What to fear the most
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do you know the differences between these 2knowhim?
by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching
Have patience not all prophesies, not all have revelations, not all have knowledge, not all are gifted to teach but to whom God has given His Holy Spirit, He leads and teaches. Though we may not individually have much wisdom or knowledge or revelations or prophecy, we have enough for God has given us what we need. therefore strive to understand what people are trying to communicate and see past the words to the Spirit and what God might be trying to reveal to YOU through them.
Or not and continue pridefully saying in your heart "I used to be where you are (you carnal minded Christian) but I've moved past that (I am so much better than carnal minded Christians), praise God (that I'm not like other sinners)".
by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching
Have patience not all prophesies, not all have revelations, not all have knowledge, not all are gifted to teach but to whom God has given His Holy Spirit, He leads and teaches. Though we may not individually have much wisdom or knowledge or revelations or prophecy, we have enough for God has given us what we need. therefore strive to understand what people are trying to communicate and see past the words to the Spirit and what God might be trying to reveal to YOU through them.
Or not and continue pridefully saying in your heart "I used to be where you are (you carnal minded Christian) but I've moved past that (I am so much better than carnal minded Christians), praise God (that I'm not like other sinners)".
This is all basically correct, except that the only thing preventing an unbeliever from correctly understanding the Bible is his sinful nature. That's why even we as Christians often stumble in our understanding, since, although we have a new nature and walk in the Spirit, the flesh still wars against the Spirit. So, what the Holy Spirit does in teaching us is to help us to listen to what God is really saying in the Bible, without having that understanding tainted by sinful influences such as personal bias. The Holy Spirit doesn't imbue us with special knowledge or revelation beyond what is actually in the Bible.
So, for example, there's nothing preventing an unbeliever from learning all kinds of things in the Bible, and in fact many of them know more about it than many believers. Nonetheless, although there are many unbelievers who know more about, say, the history of Israel than I do, or even theology in a general sense, I have yet to find one with a truly biblical understanding of doctrine and theology, and, more importantly, the things that they do know they don't actually believe.
So, for example, there's nothing preventing an unbeliever from learning all kinds of things in the Bible, and in fact many of them know more about it than many believers. Nonetheless, although there are many unbelievers who know more about, say, the history of Israel than I do, or even theology in a general sense, I have yet to find one with a truly biblical understanding of doctrine and theology, and, more importantly, the things that they do know they don't actually believe.
Or not and continue pridefully saying in your heart "I used to be where you are (you carnal minded Christian) but I've moved past that (I am so much better than carnal minded Christians), praise God (that I'm not like other sinners)". That's how you hear my words, not what I said.
Ananda, I have never said those things and you know it, I have said that, someone was carnally minded, but God knows I have
never thought those other things about anyone, much less said them. I am an honest person, and by the way there is nothing wrong with
reproving someone, you do it to me all the time and not very nice either I might add, but thats ok, I don't get offended anymore. Opps
or was that something I shouldn't have said also, "anymore"
And I'm not saying anything that Paul or some of the other Apostles have said.
Why do I offend you so much Ananda?
Is it because I believe that All mankind will be saved?
And now everything that I have to say you will take
offense to?
I do not mean to offend you, to me This is The Good News.
And I love to share it.
I don't know what else to say, I can't appoligize for that,
It would make me a liar.
I cannot deny what He has shown me.
The same as you can't help what you believe either.
But there ought to be some kind of unity between all of us don't you think?
Ananda, I have never said those things and you know it, I have said that, someone was carnally minded, but God knows I have
never thought those other things about anyone, much less said them. I am an honest person, and by the way there is nothing wrong with
reproving someone, you do it to me all the time and not very nice either I might add, but thats ok, I don't get offended anymore. Opps
or was that something I shouldn't have said also, "anymore"
And I'm not saying anything that Paul or some of the other Apostles have said.
Why do I offend you so much Ananda?
Is it because I believe that All mankind will be saved?
And now everything that I have to say you will take
offense to?
I do not mean to offend you, to me This is The Good News.
And I love to share it.
I don't know what else to say, I can't appoligize for that,
It would make me a liar.
I cannot deny what He has shown me.
The same as you can't help what you believe either.
But there ought to be some kind of unity between all of us don't you think?
I think that we at this point should just, agree to disagree,
because I think it has gotten so far off, and twisted and all that,
I will part and ask you to forgive me, if I have offended you in anyway
God forbid, that was not my intension.
I just can't seem to talk to anyone on here,
without someone getting upset so I'll say goodnight
and God bless you All.
because I think it has gotten so far off, and twisted and all that,
I will part and ask you to forgive me, if I have offended you in anyway
God forbid, that was not my intension.
I just can't seem to talk to anyone on here,
without someone getting upset so I'll say goodnight
and God bless you All.
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it is not what you say that bothers me but what you leave UNSAID. what you do not say is that God is JUST and WILL cast people into Hell as HE has promised. what bothers me is you throw away verses that you don't like and pretend to be teaching the Gospel of Christ. What bothers me is that you make the cross of Christ useless with your theology that no one really needs to have faith or believe because everyone will get into Heaven anyways. What bothers me is that your doctrine is a postmodern candy coated version of the satan's original LIE which is "Surely you will not Die"
yes pretty much
nope not everything, just where you try and guilt trip people for doing things that ALL Christians should be doing: Affirming their FAITH and discussing scriptures IN Context as the Holy Spirit leads them.
its a false gospel and will lead those who buy into the delusion to Hell.
If "he" shows you something that goes against the BIBLE then "he" is not Jesus Christ but a deceiver, a false angel of light who can quote and twist scripture best by lies of omission
no not at all there is no unity with people teaching false doctrines and preaching things that go against God's Written and revealed words.
2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
our battle is not with flesh and blood but we are to tear down strongholds that war against God.
By your words you reveal that you might be batting for the other side, even if it is unknowingly.
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Told who what?!?
After reading a couple of posts I was thinking that fear was the general topic. I didn't realize that someone was / is professing some sort of personal revelation that contradicts scripture. That is a huge No-No! True revelation from the Holy Spirit will never EVER contradict scripture but rather bring clarity, helping you to understand it.
Maybe I need to go back and read the original post?
If it makes everyone feel better to lable me, then go ahead,
But as I have said before I am not now or every have been a Universalist.
Just because I believe in The Salvation of All does not mean that I don't
believe in Hell, I have stated many times on here that Hell is very real.
I've even pulled scripture on the subject, but because my understanding of
Hell differs from yours, doesn't mean I don't believe in it. And for this you ridicule
me, and call me names?
David stated he was in hell, and God delivered him, Jonah declared he was in
hell and was also delievered out, but does anyone see the purpose that hell
serves, no, I've tried to dicuss it, but most would rather see eternal torment,
why,? I do not know.
David was a King and was chose to rule, Jonah was to called to preach repentance
to a whole nation, in both their lives hell served a Good pupose in God, why can't
ya'll see this. Not to mention the very fact that Christ Himself was the embodiment
of Both, King, and Preacher of the Good News. But again are you willing to discuss this
or even consider it No again No, you would much rather stick to your man made teachings.
Those that live Godly will suffer persecution, tribulation, reproach, etc.....
But I do have a question, If hell is something we should be afraid of and is
so important to us (After the Cross) then why doesn't Paul write about it ?
Paul wrote most of the NT writings that we have today, if it is that important
why didn't he warn people of it? After all he is the Apostle to the Gentiles.
But he never even mentions it one time, doesn't anyone else find that strange?
And statements like these to me is uncalled for:
(quoted by Ananda)
no you misrepresent her. And so do you.
She doesn't believe He was joking but He didn't really mean "fear" but "reverance" or highly respect or something like that. we don't really need to be afraid because she doesn't believe anyone goes to hell, everyone gets a free pass to Heaven.
I have never said that, that is what you hear.
I said I used to fear God, but that was before I come to KNOW HIM,
Now I reverance Him, He is my Father, I love Him.
(quoted by trust_in_the_name)
Hardly convincing... The Holy Spirit told her that Jesus was just joking around when he said that.
Again I never said that either, why do ya'll have to resort to such a degrating
nature, just because you don't agree with someone?
Are you children or Adults?
That's how kids act, they resort to name calling.
This is not a game were playing.
And I wonder if we were face to face, would you be so
liberal with you words to me? Or is it just because were on a
chat board?
But as I have said before I am not now or every have been a Universalist.
Just because I believe in The Salvation of All does not mean that I don't
believe in Hell, I have stated many times on here that Hell is very real.
I've even pulled scripture on the subject, but because my understanding of
Hell differs from yours, doesn't mean I don't believe in it. And for this you ridicule
me, and call me names?
David stated he was in hell, and God delivered him, Jonah declared he was in
hell and was also delievered out, but does anyone see the purpose that hell
serves, no, I've tried to dicuss it, but most would rather see eternal torment,
why,? I do not know.
David was a King and was chose to rule, Jonah was to called to preach repentance
to a whole nation, in both their lives hell served a Good pupose in God, why can't
ya'll see this. Not to mention the very fact that Christ Himself was the embodiment
of Both, King, and Preacher of the Good News. But again are you willing to discuss this
or even consider it No again No, you would much rather stick to your man made teachings.
Those that live Godly will suffer persecution, tribulation, reproach, etc.....
But I do have a question, If hell is something we should be afraid of and is
so important to us (After the Cross) then why doesn't Paul write about it ?
Paul wrote most of the NT writings that we have today, if it is that important
why didn't he warn people of it? After all he is the Apostle to the Gentiles.
But he never even mentions it one time, doesn't anyone else find that strange?
And statements like these to me is uncalled for:
(quoted by Ananda)
no you misrepresent her. And so do you.
She doesn't believe He was joking but He didn't really mean "fear" but "reverance" or highly respect or something like that. we don't really need to be afraid because she doesn't believe anyone goes to hell, everyone gets a free pass to Heaven.
I have never said that, that is what you hear.
I said I used to fear God, but that was before I come to KNOW HIM,
Now I reverance Him, He is my Father, I love Him.
(quoted by trust_in_the_name)
Hardly convincing... The Holy Spirit told her that Jesus was just joking around when he said that.
Again I never said that either, why do ya'll have to resort to such a degrating
nature, just because you don't agree with someone?
Are you children or Adults?
That's how kids act, they resort to name calling.
This is not a game were playing.
And I wonder if we were face to face, would you be so
liberal with you words to me? Or is it just because were on a
chat board?
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yes if you pressed the issue and wanted to discuss it I would tell you the same thing to your face as on the chat board but most likely you would walk away and ignore anything said.
To most if you do not believe in a LITERAL Hell after death then it does not count. redefining the word Hell does not mean you believe in Hell as the Bible states it is.
THE BIBLE states that HELL is eternal and your lies are easy to show.
You state Paul NEVER spoke of Hell?
well here are some verses:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe,[a] because our testimony among you was believed.
in addition why does it matter. JESUS spoke of Hell and even if you didn't read Paul's words. JESUS' is quite clear unless you want to twist it like Satan and say "surely you will not die"
don't take it personally it is not you I dislike
but the lies you have bought into.
you believe Hell is equal to God's chastening and I believe you are mistaken and its a lie.
To most if you do not believe in a LITERAL Hell after death then it does not count. redefining the word Hell does not mean you believe in Hell as the Bible states it is.
THE BIBLE states that HELL is eternal and your lies are easy to show.
You state Paul NEVER spoke of Hell?
well here are some verses:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe,[a] because our testimony among you was believed.
in addition why does it matter. JESUS spoke of Hell and even if you didn't read Paul's words. JESUS' is quite clear unless you want to twist it like Satan and say "surely you will not die"
don't take it personally it is not you I dislike
but the lies you have bought into.
you believe Hell is equal to God's chastening and I believe you are mistaken and its a lie.
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Because you don't believe in something, that doesn't make it a lie. They are indeed punished with everlasting destruction FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD AND THE GLORY OF HIS POWER.
Again you quote verses that show your love of death, but never understanding what you quote. For Paul also stated this:
Ephesians 3:21
21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
As long as we are in this body, are we with the Lord or absent from Him? If God's word is an all consuming fire, is there then another fire? We are ALL baptised with Spirit and fire.
Again you quote verses that show your love of death, but never understanding what you quote. For Paul also stated this:
Ephesians 3:21
21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
As long as we are in this body, are we with the Lord or absent from Him? If God's word is an all consuming fire, is there then another fire? We are ALL baptised with Spirit and fire.