WHO ARE THE ELECT?

[eternally-gratefull]

How can one be HURT by the second death? This second death is in fact the death of death and hades.and the only way you can be hurt by it is if you try to hold on to what is passing away! you will suffer loss or be HURT, but you will be saved.

We didn't ask to be here in this evil place. None of us did! For this reason salvation is given to all.

Did you read rev? Death and Hades were delivered to Christ for judgment. They were judged according to what was written in the books, And ended up being cast into the lake of fire "thus suffering the second death" These are people. not a symbolic turn.

God put people on this earth and supplied them every need they had. Man rebelled against God. God did not rebel against man.

But God loved us so much he sent his son to die in our place. But God is not just going to give us salvation. he offers it to everyone, Everyone who will stand in front of him was given the same opportunity (conviction of the HS) No one will have an excuse! He wants us to ask for it. God is not going to save someone who rejected the gift of his son. Period!

 

[Israel]

Did you read rev? Death and Hades were delivered to Christ for judgment. They were judged according to what was written in the books, And ended up being cast into the lake of fire "thus suffering the second death" These are people. not a symbolic turn.

God put people on this earth and supplied them every need they had. Man rebelled against God. God did not rebel against man.

But God loved us so much he sent his son to die in our place. But God is not just going to give us salvation. he offers it to everyone, Everyone who will stand in front of him was given the same opportunity (conviction of the HS) No one will have an excuse! He wants us to ask for it. God is not going to save someone who rejected the gift of his son. Period!

How can death and hades be delivered to Christ? Only through the death of flesh and blood is this possible. If I was a murderer and I died, will I stand before God a murderer, or WILL THAT NATURE OF MY FORMER SELF BE BURNED IN THE LAKE AS I DIED ONCE BEING GUILTY OF THAT LIFESTYLE?

 

[shroom2]

How can death and hades be delivered to Christ? Only through the death of flesh and blood is this possible. If I was a murderer and I died, will I stand before God a murderer

Yes, you will. If you are not a Christian, you are slated for the second death.

or WILL THAT NATURE OF MY FORMER SELF BE BURNED IN THE LAKE AS I DIED ONCE BEING GUILTY OF THAT LIFESTYLE?

If you are not Christian, or not repentant, YOU will be tossed into the lake and destroyed.

 

[Israel]

Yes, you will. If you are not a Christian, you are slated for the second death.


If you are not Christian, or not repentant, YOU will be tossed into the lake and destroyed.

I am NOT a christian! By your understanding, I will be destroyed. God is a SPIRIT, not a christian.

Does not the bible state that in death, I will KNOW NOTHING? How will I know I was a murderer upon resurrection if my thoughts perished at death? God said that He would remember sin no more. Now am I to believe that I will not remember it but He will?

Now again if the bible says that all men are appointed to die ONCE. Why would I contradict it by believing anyone can die twice?? So then it is your UNDERSTANDING of what the second death is that is flawed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How can death and hades be delivered to Christ? Only through the death of flesh and blood is this possible. If I was a murderer and I died, will I stand before God a murderer, or WILL THAT NATURE OF MY FORMER SELF BE BURNED IN THE LAKE AS I DIED ONCE BEING GUILTY OF THAT LIFESTYLE?

Hades is where the SPIRIT of those who have died apart from Christ reside until they are delivered to Judgment.

It does not matter if you died a murderer or a liar or a thief. All sin is sin against God and causes separation from God. God is righteous and can not deal with sin or a sinner. Unless the penalty of sin (which is spiritual death) is removed. You will be spiritually dead for eternity. Physical death is a long term effect of sin. Spiritual death occurred immediately. God told adam in the day you eat you will die. Adam did die that very day, He did not die physically for another 900 years.

You will not burn in hell because you lived in sin, You will burn because you rejected Christ. He paid for your sin. All sin will be forgiven but one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am NOT a christian! By your understanding, I will be destroyed. God is a SPIRIT, not a christian.

Does not the bible state that in death, I will KNOW NOTHING? How will I know I was a murderer upon resurrection if my thoughts perished at death? God said that He would remember sin no more. Now am I to believe that I will not remember it but He will?

Now again if the bible says that all men are appointed to die ONCE. Why would I contradict it by believing anyone can die twice?? So then it is your UNDERSTANDING of what the second death is that is flawed.

Um God sent his son. Christ. It is HIS law that all who reject his son will die the second death. If you reject his son, You will be responsible for your own eternal death. You sent yourself there

 

[shroom2]

I am NOT a christian!

Really? That's a surprise! Why not? Do you confess Jesus as Lord and do you believe God raised him from the dead?

By your understanding, I will be destroyed. God is a SPIRIT, not a christian.

That is correct. God is Spirit, people are Christians (or not).

Does not the bible state that in death, I will KNOW NOTHING? How will I know I was a murderer upon resurrection if my thoughts perished at death?

Because YOU will be raised from the dead. You will be you, with full memory, not some "essence" that has no memory of the past. If we do not remember our past, God cannot fairly judge us. How could we be judged for something we have no recollection of?

God said that He would remember sin no more. Now am I to believe that I will not remember it but He will?

You'll remember...

Now again if the bible says that all men are appointed to die ONCE. Why would I contradict it by believing anyone can die twice??

Because the bible specifically mentions that some will die the second death. Everyone (except those remaining alive when Christ returns) will die. The unrighteous will die the second death.

So then it is your UNDERSTANDING of what the second death is that is flawed.

I suggest it is your understanding that all will be saved that is flawed.

 

[Israel]

Hades is where the SPIRIT of those who have died apart from Christ reside until they are delivered to Judgment.

It does not matter if you died a murderer or a liar or a thief. All sin is sin against God and causes separation from God. God is righteous and can not deal with sin or a sinner. Unless the penalty of sin (which is spiritual death) is removed. You will be spiritually dead for eternity. Physical death is a long term effect of sin. Spiritual death occurred immediately. God told adam in the day you eat you will die. Adam did die that very day, He did not die physically for another 900 years.

You will not burn in hell because you lived in sin, You will burn because you rejected Christ. He paid for your sin. All sin will be forgiven but one.

The bible said that in the day Adam ate from the tree of knowledge he would die. It also states that a day with the LORD is as a thousand years. Did Adam make it to a thousand? No man has!

Now if sin is sin, then surely in the pursuit of the faith of Christ, you found yourself to be a sinner as well. You could be a liar ib ther flesh, but because you believe in Christ, you will be saved while the liar who didn't believe in Him will be destroyed? Christ died for all, to be testified in due time.

It is to God to give the increase not man. We are simply to witness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The bible said that in the day Adam ate from the tree of knowledge he would die. It also states that a day with the LORD is as a thousand years. Did Adam make it to a thousand? No man has!

Now if sin is sin, then surely in the pursuit of the faith of Christ, you found yourself to be a sinner as well. You could be a liar ib ther flesh, but because you believe in Christ, you will be saved while the liar who didn't believe in Him will be destroyed? Christ died for all, to be testified in due time.

It is to God to give the increase not man. We are simply to witness.

To God a day is like 1000 years. To adam a day was a 24 hour period. God did not tell adam in the day you eat (1000 years) you will die.

Before adam sinned he knew God. After he was confused, tried to hide, and thought he was naked. Why? He died spiritually.

No one will be condemned for saying a lie. Anyone who is condemned will be condemned because they rejected Christ.

Christ paid the penalty for all sin but one..

 

[2knowhim]

To God a day is like 1000 years. To adam a day was a 24 hour period. God did not tell adam in the day you eat (1000 years) you will die.

Before adam sinned he knew God. After he was confused, tried to hide, and thought he was naked. Why? He died spiritually.

No one will be condemned for saying a lie. Anyone who is condemned will be condemned because they rejected Christ.

Christ paid the penalty for all sin but one..

So according to the Gospel of YOU,..........This scripture could not possibly be Truth,

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

And should read: Which taketh away the sin of those who don't reject Him.

Is that about right?

 

[feedm3]

So according to the Gospel of YOU,..........This scripture could not possibly be Truth,

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

And should read: Which taketh away the sin of those who don't reject Him.

Is that about right?

Well, "those who dont reject Him" would not be teaching anything that the rest of scripture is not teaching.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[Israel]

Well, "those who dont reject Him" would not be teaching anything that the rest of scripture is not teaching.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Did not God count all in disbelief so that He can save all?

 

[feedm3]

Did not God count all in disbelief so that He can save all?

we know "all have sinned" Rom 3:23.

We also know that Christ died for our sins.

We also know that we can reject Him by living the way we want, and the above passages warn us of doing such.

 

[Israel]

we know "all have sinned" Rom 3:23.

We also know that Christ died for our sins.

We also know that we can reject Him by living the way we want, and the above passages warn us of doing such.

So your death will be better than theirs?

 

[feedm3]

So your death will be better than theirs?

Im sorry but what do you mean by that.

If you mean my physical death of my body, then I dont know because I have no idea about how or when I will die.

If you mean my death in Chirst as compared to ones death that is outside of Chirst then yes as long as I am in Christ then it would be better.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Implication: Those outside of Christ - condemnation.

 

[Israel]

Im sorry but what do you mean by that.

If you mean my physical death of my body, then I dont know because I have no idea about how or when I will die.

If you mean my death in Chirst as compared to ones death that is outside of Chirst then yes as long as I am in Christ then it would be better.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Implication: Those outside of Christ - condemnation.

Don't you understand that the law its only binding as long as a person lives? A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. Upon death of the husband, she is FREE to marry another! ALL of the dead are in Christ.

 

[Israel]

Really? That's a surprise! Why not? Do you confess Jesus as Lord and do you believe God raised him from the dead?


That is correct. God is Spirit, people are Christians (or not).


Because YOU will be raised from the dead. You will be you, with full memory, not some "essence" that has no memory of the past. If we do not remember our past, God cannot fairly judge us. How could we be judged for something we have no recollection of?


You'll remember...


Because the bible specifically mentions that some will die the second death. Everyone (except those remaining alive when Christ returns) will die. The unrighteous will die the second death.


I suggest it is your understanding that all will be saved that is flawed.

Yes I do, but does that make me a christian? Man made christianity and like other religions, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands.

 

[2knowhim]

Don't you understand that the law its only binding as long as a person lives? A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. Upon death of the husband, she is FREE to marry another! ALL of the dead are in Christ.

And you know what's really sad, is that the only ones who don't believe this, is usually christians.

Blessings
Scherryl

 

[feedm3]

Don't you understand that the law its only binding as long as a person lives? A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives.

sure I do. Because when we are living in the flesh, we make the choice to obey God or not.
When we are dead, it is too late to repent and change the mistakes that we have made.

That is why "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" -
otherwise it would not be.

This is when we must:
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

This is why Paul said "we persuade men" - so men will not have to face the wrath of God. Yet it is man that chooses to heed the waring or not to.

Upon death of the husband, she is FREE to marry another! ALL of the dead are in Christ.

No upon the husbands death, the living woman is no longer bound to him because he is no longer living.
the woman is still under the laws of marriage, yet she is free from this restriction forbidding her to marry another while her husband is living.
This does not put all of the dead in Christ.
This puts all of the dead's widows free to remarry.

 

[Israel]

sure I do. Because when we are living in the flesh, we make the choice to obey God or not.
When we are dead, it is too late to repent and change the mistakes that we have made.

That is why "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" -
otherwise it would not be.

This is when we must:
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

This is why Paul said "we persuade men" - so men will not have to face the wrath of God. Yet it is man that chooses to heed the waring or not to.

No upon the husbands death, the living woman is no longer bound to him because he is no longer living.
the woman is still under the laws of marriage, yet she is free from this restriction forbidding her to marry another while her husband is living.
This does not put all of the dead in Christ.
This puts all of the dead's widows free to remarry.

How can anyone make an honest decision about God when it is He that blinds the eyes of those who do not believe to begin with?

And the story about the husband and wife is NOT about a literal marriage but the union of flesh and spirit.