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What if?
What if the Seals are broken,
The trumpets sound
And the wrath is poured out
In that order?
What if the Seals represent the Nature of Adam in all of us,
The first born in Egypt, and had to die?
What if the Trumpets that sound are the Voice of God that is signified by the seven things spoken from the Cross?
What if the Wrath of God was poured out upon our Lord and all was accomplished in and through Him already?
In 3 ½ yrs. Or 42 mths.
Would you think me insane, out of my mind, or beside myself?
If I believe this, would you still call me apart of the body?
Would I still be welcome in your company?
Or
What if this was Truth?
Would it cause an Earthquake to happen inside, that would rock your world,
Maybe shake the very foundation of what you have believed up to this point?
Or
Would it simply be ignored, and wrote off as another form of deceitful doctrine?
What if?
 
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What if Santa Claus was Apostle Paul? And Luke was the Easter Bunny?

Revelations was written after Jesus death., why write something after Jesus death if it has no practical application for us?
 
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Wasn't the whole new testament written after His Death?

And as far as the practical application is concerned, I think
It is very applicable to come to know in depth what, and how
much was accomplished in Him for our Redemption.
 
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What if?





What if the Seals are broken,



The seals were broken when the lamb opened them up. You are obviously still learning and have missed the fact that Jesus was the only one worthy to open up the seals, but it's good you brought this subject up. Now it can be added to you. I havn't read the replies to your questions, so forgive me if someone has already informed you.



So the seals are already opened, otherwise we would not know what was contained in them.


Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not, behold the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.


Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,.....

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened up the second seal....

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened up the third seal....

Rev 6:7 And when he had opened up the fourth seal.....

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened up the fifth seal....

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened up the seventh seal....



The trumpets sound




And the wrath is poured out



In that order?
Yes, in that order. And that is how the Christians who will still be alive during that time, know exactly what event will come next. The Trumpets, correspond to the Vials. Same thing.



What if the Seals represent the Nature of Adam in all of us,


The first born in Egypt, and had to die?

I don't know where you got that idea from? The seals tell us exactly what is contained in them. It is revealing what is going to happen...


What if the Trumpets that sound are the Voice of God that is signified by the seven things spoken from the Cross?

Please elaborate?

What if the Wrath of God was poured out upon our Lord and all was accomplished in and through Him already?


In 3 ½ yrs. Or 42 mths.

Why would the wrath of God be poured out on our Lord? The wrath of God is poured out on all who persecuted Jesus and his saints, and those who recieved the mark of the beast.

Rev 8:8 And there followed another angel saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.


Rev 8:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worshipo the beast and his image, and recieve his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 8:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture, into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the lamb.


Would you think me insane, out of my mind, or beside myself?



If I believe this, would you still call me apart of the body?



Would I still be welcome in your company?
No, I would think that you are lacking knowledge, and should read more, and if you want to be part of the body, you should be feeding yourself on the flesh of Christ, and not being too wise in your own opinion. eg. telling others off, and telling them that they don't know what they are talking about.

To know if you are part of the body. Yes we can tell. By what comes out of your mouth, regardless of your beliefs.

Or



What if this was Truth?



Would it cause an Earthquake to happen inside, that would rock your world,



Maybe shake the very foundation of what you have believed up to this point?


Or


Would it simply be ignored, and wrote off as another form of deceitful doctrine?



What if?
If this was truth, then you would have to back it up with scripture and show us that we are all wrong. Would it shake our foundations? NO, we love truth.


:rolleyes:
 
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What if?

What if the Seals are broken,

We are on seal 5. Scrolls can't be open until ALL the seals are removed, the seals are like locks. Revelation tells us what happens after Jesus opens the seals not what the scroll actually says. remember the seven thunders and the silence of Heaven after the seventh seal?



The trumpets sound
And the wrath is poured out
In that order?
ok....


What if the Seals represent the Nature of Adam in all of us,
seems like a stretch will read it again and get back to you after commenting on the rest of the post....

The first born in Egypt, and had to die?
yes there is a verse that says the flesh which comes first must die so that the spiritual nature will live, and you have all the allegory about the older serving the younger. How we are given a NEW heart and NEW spirit from Jesus which is to overcome the old sinful nature we inherited from Adam.


What if the Trumpets that sound are the Voice of God that is signified by the seven things spoken from the Cross?
will look into it

What if the Wrath of God was poured out upon our Lord and all was accomplished in and through Him already?
In 3 ½ yrs. Or 42 mths.
interesting but my initial thought is no that really doesn't sound right. the wrath is upon the world before its destroyed and replaced.....


Would you think me insane, out of my mind, or beside myself?

If I believe this, would you still call me apart of the body?
Would I still be welcome in your company?

Or

What if this was Truth?
nope wouldn't make a difference with how I treat you because God tells us to love everyone and bless all we encounter, not curse and ridicule them. So you would be welcomed in my company and if it is the truth then I have faith that God will reveal it to me if He desires for me to know and believe it.


Would it cause an Earthquake to happen inside, that would rock your world,
Maybe shake the very foundation of what you have believed up to this point?
Or
Would it simply be ignored, and wrote off as another form of deceitful doctrine?

What if?
it wouldn't cause an earthquake for I know how little I truly know and how much wisdom of the world is nothing but foolishness but the wisdom from above can save and redeem souls.

My foundation is Christ Jesus who died for my sins even when I was a sinner He called to me and washed me clean. He teaches me and loves me and leads me to green pastures. I doubt anything you say or do can shake that foundation.

I don't write off anything because behind every deceitful doctrine is a lie and sometimes a demon and those need to be bound and prayed about so that the person who believes might be set free and come to the fullness and maturity in Christ Jesus. I know I have been deceived in the past and by God's grace been free of many sins and deceptions, therefore I know that daily prayer and forgiveness is needed for oneself and for those one encounters.
 
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We are on seal 5.
Ooh thats interesting, I missed of missed something?

Tell me

when did the fourth seal open? You do know that the fourth seal (pale horse) is the false prophet riding....and death follows him.

When did the false prophet get here?
When did he persecute and behead all the christians for not taking the mark?
When did the mark come out?

Scrolls can't be open until ALL the seals are removed, the seals are like locks
The lamb opened up all the seals, didn't you read that in revelations? Each seal reveals to us what is going to happen.

A seal is a seal.
Certified, and unopened. The lamb opened up all seals. All seven of them.

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Revelation tells us what happens after Jesus opens the seals not what the scroll actually says. remember the seven thunders and the silence of Heaven after the seventh seal?
Interesting again...Because theres a lot of information contained in those seals. The scrolls were sealed and the lamb opened them up. Now we know what the scroll says. And we can understand it too because it is revealed to us by the lamb. Opened.

The seven thunders? will get back to you. Have to study it further. I'm sure theres a logical explaination that we can't see just yet. Just have to dig deeper.
 
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We are on seal 5. Scrolls can't be open until ALL the seals are removed, the seals are like locks. Revelation tells us what happens after Jesus opens the seals not what the scroll actually says. remember the seven thunders and the silence of Heaven after the seventh seal?




ok....

seems like a stretch will read it again and get back to you after commenting on the rest of the post....

yes there is a verse that says the flesh which comes first must die so that the spiritual nature will live, and you have all the allegory about the older serving the younger. How we are given a NEW heart and NEW spirit from Jesus which is to overcome the old sinful nature we inherited from Adam.



will look into it



interesting but my initial thought is no that really doesn't sound right. the wrath is upon the world before its destroyed and replaced.....

nope wouldn't make a difference with how I treat you because God tells us to love everyone and bless all we encounter, not curse and ridicule them. So you would be welcomed in my company and if it is the truth then I have faith that God will reveal it to me if He desires for me to know and believe it.



it wouldn't cause an earthquake for I know how little I truly know and how much wisdom of the world is nothing but foolishness but the wisdom from above can save and redeem souls.

My foundation is Christ Jesus who died for my sins even when I was a sinner He called to me and washed me clean. He teaches me and loves me and leads me to green pastures. I doubt anything you say or do can shake that foundation.

I don't write off anything because behind every deceitful doctrine is a lie and sometimes a demon and those need to be bound and prayed about so that the person who believes might be set free and come to the fullness and maturity in Christ Jesus. I know I have been deceived in the past and by God's grace been free of many sins and deceptions, therefore I know that daily prayer and forgiveness is needed for oneself and for those one encounters.
I think it would be a good idea to ignore whoever is teaching you and pick up the bible with prayer and fasting.
Just some constructive criticism.
Oh, and changing your ways is a major prerequisite.
All the study in the world won't help if you don't change.
Change is the key.
It shows you're serious and sincere.
Anyone can study.
Anyone can boast and insult.
But not everybody can change.
You say you have chosen Christ...BUT...
Does this sound familiar: Many are called, but FEW are chosen.

Its what Jesus was trying to tell us all along.
CHANGE.
His Spirit does not dwell with prideful haughtiness and presumptions of salvation.
Study without change is barren.
Study in haughtiness leads to false doctrines.
Hence all the crazy doctrines coming out of America/England...
That super power mind set of haughtiness...
All the super powers have suffered it...
Good one America/Britain.
Lands of never ending churches and doctrines.









 
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ah the ad hominem attacks from Journey and Devolution.

I could address them but it would be a waste of my time, they could always read my other post concerning the topic but anyways....

two points: 1. I read the Bible every day and tend to read at least one gospel or book of the OT or entire letter daily at least once.

that is not boasting it just a statement of fact.

2. you must like to ignoring people's words I have already admitting to know very little. I await Heavenly wisdom though I have enough Earthly wisdom to function in most situation God places me in.

it wouldn't cause an earthquake for I know how little I truly know and how much wisdom of the world is nothing but foolishness but the wisdom from above can save and redeem souls.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwsvqVmFV6Y[/video]

anyways 2knowhim how are you this morning? Blessed I hope.
 
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Anandahya,

I am very Blessed, Thank you for asking.
 
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People need to remember. John looked at future things. He saw prophesy. Like daniel saw many things which happened many years after daniel died.

The seals have not yet been opened.
 
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People need to remember. John looked at future things. He saw prophesy. Like daniel saw many things which happened many years after daniel died.

The seals have not yet been opened.
It depends on how you view The Lords' Day,

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
John was caught up to see The Lord's Day, I don't believe he was seeing
into the Future, but was taken back,.......
To the time when he walked with The Lord, and now it was being
Unvieled to him what He really did for us, with great understanding.

I Believe The Lord's Day, was His 3 1/2 yrs. or 42mths. on this Earth.
I know many don't, but that's ok with me.

Blessings
 
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I think it would be a good idea to ignore whoever is teaching you and pick up the bible with prayer and fasting.
Just some constructive criticism.
Oh, and changing your ways is a major prerequisite.
All the study in the world won't help if you don't change.
Change is the key.
It shows you're serious and sincere.
Anyone can study.
Anyone can boast and insult.
But not everybody can change.
You say you have chosen Christ...BUT...
Does this sound familiar: Many are called, but FEW are chosen.

Its what Jesus was trying to tell us all along.
CHANGE.
His Spirit does not dwell with prideful haughtiness and presumptions of salvation.
Study without change is barren.
Study in haughtiness leads to false doctrines.
Hence all the crazy doctrines coming out of America/England...
That super power mind set of haughtiness...
All the super powers have suffered it...
Good one America/Britain.
Lands of never ending churches and doctrines.




I feel bad that our Brother from down under chooses to place the blame of the never ending formation of different doctrines on the American and British people. Lets place it where it belongs SATAN he is the father of all lies, and he fills the hearts of people to start things to disrupt Gods kingdom

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

1 Thessalonians 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:


1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

I find so much knowledge of the scripture in most all of the comments
made in the different threads by practically all of the participants.
God, through the years, has changed my thinking because I attempt to understand what is being said by others and search Gods word to see if it is true

The most important thing is the SALVATION ISSUE. Be sure of that.












 
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It depends on how you view The Lords' Day,

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
John was caught up to see The Lord's Day, I don't believe he was seeing
into the Future, but was taken back,.......
To the time when he walked with The Lord, and now it was being
Unvieled to him what He really did for us, with great understanding.

I Believe The Lord's Day, was His 3 1/2 yrs. or 42mths. on this Earth.
I know many don't, but that's ok with me.

Blessings
I do not see how you can interpret this this way. It makes no sense.

John said. I was IN THE SPIRIT (this was his state) ON THE LORDS DAY (this is the day he was in the spirit) And he heard behind him a great trumpet (this is what happened.

John did not hear a trumpet for the many years he walked with Christ. He heard it on this day, which happened to be the Lords day (maybe saturday) (the sabath) or Sunday (The day the church met)
 
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I do not see how you can interpret this this way. It makes no sense.

John said. I was IN THE SPIRIT (this was his state) ON THE LORDS DAY (this is the day he was in the spirit) And he heard behind him a great trumpet (this is what happened.

John did not hear a trumpet for the many years he walked with Christ. He heard it on this day, which happened to be the Lords day (maybe saturday) (the sabath) or Sunday (The day the church met)

Sorry, I can't help how I see it.

To me The Lord's Day was 2,000 yrs. ago
John said he heard A Voice Behind him (as of a trumpet)
Who told you The Lord's Day was a saturday or sunday?
Sabath yes, A Day of Rest yes.

All the Prophets told of The Lord's Day, it was at hand, it was nigh to come.
etc. etc. They prophesied of His coming, and He did.
 
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It depends on how you view The Lords' Day,

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
John was caught up to see The Lord's Day, I don't believe he was seeing
into the Future, but was taken back,.......
To the time when he walked with The Lord, and now it was being
Unvieled to him what He really did for us, with great understanding.

I Believe The Lord's Day, was His 3 1/2 yrs. or 42mths. on this Earth.
I know many don't, but that's ok with me.

Blessings
well that explains a lot of your views.

I don't agree with you but I see you logic.
 
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Sorry, I can't help how I see it.

To me The Lord's Day was 2,000 yrs. ago
John said he heard A Voice Behind him (as of a trumpet)
Who told you The Lord's Day was a saturday or sunday?
Sabath yes, A Day of Rest yes.

All the Prophets told of The Lord's Day, it was at hand, it was nigh to come.
etc. etc. They prophesied of His coming, and He did.
Sorry, I can't help it. I can't see it your way.

I, John, both[e] your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This is where john was when this occured He was in Jail for his testimony of Christ..
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I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day,

This is WHEN it happened. While he was in the spirit. on whatever day he considered "the Lords day"


and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,”[f] and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia:[g] to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

This is God telling him, write the things you see, and send it to the churches.

This is the DAY John saw this vision, and the DAY he was told to write the prophesy he was going to see.

This did not happen when you say it did.


I can not twist it to make it something it was never meant to be. forgive me
 
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What do you mean Ananda?

You mean the way I see The Book of Revelation?
Or my views on past topics?

I believe John was given The Revelation of What Christ done for us,
Not what He was going to do.

That's also where my faith is, it's in what He has done, not what He's
going to do.

I don't think He left anything undone, I believe He left no stone unturned.
It was a complete work.
 
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EternG,

I am not asking you too, honest.
If we don't agree, then so be it.
that doesn't ofend me, not in the least.

This is a place to share our views right?
That's all I was doing.

Blessings
 
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Like I said, I think it comes down to what we believe from
scripture is the Lord's day.

Maybe someone could pull up all the scriptures from the prophets
and see what it was refering to. Is it still to come? or Was it when
Jesus walked the earth? or was it the day when John saw what he saw?
 
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What if Santa Claus was Apostle Paul? And Luke was the Easter Bunny?

Revelations was written after Jesus death., why write something after Jesus death if it has no practical application for us?
I like this, I feel inclined to ask, what if a giraffe had an elephant trunk?

I just had to throw that in. Why is it that when people cannot accept what actually is, that the have to come up with "what if" scenarios.