What constitutes a wolf in sheep's clothing?

[know1]

This also is the 'Word of God' which you forgot to respond to...


And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: (1Jn 5:14)

There, I made it easy and hope you not only see, but ponder what is in red.

Some years ago, archaeologists found a tooth in the ground. They looked at it from the perspective of evolution, and made a complete neanderthal man from just one tooth!
You are doing likewise in building a complete doctrine from only one verse.
Never use just one verse to form a doctrine.
I don't know how many verses in the bible support what I have been saying and they all say the same thing only a little differently each time. There are many many verses in the bible that not only back up speaking God's word in the name of Jesus, but tell us to do the same.
And how can you tell someone that something doesn't work like that, when the fruit they have been getting for years says otherwise?
Like one preacher said, you got to me too late. That faith stuff that went out with the apostles, along with the gifts,...
You don't have and it doesn't work for you, simply because you don't believe it. It works just fine for those who know and understand. Especially with children or those with child like faith.

 

[Allin]

You are a wise and godly man sir. I am impressed and have not found many with your insight and knowledge of God's word concerning this subject. It was also very well said or written. Very nice indeed.
Thank you. I could learn some things from you, I am sure.

You're the first one I've heard say that the seed (the unseen inner character) is the fruit Jesus talked about (in so many words). I haven't heard anyone who noticed that because, let's face it, it's hard to see 'seed' when Jesus is saying 'fruits'. I am a man who wants only one thing: my own family. That's the serious side of things. Everything else outside of that is just for fun.

 

[know1]

You're the first one I've heard say that the seed (the unseen inner character) is the fruit Jesus talked about (in so many words). I haven't heard anyone who noticed that because, let's face it, it's hard to see 'seed' when Jesus is saying 'fruits'. I am a man who wants only one thing: my own family. That's the serious side of things. Everything else outside of that is just for fun.

Then perhaps it really was God that revealed these things to us, for no one told me these things and others, but what I heard from within. Everything I hear, is back up with scripture. I mean, I am give scripture verses with it.
No all things I believe have been by revelation, but this one was.

 

[Yet]

Career preachers and teachers. They charge for their wares. 2Cor. 2:17 but we r not as many that corrupt the word of God.
Corrupt: Greek: kapeleuo: trade in for profit. To peddle. To sell for money. To take a salary for your ministry.
These are hirelings. Hireling:greek: misthotos: one who is hired. Hire: to pay money for services rendered.
They care not for the sheep. Wolves. Prophets for profit.
Some care for the poor but they are in a real pickle. If they teach you are robbing God by not tithing then turn around and tell grandma Jones she's exempt from tithing because she is poor, then this is a real pickle don't ya see? You dont want to force her to pay up, yet you teach, on the other hand, she's robbing God.
The only way to swing it is to have her pay the tithe then turn around and give it right back to her. This will make God happy...right?
Im digressing. Not a problem for most pastors. She'd better pay it period. Avoid all the fuss.

 

[Allin]

Then perhaps it really was God that revealed these things to us, for no one told me these things and others, but what I heard from within. Everything I hear, is back up with scripture. I mean, I am give scripture verses with it.
No all things I believe have been by revelation, but this one was.

God's primary way of communicating with us always has been and still is by revelation. Before Peter said that Jesus was the Son of God, he and the other disciples knew it 'in their heads' (i.e. by personal belief): Jesus spoke like no one else, cast out demons (no one had seen that before), did miracles, healed people. When Nathanael met Jesus, he said that Jesus was definitely the Son of God. (Jn. 1:45-51.) So, the disciples knew 'in their heads' (of their own belief) that Jesus was the Son of God. But when Jesus asked them who they believed He was in Matt. 16 and Peter answered correctly, Jesus said, "Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but My Father in heaven" (v. 17). 'Flesh and blood' does not only mean 'other people'; it also means Peter himself as he also was flesh and blood. When God doesn't reveal a thing, then we believe things (both true and false); but when God reveals a thing, then we know things (all true).

The knowledge that Jesus was the Son of God did not come from Peter's own ability to believe (i.e. from seeing the miracles, hearing the teaching, seeing the authority); it came from God so that it was independent of what Peter had experienced (just as the knowledge that Jesus was the Son of God came to John the Baptist solely by the revelation of the Holy Spirit-- Jn. 1:32-34). We've become accustomed to learning things on our own (i.e. through Bible study, seminary, listening to ministers, studying Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, etc.), but God wants us to learn primarily through the revelation of the Holy Spirit: "When He, the Holy Spirit, comes, He will guide you into all the truth..." (Jn. 16:33.)

So, if your primary method of learning is directly by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, then you are in front of the classroom (the teacher's pet so to speak) and are learning things in the primary way the Teacher wants all the students to learn which is and always will be through revelation: "You have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things... The anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you [because] the anointing teaches you concerning all things" (1Jn. 2:20, 27).

 

[know1]

God's primary way of communicating with us always has been and still is by revelation. Before Peter said that Jesus was the Son of God, he and the other disciples knew it 'in their heads' (i.e. by personal belief): Jesus spoke like no one else, cast out demons (no one had seen that before), did miracles, healed people. When Nathanael met Jesus, he said that Jesus was definitely the Son of God. (Jn. 1:45-51.) So, the disciples knew 'in their heads' (of their own belief) that Jesus was the Son of God. But when Jesus asked them who they believed He was in Matt. 16 and Peter answered correctly, Jesus said, "Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but My Father in heaven" (v. 17). 'Flesh and blood' does not only mean 'other people'; it also means Peter himself as he also was flesh and blood. When God doesn't reveal a thing, then we believe things (both true and false); but when God reveals a thing, then we know things (all true).

The knowledge that Jesus was the Son of God did not come from Peter's own ability to believe (i.e. from seeing the miracles, hearing the teaching, seeing the authority); it came from God so that it was independent of what Peter had experienced (just as the knowledge that Jesus was the Son of God came to John the Baptist solely by the revelation of the Holy Spirit-- Jn. 1:32-34). We've become accustomed to learning things on our own (i.e. through Bible study, seminary, listening to ministers, studying Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, etc.), but God wants us to learn primarily through the revelation of the Holy Spirit: "When He, the Holy Spirit, comes, He will guide you into all the truth..." (Jn. 16:33.)

So, if your primary method of learning is directly by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, then you are in front of the classroom (the teacher's pet so to speak) and are learning things in the primary way the Teacher wants all the students to learn which is and always will be through revelation: "You have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things... The anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you [because] the anointing teaches you concerning all things" (1Jn. 2:20, 27).

Again, I agree.
There was one guy on this forum who wanted to mentor me, I think, because he wanted me to listen to some teaching from I don't know who, that I might learn the truth. He didn't like, no thanks, for an answer and got upset with me and wanted to know why. I felt like, if I were to listen or learn from this guy's denomination, that it would pollute what and how I was learning, and told him that God is the one who has been teaching me things, even hearing His voice on occasion, once by yelling very loudly at me. But every time He would say something to me, He would give scripture with it, along with a revelation of that verse. The time He screamed in my ears, He told me what the verse really meant with the revelation of knowing. I don't just think of these things and try to find it in the bible, they come to me with a scripture verse, sometime with a small voice.
There was one subject that God was leading me into concerning the heart of God, and gave me a verse with it. And I was fine with that for a little while, then started to doubt. So I asked God if I heard that right, and He affirmed it with a yes and another verse.
This went on for 5 or 6 times, I would get revelation on a verse and afterwards I would start to doubt, because I never heard anyone teach on the subject or say anything about it, ever.
After God told and showed me a little of what the heart of man really was, He then told me that Jesus was the heart of God, and that is what I had a hard time excepting and believing.
Now, I'm not saying that I haven't ever learned anything from preachers. I have, and more than once. I even got delivered by revelation from what a baptist minister taught.
But I wouldn't trade hearing and learning from God for anything or anyone. I LOVE being taught by God!!!

 

[Allin]

There was one subject that God was leading me into concerning the heart of God, and gave me a verse with it. And I was fine with that for a little while, then started to doubt. So I asked God if I heard that right, and He affirmed it with a yes and another verse.

This went on for 5 or 6 times, I would get revelation on a verse and afterwards I would start to doubt, because I never heard anyone teach on the subject or say anything about it, ever.

After God told and showed me a little of what the heart of man really was, He then told me that Jesus was the heart of God, and that is what I had a hard time excepting and believing.

Now, I'm not saying that I haven't ever learned anything from preachers. I have, and more than once. I even got delivered by revelation from what a baptist minister taught.

But I wouldn't trade hearing and learning from God for anything or anyone. I LOVE being taught by God!!!

Paul said, "Love is patient; Love is kind" (1Cor. 13). If you have another voice or spirit 'teaching you' and posing as God, it doesn't have the ability to be patient and kind when you keep doubting and asking about the very same things. When you receive a revelation but keep doubting and have to keep receiving, if the 'voice' that continues to "teach you all things" is patient and kind, then the chances are high that the 'voice' is really God. "[God] is patient; [God] is kind."

Yes, if you haven't heard teaching on something and God is the only one saying it, it can be hard to believe; but God knows we don't know much and that we doubt, so He is patient. I have learned the same things over and over (with more revelation and understanding added) since '98. No matter how slow or fearful you may be, as long as you want to learn from Him, "[God] is patient; [God] is kind."

Yes, when God teaches us, He teaches us about His heart or what He really is like. When we love someone, we want them to know who we are (at least a little at a time). God doesn't teach us about what He did alone; He teaches us to see a God of Love in the OT and a God of judgment in the NT. I.e. He teaches us all of who He is and what He's like primarily, and that opens His Word to us. No matter what church or fellowship I sit in, He begins revealing or unfolding things to me that are on His heart (and sometimes breathes on what the minister is sharing) even though most of the time what He shares is nothing of what the minister is sharing. Learning by revelation is the best, fastest, easiest, and prescribed way for Christians (Eph. 1:16-21), and God wants all Christians to learn and live by revelation which is the foundation of the Church that the enemy cannot prevail against.