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The natural man will not seek to serve a spiritual God, 1 Cor 2:14.
1 Cor 2:14 does not say that, Forest. Anyone can seek to serve God.

1 Cor 2:14 is referring to spiritual things that can only be understood if a person has holy spirit.
 
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1 Cor 2:14 does not say that, Forest. Anyone can seek to serve God.

1 Cor 2:14 is referring to spiritual things that can only be understood if a person has holy spirit.
I know that it must be hard for you to discredit such a plain and to the point scripture as 1 Cor 2:14, but to make it your belief you have to make a feeble attempt. The natural man will not seek a spiritual God, he cannot descern spiritual things, they are foolishness unto him.
 
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1 Cor 2:14 does not say that, Forest. Anyone can seek to serve God.

1 Cor 2:14 is referring to spiritual things that can only be understood if a person has holy spirit.
A person dosen't have access to the Holy Spirit until God quickens him to a spiritual life.
 
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A person dosen't have access to the Holy Spirit until God quickens him to a spiritual life.
SO what your saying is the HS is incapable, and not powerful enough to come to a person, and show them the truth of the gospel? I did not know God was limited.
 
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Thayer's Greek definition of the word "world" in John 3:16 is, 2889, 8) any aggregate or general collection of any sort. a)a), used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47,1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.
The Lord is just. He doesn’t play favorites.
 
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SO what your saying is the HS is incapable, and not powerful enough to come to a person, and show them the truth of the gospel? I did not know God was limited.
Until God quickens a person from dead (spiritually dead) in sins to a life in Christ, Eph 2:5, they have no ability to descern spiritual things, 1 Cor 2:14. Any action of man upon anything spiritual is after they are already born again.
 
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The Lord is just. He doesn’t play favorites.
The Lord is just. He could have left all mankind to go into everlasting punishment, instead He choose some, by his grace, to redeem. He choose Jacob over Esau. was Jacob a favorite?
 
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The Lord is just. He could have left all mankind to go into everlasting punishment, instead He choose some, by his grace, to redeem. He choose Jacob over Esau. was Jacob a favorite?
If He chooses some for salvation over others, He is not just, and is a respecter of persons. He is neither, and has made salvation available to anyone who will choose to believe.
 
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I know that it must be hard for you to discredit such a plain and to the point scripture as 1 Cor 2:14, but to make it your belief you have to make a feeble attempt. The natural man will not seek a spiritual God, he cannot descern spiritual things, they are foolishness unto him.
You are the one discrediting these plain and to-the-point scripture

1 Tim 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 10:11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rather than making an effort to understand 1 Cor 2:14 for what it means, you instead insist it means something it does not, and therefore must twist these (and several other) scripture to mean something other than what they plainly say. You discredit many scripture to support your doctrine, and turn our loving heavenly father into an ogre, indiscriminately choosing to save some but not others at His whim. God loves all men, and wants all to choose to believe and be saved.
 
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The Lord is just. He could have left all mankind to go into everlasting punishment, instead He choose some, by his grace, to redeem. He choose Jacob over Esau. was Jacob a favorite?
Jacob and Esau each got what they deserved.
 
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If He chooses some for salvation over others, He is not just, and is a respecter of persons. He is neither, and has made salvation available to anyone who will choose to believe.
Did he choose Jacob over Easu, Yes or no?
 
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The natural man cannot believe in spiritual things, they are foolishness unto him.
So then again, if by the Spirit I say that all of mankind will be saved, can you spiritually discern this or are you in fact, the natural man?
 
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Until God quickens a person from dead (spiritually dead) in sins to a life in Christ, Eph 2:5, they have no ability to descern spiritual things, 1 Cor 2:14. Any action of man upon anything spiritual is after they are already born again.
This did not answer my question. I asked are you saying the HS is not capable of explaining the gospel to anyone. You seem to be limiting God. One can not be born again until their sin is forgiven. One's sin is not forgiven until they are justified. Scripture is plain on the FACT that justification (forgiveness of sin) can only happen to those who have faith (faith comes first) thus one can not be born again until they have faith.

Your claiming the HS can not show someone truth, until after this fact, which is not scriptural. and restrains the power of an almighty God
 
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So then again, if by the Spirit I say that all of mankind will be saved, can you spiritually discern this or are you in fact, the natural man?

No one could spiritually discern this, because it is not true. Those who go through the great white throne will not be saved, they will suffer the second death, after the second death, there are no more chances.
 
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No one could spiritually discern this, because it is not true. Those who go through the great white throne will not be saved, they will suffer the second death, after the second death, there are no more chances.
The bible says we die ONCE. ONE TIME. 1. UNO! It's not hard to understand one. We will ALL die. once. Then judgement. Why do you and most limit the ALL POWERFUL GOD to the death of the flesh which PROFITS NOTHING?

What makes your life so different than the one who goes through the white throne judgement? Because you believe?
 
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The bible says we die ONCE. ONE TIME. 1. UNO! It's not hard to understand one. We will ALL die. once. Then judgement. Why do you and most limit the ALL POWERFUL GOD to the death of the flesh which PROFITS NOTHING?

What makes your life so different than the one who goes through the white throne judgement? Because you believe?
Revelation 2:11
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”’

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Now you were saying??

what makes my life different? Christ. I am not worthy of heaven, if christ did not die for me, i would suffer the second death, because I deserve it.

God is not just going to give you salvation. If you reject it in this lifetime you have lost all hope. and WILL suffer the second death!

your right. judgment does follow after we die once. Thus who die the second time follow judgment, it is a part of their judgment.
 
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Revelation 2:11
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”’

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Now you were saying??

what makes my life different? Christ. I am not worthy of heaven, if christ did not die for me, i would suffer the second death, because I deserve it.

God is not just going to give you salvation. If you reject it in this lifetime you have lost all hope. and WILL suffer the second death!

your right. judgment does follow after we die once. Thus who die the second time follow judgment, it is a part of their judgment.
How can one be HURT by the second death? This second death is in fact the death of death and hades.and the only way you can be hurt by it is if you try to hold on to what is passing away! you will suffer loss or be HURT, but you will be saved.

We didn't ask to be here in this evil place. None of us did! For this reason salvation is given to all.
 
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How can one be HURT by the second death? This second death is in fact the death of death and hades.and the only way you can be hurt by it is if you try to hold on to what is passing away! you will suffer loss or be HURT, but you will be saved.

We didn't ask to be here in this evil place. None of us did! For this reason salvation is given to all.
Salvation is not given to all. It is given to those who choose to believe.