WHO ARE THE ELECT?

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How can anyone make an honest decision about God when it is He that blinds the eyes of those who do not believe to begin with?

And the story about the husband and wife is NOT about a literal marriage but the union of flesh and spirit.

No he is using a literal marriage to illustrate his point of why those under the Law of Moses could convert to Christ, because through Christ the law was fulfilled, it was no longer a valid system, it is therefore dead - Col 2:14.
The laws of marriage he used here are real actual laws that are still in effect today - Matt 19:9.

God did not choose each individual that is blinded by this world, to be blind. they chose to be blind. God blinded them in the sense that they will not submit to the truth, the truth being God's word, so they are blinded by God. Still was their choice, just as it was Pharaoh's choice to disobey, even though the BIble say "God hardened his heart" he hardened it by His word, but freedom of choice is still why one is blinded or not.

 

[Israel]

No he is using a literal marriage to illustrate his point of why those under the Law of Moses could convert to Christ, because through Christ the law was fulfilled, it was no longer a valid system, it is therefore dead - Col 2:14.
The laws of marriage he used here are real actual laws that are still in effect today - Matt 19:9.

God did not choose each individual that is blinded by this world, to be blind. they chose to be blind. God blinded them in the sense that they will not submit to the truth, the truth being God's word, so they are blinded by God. Still was their choice, just as it was Pharaoh's choice to disobey, even though the BIble say "God hardened his heart" he hardened it by His word, but freedom of choice is still why one is blinded or not.

What do you do that is so different than a non christian?

What is the wife of your youth? Marriage is one of the most confusing issues christians have. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all had MULTIPLE women! And yet you know they are saved.

 

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What do you do that is so different than a non christian?

There are many, where would I start in answering this. In fact if you cant answer this yourself, I would question if you are a Christian.

1. I believe in God
2. I believe God.
3. I trust God.
4. I try to obey God to the best of my ability.

Of course the non-Christian would do the opposite.

What is the wife of your youth? Marriage is one of the most confusing issues christians have. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all had MULTIPLE women! And yet you know they are saved.

It's really not confusing, If you can realize Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lived in a different time and a different law system. You are under the NT covenant as am I.

The passages you just used in the earlier post (Rom 7:1-3) reveals you understand Christian marriage laws because you took them from the NT. Are you under the NT? If so, then you understand what God has said to you concerning marriage, it is that simple.

 

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And you know what's really sad, is that the only ones who don't believe this, is usually christians.

Blessings
Scherryl

Maybe that should tell you something.

 

[Israel]

When will we learn that we ALL are predestined by God? For as many Jeremiahs and Johns He raised, The Father ALSO RAISED the pharaohs and judas'!

Romans 8:28-30

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified

 

[shroom2]

Yes I do, but does that make me a christian?

Yes, it does. Fortunately for you.

Man made christianity and like other religions, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands.

Man did not make Christianity. It is God's plan for redeeming man. True Christianity is not like "other religions".

Unfortunately, much man-made religion has crept into Christianity.

 

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When will we learn that we ALL are predestined by God? For as many Jeremiahs and Johns He raised, The Father ALSO RAISED the pharaohs and judas'!

Romans 8:28-30

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestine, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified

Yes God did predestine before the world began, all who choose to obey Him to be heirs of salvation.

You are just another example of wanting to have you cake and eat it too.

You want to believe in God, but you do not want to believe God.

The concept of everyone saved, is a nice thought, yet it is not in the Bible.

you would do well not only to believe in God, but also believe what he says.

Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

who is "them" in this passage that had the power to become the sons of God?

"them" pertains to "as many as received Him" these are predestined for heaven, due to their "receiving Him".

By rejecting His word we are rejecting Him, even if we believe in Him.

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Israel]

There are many, where would I start in answering this. In fact if you cant answer this yourself, I would question if you are a Christian.

1. I believe in God
2. I believe God.
3. I trust God.
4. I try to obey God to the best of my ability.

Of course the non-Christian would do the opposite.





It's really not confusing, If you can realize Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lived in a different time and a different law system. You are under the NT covenant as am I.

The passages you just used in the earlier post (Rom 7:1-3) reveals you understand Christian marriage laws because you took them from the NT. Are you under the NT? If so, then you understand what God has said to you concerning marriage, it is that simple.

Even the devils and most bad people believe in God. Most people who aren't christians try their best to follow the law, whether by letter or in their hearts. To love your neighbor as yourself IS the fulfillment of the law.

How can their be a "different law" in their time for a God that changes NOT?

The wife of your youth is not your physical wife, but the residue of the spirit given to you by God as layed out in Malachi.

 

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Even the devils and most bad people believe in God. Most people who aren't christians try their best to follow the law, whether by letter or in their hearts. To love your neighbor as yourself IS the fulfillment of the law.

But your leaving out the first and foremost command before love your neighbors and that is:
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Before loving our neighbors fulfill anything, we must Love God first.
How do we show we Love Him, not by simply saying it.
Jn 14:15 - if ye love me keep my commandments

How can their be a "different law" in their time for a God that changes NOT?

The covenant changed not God. He is the same, none of His attributes have changed, but the covenant did.
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The wife of your youth is not your physical wife, but the residue of the spirit given to you by God as layed out in Malachi.

No my wife is my wife, physically, literally, however you want to look at it.
God has given woman for man, and He instituted marriage, and He has bound me together with my wife:
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

 

[Israel]

But your leaving out the first and foremost command before love your neighbors and that is:
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Before loving our neighbors fulfill anything, we must Love God first.
How do we show we Love Him, not by simply saying it.
Jn 14:15 - if ye love me keep my commandments
The covenant changed not God. He is the same, none of His attributes have changed, but the covenant did.
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

No my wife is my wife, physically, literally, however you want to look at it.
God has given woman for man, and He instituted marriage, and He has bound me together with my wife:
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Malachi 2:14-15

14Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

15And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

This is what it means to be married. In heaven, your partner will be your sister.

The bible says that no man has seen God at any time. I didn't forget the first commandment, it's just that the only way to know if one obeys the first is by obeying the one JUST LIKE IT.

 

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So according to the Gospel of YOU,..........This scripture could not possibly be Truth,

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

And should read: Which taketh away the sin of those who don't reject Him.

Is that about right?

no. he took the sin of the world. there is but on sin that will not be forgiven. No one will go to hell because they commit murder or adultry or covet. They will go to eternal darkness because they commited the unpardonable sin.

 

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Did not God count all in disbelief so that He can save all?

No, he counted them all in disbelief so he could have the opportunity to save all. Salvation is not guaranteed to anyone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes I do, but does that make me a christian? Man made christianity and like other religions, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands.

Your right. My body was not made with human hands, It was created by God. And God resides in those who come to him. And he sits in the inner sanctum of his temple making intercession for those of us who have come to him. Having made the perfect sacrifice which th eblood of bulls and goats could not do.

Your also right, we are bound by the law until we die. But even though the law disappears. we are still bound by one fact. Anyone who commits the unpardonable sin will never be forgiven in this age (life hear on earth) or the next (eternity future after death!

 

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What do you do that is so different than a non christian?

What is the wife of your youth? Marriage is one of the most confusing issues christians have. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all had MULTIPLE women! And yet you know they are saved.

yeah they were. Still in sin. God never promised his children would be sinless.

 

[Israel]

Your right. My body was not made with human hands, It was created by God. And God resides in those who come to him. And he sits in the inner sanctum of his temple making intercession for those of us who have come to him. Having made the perfect sacrifice which th eblood of bulls and goats could not do.

Your also right, we are bound by the law until we die. But even though the law disappears. we are still bound by one fact. Anyone who commits the unpardonable sin will never be forgiven in this age (life hear on earth) or the next (eternity future after death!

Do you know what the unpardonable sin is?

Or bodies are the temple, but the bible says that Christ lights EVERY MAN that comes into the world.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you know what the unpardonable sin is?

yeah. reject what the HS is doing. call him a liar. as the pharisees did when they said that Christ did what he did by the power of satan and not God himself. They attributed the work Christ was doing to someone other than the HS, and the message the HS taught through Christ, which was proven to be from God through the things Jesus did, to satan.

Or bodies are the temple, but the bible says that Christ lights EVERY MAN that comes into the world.

passage?

 

[Israel]

No, he counted them all in disbelief so he could have the opportunity to save all. Salvation is not guaranteed to anyone.

The will of the Father is to save ALL.

Jesus came to do the WILL OF THE FATHER.

In His death and resurrection, the Father put ALL POWER IN HIS HANDS TO CARRY OUT THAT FUNCTION! It's the Father's will that Jesus prayed be done and I pray for it as well. Let HIS will be done!

 

[Israel]

yeah. reject what the HS is doing. call him a liar. as the pharisees did when they said that Christ did what he did by the power of satan and not God himself. They attributed the work Christ was doing to someone other than the HS, and the message the HS taught through Christ, which was proven to be from God through the things Jesus did, to satan.

passage?

Typical "rejection of the Holy Spirit" answer I expect from a well trained christian. Jesus starts by saying ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMIES WILL BE FORGIVEN AMONG MEN. To have the HS is to have TRUTH dwell with you. To blaspheme the Spirit is to then say that God cannot forgive ANY SIN.

And do I really have to quote the verse about Christ being the light of every man that comes into the world? I learned the beginning of John when I was a kid in bible school.

 

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Typical "rejection of the Holy Spirit" answer I expect from a well trained christian. Jesus starts by saying ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMIES WILL BE FORGIVEN AMONG MEN. To have the HS is to have TRUTH dwell with you. To blaspheme the Spirit is to then say that God cannot forgive ANY SIN.

Typical of those who

1. Twist scripture
2. Do not paste the WHOLE passage in question.

Matt 12: 30 - 32

30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; butwhoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

1. If your not with Christ your against him.
2. All sin and blasphemy will be forgiven all men.
3. But, Blasphemy of the HS will never be forgiven in this age or the age to come.
4. What is this blasphemy? To speak against the spirit. to call him a liar. To reject what he is saying and doing.

Now you want to try again? or continue to twist, and only post part of the passage?

And do I really have to quote the verse about Christ being the light of every man that comes into the world? I learned the beginning of John when I was a kid in bible school.

Oh you mean the verse that says he came to BE the light to all. yet again your picking and chosing and not showing the whole picture. What does John say about Christ?

1. Vs 7 : 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe

Does it say they will believe? It says they may. maybe they will, maybe they wont.

2. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Who does John say will be Gods children and be forgiven? The whole world? NO! Those who recieve him (Christ) he gave the right, why? Because they believe in his name (have faith in him.

Got any more passages you want to twist, or give just part of the whole picture?

 

[shroom2]

The will of the Father is to save ALL.

Jesus came to do the WILL OF THE FATHER.

In His death and resurrection, the Father put ALL POWER IN HIS HANDS TO CARRY OUT THAT FUNCTION! It's the Father's will that Jesus prayed be done and I pray for it as well. Let HIS will be done!

God wants all men to be saved, and because of the work of Christ, it is available for all men to be saved.

But faith is required. It is up to each person to choose whether to believe or not.