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Again, the elect are born into this world just like the non elect reprobate, as spiritually lost sinners, dead in sin !
However the difference between the spiritually lost elect and the spiritually lost non elect is the Grace of God in election, which ensures that the elect will be quickened from spiritual deadness, and made alive unto God, and given faith in Christ ! Also the elect were born already Justified by Christs blood, the non elect wasn't.
The elect ... they are born into the world as spiritually lost sinners
"spiritually lost sinners" ... another of your made up concepts. Quit sugar-coating what God tells you is truth.
All descendants of Adam are born dead in trespasses and sins. That you want yourself to be separated from the mass of humanity by claiming you were born "as spiritually lost sinners" does not mean you were not born dead in trespasses and sins, wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom alse we all had our conversation in times past it he lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires ot he flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others (Eph 2:1-3).
"spiritually lost sinners" ... another of your made up concepts. Quit sugar-coating what God tells you is truth.
All descendants of Adam are born dead in trespasses and sins. That you want yourself to be separated from the mass of humanity by claiming you were born "as spiritually lost sinners" does not mean you were not born dead in trespasses and sins, wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom alse we all had our conversation in times past it he lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires ot he flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others (Eph 2:1-3).
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they are nevertheless Justified before God based solely on Christs death for them, which death put away their sin debt before Gods Law and Justice.
Again, Scripture tells us when a person is "Justified before God":
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Just because God has chosen to impute righteousness to those who believe does not negate the Lord Jesus Christ having "put away their sin debt". You do know that the Lord Jesus Christ is the lamb slain before the foundation of the world (which was long before He was crucified).
You really need to rid yourself of your erroneous dogma. Believe what God tells you in His Word.
they are nevertheless Justified before God based solely on Christs death for them, which death put away their sin debt before Gods Law and Justice.
Again, Scripture tells us when a person is "Justified before God":
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Just because God has chosen to impute righteousness to those who believe does not negate the Lord Jesus Christ having "put away their sin debt". You do know that the Lord Jesus Christ is the lamb slain before the foundation of the world (which was long before He was crucified).
You really need to rid yourself of your erroneous dogma. Believe what God tells you in His Word.