 
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Thanks everyone this has been helpful. The fall happened in a garden with a women. the first to hear the good news of the redemption was a woman from the 2nd Adam. Death came in a garden and so did life.
 
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Red33 said:
This is only a possibility. However, after the resurrection, no longer were the disciples or those that believed He was the Christ to know him after the flesh or discern Him through their senses as being with Him. They had the testimony of (1Jn 1:1) before His death and now they were to know him no more after the flesh (2Cor 5:16). The time had come that He was to ascend to the Father and from that point on, until He returned, they would have to exercise themselves by faith and the Holy Spirit would have to bring to their remembrance the things that He had taught them through the word. The disciples and those that would believe upon Him afterwards through the testimony of their words would have to know Him in the power of His resurrection by faith.

On the day of the resurrection He met two men on the road to the village of Emmaus and their eyes were held back from knowing Him. As He enquired as to their sadness and opened to them the Scriptures concerning Himself, their hearts did burn within but they did not know Him until He broke bread with them and vanished out of their sight (Lk 24:15-32). They were only allowed to know Him through the word and the breaking of bread.

The tree of knowledge that was placed in the midst of the garden was not to be eaten by Adam or by the woman that God had given him. It was forbidden fruit that would result in death. The woman, in her conversation with the serpent, stated that she was not to touch it. All the other fruit from the trees in the garden she would have to touch in order to eat it but without the consequence of death.

But the serpent was able to get her to mentally consider this fruit of knowledge with her mind by contradicting what God had said (Gen 3:4). This is what iniquity does (mystery of iniquity at work - 2Thes 2:7) and the serpent got the woman to consider the fruit mentally and with her senses of sight (lust of the eyes) and touch (lust of the flesh) and it was enough to get her to desire it, eat it and give to her husband (pride of life). Something to consider.
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Yes indeed, it is something to consider, how do we fall from Grace?
Doesn't Paul tell us, that it's to go back under Law? into the bondage That Christ Had
set us free from? How does the enemy have right to Accuse us today? only if we are under
Law. And I say under Law,(that type of mentality) not the Righteousness of the Law that is written on our Hearts, but the Letter that kills.
Why else would the devil dispute over the body of Moses? (The Law giver)
Another subject for another time.

Thank you Red
 
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Shilo said:
Thanks everyone this has been helpful. The fall happened in a garden with a women. the first to hear the good news of the redemption was a woman from the 2nd Adam. Death came in a garden and so did life.
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Amen, Shilo, you see it too, Yea!

Blessings
 
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Jesus saying do not touch Me has nothing to do with the garden of Eden and Eve.

Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament tabernacle plan(Hebrews 9),in the spiritual sense,so look to Jesus as related to that fulfilling it spiritually,not anything to do with Eve and the garden.

And since Jesus said do not touch Me,for I have not ascended to the Father,has to be a part of fulfilling the Old Testament plan,spiritually,in which He applied His blood to the holy place,in the heaven.

It has nothing to do with Eve and the garden.
 
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Israel gave the answer for do not touch. the 2 gardens show reconciliation. The fall started in a garden and the way back was shown in a garden. colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things whetheron earth or things in heaven by making peace through his blood. the blood shed on earth and brought to heaven. the garden and the woman are just a symbol of that reconciliation.
 
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I think this has more to do with Christ's state at the time, Ressurected fully, being Pure and full indwelling of The Holy Spirit.

Completely separated from this flesh realm, though still here.

When the Tabranacle was portable in the OT, it had staves on it more so for the fact that no one was to touch it, except for The High Preist and even he had much preparation before doing so; its a lot of those other 600 laws that Christ nailed to the cross with Him.(but NOT all)

The Tabranacle of the OT, inside the veil, in the Holy of Holies, IS where to find GODS Holy Spirit and His, The Fathers guideance; Intellectualy.

One of Davids close comrads was struck down dead for reaching out and touching it, when the men carrying it stumbled :eek: Like God would Allow it to fall :D but thats what can happen when one doubts.

As far as connections in the garden; this could NEVER be figured out in a English, Chineese, Russian, or whatever translation of The WORD you have; ONLY IN HEBREW.

But something you may want to consider is; that it is after Et'hadam & Eve are defiled by satan, that someone says to someone :confused: Look now the man has become as one of US! knowing both good (before defilement) and evil (after defiement)

Forever in Christ :)
 
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