Why do some Christians think modern crossdressing is an abomination?

rshamlet · Sep 19, 2017

Why do so many christians us the Bible as a book of case law to point out the sins of others? If you think crossdressing is an abomination ask yourself, have you ever eaten lobster, or bacon? Guess what? These are in the Bible's list of abominations--or can you cherry pick the laws you like and disregard the ones you don't? Have you not read Acts 15? The apostles nullified the Law of Moses saying, "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" They gave only four restrictions, "...abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." I think that modern christians only have to worry about one of these restrictions. Of course there are the two great commandments and a few instructions concerning modesty, but we don't need to spend our day bean counting how we have complied with a list of rules of conduct. Combing through the Old Testament looking for rules to judge by is nothing short of being a pharisee. Crossdressing is a deep-seated need that causes tremendous anxiety. This anxiety can only be relieved by acting on the need. Because of the shame heaped upon them by our society and particularly many christians, this leads to feelings of guilt, shame, self loathing and often suicide. I don't think we have a right to judge them unless we have walked a mile in their shoes. Excluding the Law of Moses the Bible is unclear if this is acceptable or not. We need to show them the pure love of Christ and accept them as they are into full fellowship. If what they are doing is wrong, that is for the Lord to judge, not us. Finding full acceptance into the body of christians they may be influenced by those around them and can gradually find peace without displeasing the Lord. If what they are doing is not wrong, may we find peace in accepting them.

Angela53510 · Sep 19, 2017

Old post! Be warned!

Willie-T · Sep 19, 2017

Aerin said:

Because clothes that are tailored to one gender fit better or can look just as good on the other gender in "some" cases. My next question would be does it make men uncomfortable to see a casual, non-tacky cross dresser? Because in my experience women honestly don't seem to care - it's all about personal preference.

From the spiritual view, is it more wrong for a man to simply "see" a woman in something attractive that may cause him to have lustful thoughts, or for him to "see" a cross dresser in the same outfit? And should the woman change and cover up her dress style to accommodate the men or should the man practice self control to overcome temptation from simply seeing it?

Perhaps you might benefit from seeing a shrink.

MarcR · Sep 19, 2017

We are not under law but under grace. All things are lawful but not all things are profitable.

While both the above Scriptural statements are true; neither excuse us from seeking and following God's will.

Dt 22:5
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
KJV

We might well ask what is the intent here. There is strong evidence that cross dressing was an element of pagan ritual.

What is gender appropriate is very much determined by the culture and society in which one lives.

I also think that motivation and intent is more important than the act itself.

If the motive for cross dressing is homosexual attraction it is clearly outside God's will.

If the motive is personal comfort and it is not lewd I don't think God, or most believers would have much problem with it.

If a boy disguises himself as a girl to sneak a peek in the girls locker room it is clearly wrong.

blue_ladybug · Sep 19, 2017

3 year old zombie thread..

Elijah101 · Sep 19, 2017

Transgenders are not normal. Only mentally ill people think it's ok and satanists.

MarcR · Sep 19, 2017

Elijah101 said:

I agree with you that this is true of what most people call transvestites.

I think the thread is asking 'how far does the prohibition extend?'. If my wife wears my socks because they are warmer than hers is that cross dressing? I don't think so.

Laish · Sep 19, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

I think the thread is being dressed up to look like a new thread .
oh no a cross dressing thread !
Blessings
Bill

MarcR · Sep 19, 2017

I think some of us, myself included, have moved away from the OP question.

[h=2]Why do some Christians think modern crossdressing is an abomination?[/h]
answer: Because Deut 22:5 says so.

If by "modern cross dressing" you mean wearing clothes designed for the other gender for comfort in ways that are not lewd that might be overly legalistic; but it doesn't change the answer.

I think the drift the thread has taken is likely more helpful than problematic but it is none-the-less a drift.

prove-all · Sep 19, 2017

Separate Clothing for Boys and Girls? Get It While You Can

John Lewis department stores has become the first UK retailer
to remove gender labels from its children’s clothing.
John Lewis gets rid of 'boys' and 'girls' labels in children's clothing | The Independent

John Lewis has topped a UK ranking of consumer perceptions of quality
and reputation, followed by BBC iPlayer and Sony.
John Lewis, BBC and Sony seen as best quality brands in the UK | The Independent

An exchange over John Lewis’s controversial move was recently hosted on Good Morning Britain:
https://youtu.be/5eUBgyxBQ04

John Lewis isn’t the only store going in this direction for children’s clothing.
Target has just launched a new gender-neutral line, which will be featured in
many stores between the girls’ and boys’ sections. The move comes in
conjunction with Target’s decision to start installing gender-neutral bathrooms.

A Church of England school allowed its boys to start wearing dresses if they so chose.
The news revolved around a couple that removed their two children from the school
after a transgender classmate was given permission to wear a dress.
Christian parents hit out at school's 'political agenda' after trans classmate allowed to wear dress | The Independent

Of course, the gender-bending is not limited to children.

Many companies are designing and producing genderless adult clothing, even
pushing the idea that separate men’s and women’s clothing should not even exist.

Case in point: Selfridges’ Oxford Street store replaced its men’s and women’s
sections with three entire floors of “agender” products.
Selfridges unveils its agender fashion campaign at Oxford Street store | Daily Mail Online

Selfridges, like John Lewis, is a well-known and even prestigious brand.
Of course, by now this should not be surprising. These stores are only now finally
catching up with the kinds of items that have been paraded around catwalks for
years. For example, here’s fashion designer J. W. Anderson’s reportedly “standout”
take on men’s fall fashion for 2013:
https://youtu.be/7mkJwDlSFl0

This year’s London Fashion Week Men’s spring collection was along similar lines
https://uk.reuters.com/news/picture/london-fashion-week-mens-spring-2018-idUKRTS16R4V
—a rank and file of gaunt males, most of them pasty white and long-haired,
variously arrayed in dresses, tube tops, and high heels.

the Guardian’s head of fashion Imogen Fox wrote in the 2015 season:
“This is perhaps the main point of the 2015 take on unisex—that menswear
is becoming more feminine and not the other way around.” Her article
“Dude Looks Likes a Lady: The Unisex Trend Blurring Gender Boundaries”
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2015/mar/09/unisex-trend-menswear-gender

the more traditional stores, they are starting with the children.

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What was just yesterday a drive to make the minuscule segment of the population
that is transgender feel accepted is quickly becoming a mainstream effort to teach
our children that there are no differences between males and females.

And that, should they so desire, they may change sex or identify as no sex.
That by the age of 2 they can make a decision about being transgender.
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/gage-c...o-years-old-univ-calif-mental-health-director

this kind of instruction has caused a massive uptick in children seeking medical
advice for their gender. The UK’s Gender Identity Development Service (a clinic
specifically for young people) has seen a 2,000 percent increase in referrals since 2009.
I’m a Pediatrician. How Transgender Ideology Has Infiltrated My Field and Produced Large-Scale Child Abuse.

This education has left several young people traumatized.

The people behind these moves want us to raise up a new generation to believe
they can be any sex they want, whenever they want. They want parents to accept
that if children decide (perhaps by the age of 2) that they are not the right gender,
they can start wearing clothing of the opposite sex—which quickly begins to have
far more radical ramifications: taking pre-puberty hormone blockers; later getting
nipped, tucked and inserted with various plastic appendages. Many of these young
people will surely decide to be no gender at all and may go down the track of
removing nipples and genitals altogether to become purely “sexless.”

That’s not choice. That’s abuse.

Michelle Cretella, M.D., president of the American College of Pediatricians, (bravely) pointed out in her article “I’m a Pediatrician. How Transgender Ideology Has Infiltrated My Field and Produced Large-scale Child Abuse,” it is child abuse to be pumping our children with hormone adjusters and various other largely untested medical procedures. And it’s child abuse to be brainwashing our children from toddler age that their gender is simply fluid. Gender is developed and hardwired in the womb. To pretend otherwise, and teach otherwise, is a dangerous lie.
I’m a Pediatrician. How Transgender Ideology Has Infiltrated My Field and Produced Large-Scale Child Abuse.

A recent article on the UK Mirror lambasted those who take issue against “boys wearing dresses.” The author stated, criticizing the religious, “The Bible does not discuss … cross-dressing.” Actually, it does. Deuteronomy 22:5 unequivocally states: “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.”
What's wrong with boys in dresses? Let's ask the Archbishop of Canterbury - Fleet Street Fox - Mirror Online

Separate Clothing for Boys and Girls? Get It While You Can
https://www.thetrumpet.com/16298-separate-clothing-for-boys-and-girls-get-it-while-you-can

God created two genders for a supreme purpose.Attempts to blur and destroy
this will always end badly.It is destroying the family, the foundation of society

mcubed · Sep 20, 2017

Aerin said:

There are unisex cloths. I do not shop men's cloths. Yes, I wear my son's t-shirts. What is your goal with this thread. Has G-d made us male and female? Yes! No one can be that confused about crossdressing... When I worked as a phlebotomist I has men in dresses. I refused to call them mam. They are a male whether they like it or not . I still took their blood it was my job but a dress will not make you a girl just like male jeans will not make a boy. Stand out for what is wrong and why bring up the silly?

presidente · Sep 24, 2017

mcubed said:

Good for you. It is rude and insulting to knowingly and wilfully call a man 'her', 'she' or 'ma'am' or a woman 'sir', etc. We have to cut non-native speakers some slack, and transvestites bring it on themselves if they trick people into thinking they are the opposite gender. Why contribute to someone else's confusion?

presidente · Sep 24, 2017

prove-all said:

Social engineers and ideologues may push this sort of thing, but I think if there are still some smart companies out there, they will keep a niche open for masculine clothes.

Yeah. How sick and stupid. We knew the gay marriage thing would open the floodgates. I saw a Ben Shapiro clip. Have you ever seen the second Newhart show, where Bob Newhart's character lived in a town where nearly everyone was mentally challenged in some way? That's what it felt like watching this. Are our colleges training people to be crazy?

I saw an article in favor of giving drugs to keep kids from going through puberty if they were gender confused. It cited a medical study that showed that giving these drugs could prevent aggression and stress. Hmmm. Puberty hormones can cause aggression and stress. Boys may get a bit aggressive as they learn to deal with the testosterone. Kids get self-conscious as they develop social awareness and go through all these physical changes. Preventing that was presented as if it were good for the children.

I read a post on this on another forum that suggested if they came up with a shot that kept kids from getting new teeth, just to keep their baby teeth. A study on that may show they experience less pain. So we could argue to give kids a shot to keep them from getting their baby teeth. Both of these 'solutions' just delay suffering until later. The kids' teeth would rot out when he is a teen or young adult. The kids with the hormone shots would have to suffer with the doctor-induced disorder they experience later in life. Not going through puberty is a medical disorder. I saw a little clip that dealt with a man that had this condition online. His voice hadn't changed and he was in his 20's. Doctors treat this sort of thing. Now, the ideologue doctors may be trying to inflict the ailment on children.

They should at the very least imprison doctors who perform sex change operations if the reason is simply gender confusion (as opposed to being a hermaphrodite or other legitimate physical medical reasons.) And there should be very harsh penalties indeed for inflicting hormone treatments of this sort on minors. It goes without saying that they should lose their medical licenses.

Bladerunner · Sep 25, 2017

If one is cross dressing, they already have other things on their minds. Here are good reasons turn to God for help with this afliction.

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Genesis 19:1-38 - And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing [them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

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Romans 1:26-28 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1 Timothy 1:10 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Mark 10:6-9 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Timothy 1:10-11 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:32 - Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 13:8-10 - Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

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Of course there are some of these verses that have more than what is printed on this post. Fell free to look them up.

MarcR · Sep 25, 2017

Angela53510 said:

What is the difference between bringing up an old thread or starting a new one?

I think bringing back an old thread produces less clutter.

heartofdavid · Sep 25, 2017

Last days deception.

As it was in the days of Lot..

Massive perversion

Alongside it,the defenders of perversion.

After 8 years of Obama,the races are at each others throats and we are confused which restrooms to use.

garee · Sep 25, 2017

Aerin said:

It destroys the intended witness to use a man and woman(one creation mankind) the only creatures that where made in his image and likeness to represent Christ our Husband not seen, and us his chaste virgin bride .

The onward decline of morality and changing of laws that were to protect the representative glory destroyed marriage used as a shadow to represent our union his bride, the church, with Christ our husband.

The goal of the father of lies the god of this world. Its the tip of the ice berg. What's next on the chopping block of free will ?

Proverbs 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

tourist · Sep 25, 2017

heartofdavid said:

I'm not confused on what restroom to use. There is a sign of the door. I use the Men's room. Easy to figure out.

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