What to fear the most

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2knowhim

2knowhim

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You have alot to learn my freind, And alot of Growing to do yet. I love Him because He first loved me,
He never commanded me to love Him, it is obvious by your replies that
you are still very carnal minded, and law oriented, but He will bring you out
right through the fire.

As He did with me, I was where you are in my understanding at one time,
But Praise be to Him, not anymore. I read the same scriptures you do, but
with one BIG difference, I hear His voice teach me What they mean instead
of leaning on my on understanding.

May He Rock your world,
As did mine.
Blessings
 
trust_in_the_name

trust_in_the_name

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2knowhim said:
You have alot to learn my freind, And alot of Growing to do yet. I love Him because He first loved me,
He never commanded me to love Him, it is obvious by your replies that
you are still very carnal minded, and law oriented, but He will bring you out
right through the fire.

As He did with me, I was where you are in my understanding at one time,
But Praise be to Him, not anymore. I read the same scriptures you do, but
with one BIG difference, I hear His voice teach me What they mean instead
of leaning on my on understanding.

May He Rock your world,
As did mine.
Blessings
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They say what they mean, and they mean what they say. God says what He means, and He means what He says. God is not a liar. In fact, He cannot lie.

2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, (Titus 1:2)

I do hear His voice, since I believe what He says in His scriptures. If you don't believe what He says, as you say, then you don't hear His voice; you only think you do.
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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So you take all the scriptures Literally right, I think thats what your saying,

when you say....God says what He means, and He means what He says.

Let me ask you this has your eye every offended you?
Has your hand ever offended you?

And am I to assume that you have neither one now?
Because according to the word you should have cut it off.
And plucked it out. Right?

Or are you one of the fortunate, who that has never happened to?

Hummmm?
 
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trust_in_the_name

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2knowhim said:
So you take all the scriptures Literally right, I think thats what your saying,

when you say....God says what He means, and He means what He says.

Let me ask you this has your eye every offended you?
Has your hand ever offended you?

And am I to assume that you have neither one now?
Because according to the word you should have cut it off.
And plucked it out. Right?

Or are you one of the fortunate, who that has never happened to?

Hummmm?
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I take the scriptures according to their context, since the context is itself scripture, and that's the only way it has meaning. If the context indicates that something is literal, then I take it literally. If the context indicates that something isn't literal, then I don't take it literally.
 
2knowhim

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trust_in_the_name said:
I take the scriptures according to their context, since the context is itself scripture, and that's the only way it has meaning. If the context indicates that something is literal, then I take it literally. If the context indicates that something isn't literal, then I don't take it literally.
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And that my friend is Legalistic, not to mention leaning on your
own understanding, Instead of The Holy Spirit teaching you.
That statement leaves Him OUT. :(
 
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trust_in_the_name

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2knowhim said:
And that my friend is Legalistic,
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No, context is simply the surrounding scriptures: those that precede something, and those that follow it. You can't ignore context, because you'd be ignoring scripture. The Bible tells a narrative, from one verse to the next, each one related to the one before it and the one after it. Context is just basic reading.

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not to mention leaning on your
own understanding, Instead of The Holy Spirit teaching you.
That statement leaves Him OUT. :(
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I don't lean on my own understanding. I trust the Lord,

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)

and the Bible is what He says,

4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' " (Matthew 4:4)

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16)

Therefore, trusting what the Bible actually says is trusting the Lord, and changing what He said is not trusting Him, but rather making Him out to be a liar.

The Holy Spirit teaches us the truth of what God says, the Bible, and the truth of the Bible is what it says, not what it doesn't say. That is what the Holy Spirit teaches us, not some sort of subjective extra-biblical special revelation.
 
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Tell The Apostles that.

They Lived The Word, they didn't have the bible, they wrote it,
as they were inspired by The Holy Spirit. And by The Revelation of Jesus Christ.


Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
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trust_in_the_name said:
They say what they mean, and they mean what they say. God says what He means, and He means what He says. God is not a liar. In fact, He cannot lie.

2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, (Titus 1:2)

I do hear His voice, since I believe what He says in His scriptures. If you don't believe what He says, as you say, then you don't hear His voice; you only think you do.
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I just want to take a minute to say


THANK YOU LORD For sending brothers in Christ who actually read the whole Bible IN CONTEXT
and not just the parts that makes them feel warm and cozy.


this is one of my daughter's favorite songs ;)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGf4Ni3OTnc[/video]
 
2knowhim

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I've said this before but I'll say it again,
If something were to happen that you couldn't
study and read the bible IN CONTEXT anymore,

WOULD YOU KNOW HIM?

It's much more than just quoting scriptures, and repeating
what they say, It's about understanding what they mean.
And quess what, it's not always written with pen and ink,
but on the hearts of His people, by the Spirit.
 
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2knowhim said:
Tell The Apostles that.

They Lived The Word, they didn't have the bible, they wrote it,
as they were inspired by The Holy Spirit. And by The Revelation of Jesus Christ.


Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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They did have the OT which is what the NT is based on
 
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Laodicea said:
They did have the OT which is what the NT is based on
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What about Abraham, Issac, Jacob?

They were at least 500 yrs. before the Law was given,
I think they walked by faith.
 
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2knowhim said:
What about Abraham, Issac, Jacob?

They were at least 500 yrs. before the Law was given,
I think they walked by faith.
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The Law has always been in existence, and you were talking about the Apostles
 
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Laodicea said:
The Law has always been in existence, and you were talking about the Apostles
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Yes, I was, your the one who brought up the OT.


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They did have the OT which is what the NT is based on

So let me ask you Lao, do you think it was entirely on the Apostles reading
the OT, IN Context, that gave them the understanding they had?

I have never said that Context is not important when we read,
but I am saying that "ONLY CONTEXT" and reading does not give
us full understanding of what the scriptures mean, That takes Him,
to reveal to us what they mean.

I mean come on if that was all it was to it then why couldn't anyone pick
the bible up and understand. But His Word is Spirit, God is Spirit, ......
These things are Spiritually discerned. Or at least they should be.
 
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Laodicea

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2knowhim said:
Yes, I was, your the one who brought up the OT.


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They did have the OT which is what the NT is based on

So let me ask you Lao, do you think it was entirely on the Apostles reading
the OT, IN Context, that gave them the understanding they had?

I have never said that Context is not important when we read,
but I am saying that "ONLY CONTEXT" and reading does not give
us full understanding of what the scriptures mean, That takes Him,
to reveal to us what they mean.

I mean come on if that was all it was to it then why couldn't anyone pick
the bible up and understand. But His Word is Spirit, God is Spirit, ......
These things are Spiritually discerned. Or at least they should be.
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Luke 24:27
(27) And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

 
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2knowhim

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Thank you, Laodicea,...

But you knew this inside, why can't you just talk to me.

Why do we insist on throwing scriptures back and forth at
each other, when we know that we all read the same thing.

were suppose to be here to share with one another.
Out of what The Lord has revealed unto us.
And then grow.

But it's so sad that we can't do that.
So Sad.
 
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AnandaHya

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Acts 18

24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. 27 And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; 28 for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.


CHARLES SPURGEON

As the apostle says to Timothy, so also he says to every-one, ‘Give yourself to reading.’ ... He who will not use the thoughts of other men’s brains proves that he has no brains of his own... You need to read. Renounce as much as you will all light literature, but study as much as possible sound theological works, especially the Puritanic writers, and expositions of the Bible... the best way for you to spend your leisure is to be either reading or praying.

CHARLES SPURGEON QUOTES ON CHRISTMAS, CALVINISM, THE COVENANTERS, CHRIST AS CONQUERING KING, AND MUCH MORE! (FREE RESOURCES at Still Waters Revival Books)
 
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AnandaHya

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some people like scripture and value it above their own feeble attempts at stringing together of syllables.

We are conversing with each other as GOD instructed us by hymns, and meditation of His words.

I find it a blessing to share scriptures with my brethren and find it more saddening that people would reprimand others for sharing God's words and insist on the vain babblings of their own minds.
 
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"Quoted by Anandahya"
I find it a blessing to share scriptures with my brethren and find it more saddening that people would reprimand others for sharing God's words and insist on the vain babblings of their own minds.


So do I.
 
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2knowhim said:
Thank you, Laodicea,...

But you knew this inside, why can't you just talk to me.

Why do we insist on throwing scriptures back and forth at
each other, when we know that we all read the same thing.

were suppose to be here to share with one another.
Out of what The Lord has revealed unto us.
And then grow.

But it's so sad that we can't do that.
So Sad.
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You said that the Apostles did not have the Bible when they did, they had the OT which is 2 thirds of the Bible
 
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trust_in_the_name

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2knowhim said:
Tell The Apostles that.
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Well, I don't need to. They already know it.

2knowhim said:
They Lived The Word,
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Yes, they did. Understanding scripture must come first, and then it must be lived out. However, you can't live it out or follow it if you don't first understand it.

2knowhim said:
they didn't have the bible,
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Yes, actually, they did, and in fact they frequently quoted and cited it in their writings, thoughts, ideas, conversations, and teachings, although it didn't have as many books in it then as it does now. Specifically, they had the Hebrew Bible, what we now refer to as the Old Testament. That's why Paul wrote to Timothy:

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16)

When Paul wrote this, he was referring to the Old Testament, although it is, of course, now true of the New Testament as well.

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they wrote it,
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Yes, some of them did, and some of the people who wrote the Bible, inculding the New Testament, weren't apostles.

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as they were inspired by The Holy Spirit. And by The Revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Yep, not that I would claim otherwise. Nonetheless, although we are taught by the Holy Spirit, we don't write scripture. Only the biblical authors wrote scripture. Nobody else has done so since the New Testament was completed. Nor do we receive extra-biblical special revelation from God of any sort. He teaches us what is in the scriptures, not what is not in them.


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Gal 1:12
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2knowhim said:
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. (1 John 2:27)
 
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