WHAT IS PERSECUTION ?

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Galatians 1:11-16

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

13For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Paul, who knew the law better than any man on the planet today, PERSECUTED THE CURCH OF GOD!

How did a profited most by the law in his time persecute the church of God?
 
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Sorry my question has a few typos. It's meant to read: How did the one who profited most by the law persecute the church of God?
 
pickles

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Ill take a try at this. :)
By condemnation, judgement.

God bless
pickles
 
2knowhim

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pickles said:
Ill take a try at this. :)
By condemnation, judgement.

God bless
pickles
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I was kinda leaning towards this too.
I heard a quote one time by Aristotle, I think, that says:

"The Law is reason, free from passion"

And I thought yep that's what makes one legalistic,
but in the back of my mind I was thinking compassion not passion,
and there is a slight difference.

passion is:

A strong feeling or emotion
The trait of being intensely emotional
An irrational but irresistible motive for a belief or action (I think this discribes Saul)
Any object of warm affection or devotion

Compassion:

A deep awareness of and sympathy for another's suffering
The humane quality of understanding the suffering of others and wanting to do something about it
To me, This is The Gospel, right here.
People who don't know The Lord are Empty and mostly miserable, and don't understand why.
But without The compassion of The Word, all were doing is turning people further away from Him.
They need Life, Peace, that can only be found in Him, not more judgment from us.

Why did I bring all this up?
Because I believe this is what Christians are doing today, oh their not literally killing,
but the results are the same. And this makes me Weep alot.
I think it was John who says if you hate your brother without a cause you are a murderer.

They as Saul have a Zeal for God, but without Proper Spiritual Understanding.

They can quote scripture and verse, all the time, but lack the compassion that it was
written with and the understanding of what they quote.
There is no Love of God behind them they wield them as a Sword, and may very well
die by the same. And it causes much hurt, and comdemnation in people.
We must remember that it's The Love of God, and the Goodness of God that leads
to Repentance, not the message that is being preached and taught today.
But then again maybe I'm should'nt be the one to point this out, people may think
I'm being high minded. but I'm really not the one who stated it first.

He who lives by the Sword shall die by the Sword.

Anyhow, I think that as Saul persucuted the church then, in the same way is how it
happens today.
If you have any different understanding Israel, I would sure love to hear it.
You know me, I'm all ears. And thanks for the place to post what I've been feeling lately.


Blessings
 
2knowhim

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I believe I may have been to hasty in posting,
not that what I said was all that wrong but,... I believe the Lord
just showed me the root of Sauls persecution on the church.

Jelousy, because of his Works, he had worked so hard to
obtain the position he held, and all of a sudden all these others, common folk,
and unlearned folk,
were receiving the Grace of God, and get this, without working for it.

The Lord showed me this through the Prodical son, and The first shall
be last, and the last shall be first.

Blessings
 
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Philippians 3:3-10

3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
 
2knowhim

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Yep, and there ya go.

Mat 5:20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceedthe righteousnessof the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 
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Definition of ZEAL
: eagerness and ardent interest in pursuit of something : fervor <her zeal to succeed strained her relationships>


Paul was ZEALOUS! What was he zealous for?

He stated that if any man can have confidence in the flesh, then he the more! Being in the Jews religion, Paul persecuted the church of God by the law! He was zealous for the gains of the law. In Paul's eagerness and ardent interest in the pursuit of the righteousness of the law, he persecuted the church of God and layed it to waste.
 
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Paul was ZEALOUS! What was he zealous for?

Good Works?
 
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9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law,

according to this it was his own righteousness that he persued through the works
of the law.
 
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