Was the Virgin Mary conceived without sin (Immaculate Conception)? No.

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OldOrthodoxChristian

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Was the Virgin Mary conceived without sin ("original" sin/ancestral sin) (Immaculate Conception)? No.


Orthodox View on Immaculate Conception

www.antiochianarch.org.au/Orthodox-view-on-Immaculate-Conception.aspx

Pope Pius IX declared the Papist dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary in 1854 AD. Martin Luther, the Protestant Reformer, did believe in the immaculate conception of Mary without original sin.

The Roman Catholic "saint" THomas Aquinas, and the Roman Catholic
"saint" Bernard of Clairvaux, did not believe in the Immaculate conception of Mary without original sin, and in fact they both spoke out against it.

The EOC (Eastern Orthodox Church) does not believe the Virgin Mary

was conceived without any sin.

She was born with the ancestral sin and mortality.

She did not commit any actual sins, as far as the Church Fathers say,
or any sins of hers, if there was any, was expiated by her Son Jesus Christ. She was saved by Christ her Saviour.
Her spirit rejoiced in God her Saviour.

God bless us and Blessed is the Ever-Virgin Mary. Amen.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

PS If Mary was conceived without sin, she would be a member of

the Godhead, and would be divine, a Divine Person. She would not

have ever died. But she did die without sin. Her death is called

the Dormition of the Ever-Virgin Mary.

Tradition has it that after her death, she was assumed bodily, body, soul, and spirit, into Heaven, to stand at the right hand of Christ her Son.




 
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OldOrthodoxChristian said:
...But she did die without sin.
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Really? My bible says:

Rom 3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

...and many more.

Mary sinned. All men (inclusive of women) sin.

Her death is called the Dormition of the Ever-Virgin Mary.
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Where did THAT come from? Not the bible...

Tradition has it that after her death, she was assumed bodily, body, soul, and spirit, into Heaven, to stand at the right hand of Christ her Son.
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Yet another instance where tradition is far from truth.
 
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OldOrthodoxChristian

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shroom2 said:
Really? My bible says:

Rom 3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

...and many more.

Mary sinned. All men (inclusive of women) sin.


Where did THAT come from? Not the bible...


Yet another instance where tradition is far from truth.
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Tradition is NOT far from Truth according to 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Where does Scripture predict
the true Church would arise in Germany 1517 years after Christ?
Lutheranism and every form of Protestantism is far from the Truth.
No Scripture says "Mary sinned". There are some besides God who have not sinned. The holy Angels.
If it can happen to them, why couldn't it happen to the Mother of God, the Virgin Mary?
What does "full of grace" mean if it doesn't mean blameless?
Who on earth is worthy to call the Virgin Mary a sinner?
Answer: No one.
 
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I always thought the immaculate conception was her conception of a child by the Holy Spirit (without fornication).

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(Also, may I ask you not to say every form of Protestantism is far from the truth.) (... -- as God is judge.)

Best wishes,

Steve
 
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OldOrthodoxChristian

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Steve4U said:
I always thought the immaculate conception was her conception of a child by the Holy Spirit (without fornication).

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(Also, may I ask you not to say every form of Protestantism is far from the truth.) (... -- as God is judge.)

Best wishes,

Steve
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Dear Steve:
Christ said, "You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free." Are you saying Christ didn't say the Truth here, and no one can make a judgment about what the Truth is? No one can know the Truth about Protestantism, then? Yes God is only completely infallible judge. But that doesn't mean certain men and women can't make sufficiently infallible findings as to what the Truth is. Otherwise there is no one who can judge what the Truth is, that makes us free.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 
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