Whats Your Number?

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agirlandherguitar

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Boy wants to know how many sexual partners you've had? How dare he ask you such a personal question when he isn't even dating you! You don't need to lie to him. You don't need to prove anything to him. If he's so hung up on numbers then maybe he should go be an accountant. I could slap him for you if you want. Like he's so perfect...
 

DuchessAimee

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I'm going to disagree here there is a definitely a limit of too high. Not many guys are going to want to be with a girl that has been with extreme numbers.



You gotta speak for only yourself, man.
 
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Shouryu

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First of all -

Prettywings, welcome back to the faith. Sometimes trying to renew ourselves is difficult, because we see us the way the world sees us, and it bogs us down a little. What we have to remember is that once we've given ourselves back over to the One who called us by name, we are now seen by Him completely differently than the world sees us...and it's how He sees us that should matter most, not the world.

Keep in mind that Christ once looked at a bunch of supposedly holy men and informed them that they had no right to condemn someone who had sinned in the past. The gospels mention that Christ says, "Let any one of you who is without sin, cast the first stone." Then He stoops down to write in the dirt, and one by one, from the oldest to the youngest, they leave.

Those are the only details we're given, but I like to think it played out more like this. Jesus says what He says, then writes in the dirt the name "Sarai." Then the oldest Pharisee turns red and backs away. Next, Jesus writes "Martha," and the next oldest Pharisee blushes and makes a hasty exit. Now, I don't KNOW that this is how it went down, but I could totally see Christ doing that. But more importantly, when she notes that her accusers have all left, He replies with, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and sin no more."

Both parts of that sentence are hugely powerful. If any potential suitors can't seen you the way Christ sees you, then you probably don't want them as potential suitors.

And again, welcome back! ^_^
 

Fenner

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Hi Pretty Wings, I didn't save myself for marriage, I also repented of that sin and God forgave me. I would have been offended by that question from someone I don't know very well. I'm glad you didn't respond. Things can be discussed when you trust someone well enough to tell them.

My husband and I didn't discuss our former relationships at length. I feel it's best to leave the past where it is, in the past. I would forget this person and move on. He sounds immature.
 
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flight316

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First off I will say, yes you can change life and become a new woman with Christ. But man is not like God. I'm not a woman and I can't begin to tell you how they or why they make the choices that they make. I am a lot oler than you and to this day I have never understood a womenthat has slept with several different men. I'm I judgeing, no. I just don't get it. I don't no about women, but a man to be aware of and protect his reputation. If you live in the same town with all of your sexual partners. You will probably have some un comfortable moments when you do finally get a mate as you live your daily lives. I don't know guys can be cruel sometimes about these matters. But to end on a good note, you have another opportunity to start over with Christ. Good luck dealing with that numbers thing. Most decnt guys aren't willing to deal with those high numbers. It messes with their minds.
 

Nautilus

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You gotta speak for only yourself, man.
Well every guy Im friends would prefer not to sleep with women who have a past tendency of being easily passed around. We've had these conversations before and once a girls starts hitting like 15-20 different guys in her life, she just is no longer attractive to any of us. Sorry but we would rather not just be another in a long line of guy even if we would be the last guy. Just not the type of women we go after.
 
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hattiebod

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Hi I just joined and I have a question. A guy I met that was thinking about dating me asked me my number one day while we were talking on the phone. I told him it was none of his business. But he kept asking and when I asked him why he said because he doesn't date girls that sleep around. That is understandable. I dont sleep around but my number is high. I stopped counting so I don't know what it is but I decided to be celibate again. I know God forgives me and I forgive myself but is every guy I meet going to not want to date me because I had a high number of sexual partners? Should I just lie? I try not to let the number define me but it is hard to stay on the abstinent path if my future husband will never see me as pure since I have a high number.
Are you saved? Because if you are...you would probably find this would not be the sort of thing that would be a priority.
1. You don't sleep around, yet have stopped counting.( but you do say 'high number')
2. Decided to be celebate....again? Didn't work out first time huh?
3. Of course God forgives you but He clearly tells us if you keep sinning deliberately, in other words knowing its wrong, You are not saved at all!
4. No, the number ought not to define you. Being a daughter of the king should define you.
5. Not hard to stay on the path if it's Gods path and you are living under His authority and not your own. Spirit weak but flesh strong, equals disaster.
6. You are not 'pure' by mans standards, that boat has sailed :)

But, the good news is, if you are fully 'pure & safe' in Christ, you are a new creation. It's a gift of grace. He died for you, He loves you SO very much...don't waste your life and the promises He has for those who love Him. If you love Him? Keep your eyes on Him....everything else will be ok. We are all sinners, quit dwelling and talking about the past, live victoriously for your eternal, wonderful future.
God Bless you, <><
 

CatHerder

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note to OP: my response is not about you personally, but generally speaking...

Well every guy Im friends would prefer not to sleep with women who have a past tendency of being easily passed around. We've had these conversations before and once a girls starts hitting like 15-20 different guys in her life, she just is no longer attractive to any of us. Sorry but we would rather not just be another in a long line of guy even if we would be the last guy. Just not the type of women we go after.
Yet if she is a new creature in Christ, she is not that "type" of woman anymore.

While I agree that most men would not PREFER a woman with this history, that doesn't mean it's not possible to accept her for who she presently is. If I were a guy in this position, yes, her past may be something that is difficult to accept, but if I valued the relationship, it would be possible to do so. I would, however, want to know that she has been celibate for a while before I get too emotionally invested in her.
 

maxwel

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Prettywings,

We know God forgives the past, and in his eyes you're white as snow.
But we also know humans won't all look at you that way.
So how do those two things all come together in real life?
That's the the real question right?

1. Foundation: God sees you as "white as snow." Isaiah 1:18

2. Not everyone is going to see you as God sees you.

3. Mature Christians, who try to see things the way God does,
they will see you as "white as snow" if you're living for Him.

4. If you date a man who is actually a "mature Christian",
then he will see you as "white as snow", when he finds out
about your past.

5. Your past, especially the number of men you've slept with,
is NOT everybody's business.
A. You shouldn't really go around sharing that
B. You should be suspicious of anyone asking such a thing.

6. You might want to share this information with your future husband,
before you marry him... but nobody less important has any reason to know.

7. On a personal note, if I knew a girl had an especially worldly past,
I could see her as "white as snow" on the inside, but I would be
cautious about her emotional state, and her level of spiritual growth.
I would be concerned about whether or not she has had "time" to
work through her past, and her baggage, and if she was really
ready for a relationship. But I would have no trouble seeing her as
a "new creature in Christ" and as pure before God.
 
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agirlandherguitar

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Well every guy Im friends would prefer not to sleep with women who have a past tendency of being easily passed around. We've had these conversations before and once a girls starts hitting like 15-20 different guys in her life, she just is no longer attractive to any of us. Sorry but we would rather not just be another in a long line of guy even if we would be the last guy. Just not the type of women we go after.
I'll be honest and I'd rather not get involved with a guy who was sexually promiscuous before he met me and had 20 different partners. And if we're being really honest then let me just say that it is extremely rare to expect a man in his mid twenties to be sexually pure, Christian or no. If he claimed to be reformed in Christ and changed to a life of purity then he would really have to show me that he was indeed reformed and serious about living for Christ and not for sex (this includes watching porn and masturbating. It is a huge battle for men). And honey, he'd have to work very, very hard to prove it to me. Jus' sayin.

It seems to be more accepted for a man to have many sexual partners and as women we are told (lied to) that this is normal and most men have had many sexual partners by his mid twenties, yet if a woman was in the same situation she would be considered more "impure" than that man, no matter how reformed she was. How backwards! It's an age old argument and one that I'm sick of trying to fight against.
 

Nautilus

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note to OP: my response is not about you personally, but generally speaking...

Yet if she is a new creature in Christ, she is not that "type" of woman anymore.

While I agree that most men would not PREFER a woman with this history, that doesn't mean it's not possible to accept her for who she presently is. If I were a guy in this position, yes, her past may be something that is difficult to accept, but if I valued the relationship, it would be possible to do so. I would, however, want to know that she has been celibate for a while before I get too emotionally invested in her.
i wouldnt get in a position to be emotionally invested with someone with that past.
 

Nautilus

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I'll be honest and I'd rather not get involved with a guy who was sexually promiscuous before he met me and had 20 different partners. And if we're being really honest then let me just say that it is extremely rare to expect a man in his mid twenties to be sexually pure, Christian or no. If he claimed to be reformed in Christ and changed to a life of purity then he would really have to show me that he was indeed reformed and serious about living for Christ and not for sex (this includes watching porn and masturbating. It is a huge battle for men). And honey, he'd have to work very, very hard to prove it to me. Jus' sayin.

It seems to be more accepted for a man to have many sexual partners and as women we are told (lied to) that this is normal and most men have had many sexual partners by his mid twenties, yet if a woman was in the same situation she would be considered more "impure" than that man, no matter how reformed she was. How backwards! It's an age old argument and one that I'm sick of trying to fight against.
Tjats understandable. I would expect the women I go after to have similar expectations of not dating a a promiscuous guy
 
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Catlynn

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This thread....hmmm.....I don't even know WHAT to say or comment on. o_o
 

seoulsearch

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Well every guy Im friends would prefer not to sleep with women who have a past tendency of being easily passed around. We've had these conversations before and once a girls starts hitting like 15-20 different guys in her life, she just is no longer attractive to any of us. Sorry but we would rather not just be another in a long line of guy even if we would be the last guy. Just not the type of women we go after.
Hopefully, it goes both ways as well.

Ladies? Are you attracted to men who have slept with say, 10 or more women but yet demand they marry a woman who's had fewer than say, 5 partners?

Double standards don't work in my book, but that's just me. I have no interest in guys with "deli counter" histories: "Serving number 24. Now serving number 24..." and then they turn around and want women who are basically "pure". At my age, it's hard to find guys who haven't slept with 20 women or less, let alone, let's say, "just" 5, Christian and non-Christian alike. I AM NOT SAYING ALL GUYS ARE LIKE THIS BY ANY MEANS. I'm simply speaking from my own experience.

We all make mistakes. I just think more people, both men and women, should think about things such as, "When I meet the person whom God has for me to marry... How will they feel about the fact that I'll have to be honest and tell them that I've slept with 15 people? Do I want that to be what I bring to the person I marry?" If not, hopefully we can ask for the strength to make better choices.

I'm not saying there should not be forgiveness and understanding. It would depend on the individual. I can be friends with most anyone. But as for who I would marry, and commit my whole self to, that's an entirely different story.

To me, it's also a matter of principle and discipline. If a person is not used to saying "no" to opportunities and doesn't have practice at living a life of turning things down, it's going to be harder to say no in the future when stresses, fights, and distances in life come around and there are temptations to cope with it by a history of saying yes. I want someone with a strong character and the backbone to say no.
 
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seoulsearch

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I'm sorry 1. for the double post, 2. if I sounded a bit harsh, and 3. that I'm veering a bit off-topic.

I don't have a perfect history and I'm sure most others don't as well. I would erase it if I could. I am honest about it if asked in a serious relationship, or when talking to other women who need someone to talk to about personal issues. I've had several women laugh at me and tell me I'm almost a nun compared to so-and-so. Ha !God knows my weaknesses and like anyone else, He helps me with them.

I have always tried to be open-minded about other people's situations and histories, and it's often brought me nothing but heartache. When I was about 26, I dated a guy for 6 months who had been raised a Christian all his life. His mother and grandmother raised him in church, and His Bible was filled with notes and torn pages due to his intensive study and dedication. But he also told me that sex had been a problem for him from an early age and that he had "stopped counting" and keeping track of his "number" after 22. I was, honestly, naive, and a bit horrified, but wanted to maintain a "Christian attitude" of love and understanding.

His only means of discipline in this area was occasionally being able to break free. When I met him he told me he had turned a new leaf and had been celibate for 6 months. But he was used to saying yes... frequently... and it had taken him down a dark path and into some very dark things (S&M, for example.) It wasn't long before he went back to those things... with other people while still wanting to see me. He never even told me himself, and I was truly crushed.

To be honest, I often don't know what to hope for or where I should set the standards anymore. I want to be understanding, but I don't want to go through the horrible, aching hurt.

I just know that in some ways, the pain from that kind of betrayal was a unique and especially stinging pain from a guy who could quote Scripture 10 times better than I can on a good day than from someone who claimed to not believe in God at all.
 

Nautilus

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Im certainly not pure but I have, if it can be considered better(probably not), only slept with partners while in serious relationships. My number is certainly taken into consideration when I factor hat is too high because it would be unfair/hypocritical to hold two different numbers as standards. At least Im fair i that respect.
 
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SeatBelt

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There is much in this thread to like and much to not like. I will refrain from "liking" Any of the posts. I think this thread, more than any I've read in the past month or two, displays a genuine insight into those who have posted. That being said, skip my wall of text if you are so inclined, but if you are so inclined, then perhaps this is not the thread for you.

When I read through this thread, I originally was thinking of responding in PM to prettywings, but have decided to post the exact same words openly for all, to be judgmental about, or to grow or even heal from, or simply learn from:

I can relate to you, prettywings, in some ways. My past before my marriage was nothing to be proud of, but it took growing my relationship with Christ to learn to not live in shame over that. My wife left, and now that I am looking into a future where I may potentially date, or even remarry (Neither of those, anytime soon. I's gots me some baggage to unpack first.), I have begun to think through what that will mean.
Like I said, my past was unChristian. My marriage had its troubles, but I did not engage in extramarital sex. Even in the depths of this divorce process, I have chosen to not engage in sex outside of God's intended plan for it, and not out of lack of opportunity. These words are not here to declare that, "Ooooh I'm so good." BECAUSE I AM NOT. I say these things because I can look back on how far I've come, and know with confidence that It Is By God's Hand That I Changed. People DO change, when they yield to God.
My sexual history started with an event that I had no choice in, and in some ways, went downhill from there. In looking back at the majority of what happened after that, I would have to admit to allowing myself to be used sexually in hopes of obtaining favor, seeking love, et cetera...all the result of self worth problems. Little by little, I am learning successfully to see myself as Christ sees me. The fact is that Christ died Just for me. And Just for you. And Just for Each of Us. It wouldn't matter if No One Else was saved by His death, we are still Each loved so very much that He still would have made the sacrifice. The time came that I put my foot down and refused to be treated like something as disposable as Kleenex. From that day forward, I will never again allow someone to use me for sex, will not have sex without love, and will not have sex outside of wedlock. I choose to see myself as Christ sees me, and I choose to follow Him and His plan. Even if this means I die alone and celibate, I can say with an unburdened heart that I would die respecting myself and feeling Loved. And yes, the last person I was sexually used by was my wife.
If I have any future romantic relationship, I should know upfront how I feel about different issues before the situations are real and I am in them. This is, in my book, called not letting emotions cloud judgement. A friend suggested that with regards to children that I be willing to accept someone who has up to the same number of children as I have. Using that logic, I should be willing to accept someone who has had the same number of past sexual partners as myself.
Here it is: I reject logic in favor of Grace. Why? Because God did the same for me. That is what is fair.
If I am dating someone, it should not matter how many sexual partners they have or have not had... I'm Dating them, and under what I believe to be the Christian model of conducting oneself in the world, this means I am not having sex with them, so it would not even be a topic of conversation.
If I am marrying someone, it still does not matter to me two shamwows how many partners they have or have not had. I would, of course want to have a reasonable level of certainty that they would be faithful, and expect they would want the same of me. I would want to know that they were healthy, and expect them to want to know the same of me. If they are marrying me, they are willing to accept I have a past, and move past it. If I am marrying them, I am willing to move past what is in their past as well. Thanks to Christ Jesus, we have no past, only a future. I don't care if I am their 1st, 101st, or 1,001st. I just would want to be able to say that we were each others last, and to live as Christians till death do us part.
 
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kessy001

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I don't get the 'my number' thing. Why do you hold on to it and claim it as yours? Are you not a christian? if you are, then you are a new creature, old things are past away! You were crucified with Christ! God doesn't care about 'your number' so why do you care?

I believe any Godly man who wants to be with you would see you just the way God sees you and wouldn't care if u had a number!
 
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Ariel82

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look at it this way. if the man is unable to forgive your past and see you for the wonderful NEW creation, cleansed by the blood of Christ, then he is not worth keeping and you have been saved hours of trying to get to know him and see if he is the one God intended you to be with.

as you can see the "number" thing hangs some folks up but not all men care about your past and are willing to look at your present.

Don't be afraid to say NO, men shouldn't manipulate you into having sex.