Worshipping the Bible is Idolatry!

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

keep believing that Scott. Your gonna get a rude awakening

one day when you find out the church, and men you worship steered you wrong. And it will

have eternal consequences if you do not start to trust God, and study for yourself, and

stop listening to men.

Sorry to be so blunt, but those are the facts my friend!

Dear eternallygratefull:

How do "I" know that "you" aren't steering "me" wrong? Cite one author between 100 and 200 AD that

teaches your unique doctrines, and maybe you will convince me!


Why do you say, "Study the way I, Eternally gratefull", tell you to study. Don't read the Church

Fathers. Pay attention to teachers, yes, to "men"

only after 1517 AD in Germany.

Do you really know the facts, or only what MEN are telling YOU that you "ought to believe"?


Why do you say that "I worship men"? Do you worship "the study of EG", a man?

Why do you trust your own private study?

And why do you state the lie that "faith alone doesn't come from Martin Luther", it "comes from the

Bible"?

That is clearly NOT SO!

Take care my friend! God bless you. In Erie Scott

PS What are the eternal consequences of believing the Creed of Nicea and Constantinople (Nicea, 325

AD, Constantinople, 381 AD), without the addition "and the Son" added to John 15:26?

Please show me where this Creed is wrong and will lead anyone "away from God" and will have "eternal

consequences" in any bad way whatsoever?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear eternallygratefull:

How do "I" know that "you" aren't steering "me" wrong? Cite one author between 100 and 200 AD that

teaches your unique doctrines, and maybe you will convince me!


Why do you say, "Study the way I, Eternally gratefull", tell you to study. Don't read the Church

Fathers. Pay attention to teachers, yes, to "men"

only after 1517 AD in Germany.

Do you really know the facts, or only what MEN are telling YOU that you "ought to believe"?


Why do you say that "I worship men"? Do you worship "the study of EG", a man?

Why do you trust your own private study?

And why do you state the lie that "faith alone doesn't come from Martin Luther", it "comes from the

Bible"?

That is clearly NOT SO!

Take care my friend! God bless you. In Erie Scott

PS What are the eternal consequences of believing the Creed of Nicea and Constantinople (Nicea, 325

AD, Constantinople, 381 AD), without the addition "and the Son" added to John 15:26?

Please show me where this Creed is wrong and will lead anyone "away from God" and will have "eternal

consequences" in any bad way whatsoever?

Thanks for proving you listen to men and Not God.

My doctrines come from Christ himself. And the men HE AUTHORISED to write his word, and teach his gospel. Not men who come after, and tell you to listen to them or else.

You condemn us as of worshiping the word. yet you worship men. See the irony?

ps. I can't steer you wrong. Unlike the men you worship. All I do is tell you what I believe, what you believe is between you and God. I am not trying to force my doctrines on you, and scare you from going anywhere else. The men you follow use that tactic my friend. I wish you could see it.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Thanks for proving you listen to men and Not God.

My doctrines come from Christ himself. And the men HE AUTHORISED to write his word, and teach his gospel. Not men who come after, and tell you to listen to them or else.

You condemn us as of worshiping the word. yet you worship men. See the irony?

ps. I can't steer you wrong. Unlike the men you worship. All I do is tell you what I believe, what you believe is between you and God. I am not trying to force my doctrines on you, and scare you from going anywhere else. The men you follow use that tactic my friend. I wish you could see it.

How can you say you're "not" trying to scare me or anything, when you talk about "eternal consequences"? Sounds like hypocrisy on your part, dear friend.
You are steering wrong by saying the lie that I worship men.
Where is the truth in what you say? Why do you accuse me of things I don't do? You aren't acting correctly.
I worship God alone in Spirit and Truth.
You failed to answer my question about the Nicene Creed?
What is wrong with believing and acting upon the Nicene Creed of 381 AD?
Where does anything it teaches contradict the Bible?
We believe the True Faith. Which is:
"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and of the Virgin Mary, and became man; He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried, and arose on the third day, according to the scriprures. And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father; And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of Whose Kingdom there is no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord true and life-giving, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spake by the prophets. And in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church. I confess one baptism for the remission of sins. I wait for the resurrection of the dead, And the life of the age to come. Amen."

God save me. God save us all. God save you. God bless us. God bless you. Amen.
That Creed is what I believe, and it is true that I do not worship men. I don't think you worship men.
But you do believe in private Bible study can't steer you wrong because "you have the Holy Spirit".
I don't think I'm infallible. I'm not sure what you really think about yourself.
God bless you! In Erie Scott R. Harrington

 

[StMichaelTheArchangel]

Thanks for proving you listen to men and Not God.

My doctrines come from Christ himself. And the men HE AUTHORISED to write his word, and teach his gospel. Not men who come after, and tell you to listen to them or else.

You condemn us as of worshiping the word. yet you worship men. See the irony?

ps. I can't steer you wrong. Unlike the men you worship. All I do is tell you what I believe, what you believe is between you and God. I am not trying to force my doctrines on you, and scare you from going anywhere else. The men you follow use that tactic my friend. I wish you could see it.

Excuse me brother, I could also say that you worship men if you only believe in the Bible as the only writing which is inspired by God. By taking this stance you show that you think only that the men who wrote the Bible were inspired by God, and so by this you make an idol out of the authors.

When we Orthodox say we believe in Saints, we are not worshiping men at all, we are worshiping Christ who illumined the Saints to teach us the path of holiness and perfection. Most of the Saints wrote books, and their books are extremely valuable for the spiritual life. These books are the treasures of the Christian Faith. The Holy Triune God has given us holy men throughout the 2000 years of Christian History, in order to teach us how to life a Christian life properly. But whenever Protestants like yourself make the assertion that the Bible is the only source of teaching, you make a grave error because you then deny the existence of the Holy Spirit operating in the Saints who are our "shepherds and teachers". You deny "pastors and teachers" which St Paul told us the Church would have.


Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.


When does it say he gave "shepherds and teachers"?From the beginning and until we all come to the "knowledge of Christ" and the "fullness of Christ". We cannot come to the "knowledge of Christ" or the "fullness of Christ" without the "shepherds and teachers". He did not say that that "God gave us the Holy Bible so that we could reach the fullness of Christ", but he said through "shepherds and teachers".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Excuse me brother, I could also say that you worship men if you only believe in the Bible as the only writing which is inspired by God. By taking this stance you show that you think only that the men who wrote the Bible were inspired by God, and so by this you make an idol out of the authors.

When we Orthodox say we believe in Saints, we are not worshiping men at all, we are worshiping Christ who illumined the Saints to teach us the path of holiness and perfection. Most of the Saints wrote books, and their books are extremely valuable for the spiritual life. These books are the treasures of the Christian Faith. The Holy Triune God has given us holy men throughout the 2000 years of Christian History, in order to teach us how to life a Christian life properly. But whenever Protestants like yourself make the assertion that the Bible is the only source of teaching, you make a grave error because you then deny the existence of the Holy Spirit operating in the Saints who are our "shepherds and teachers". You deny "pastors and teachers" which St Paul told us the Church would have.


Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.


When does it say he gave "shepherds and teachers"?From the beginning and until we all come to the "knowledge of Christ" and the "fullness of Christ". We cannot come to the "knowledge of Christ" or the "fullness of Christ" without the "shepherds and teachers". He did not say that that "God gave us the Holy Bible so that we could reach the fullness of Christ", but he said through "shepherds and teachers".

Excuse me brother. But God himself said that scripture is inspired By God. and non of the men who wrote a word in it took credit. Nor do I give them any. If they wrote the wor4d of their own volition, it would not be perfect. It is perfect because God put it together.

As for shepherds and teachers. Who are we to trust? What is the guideline?

History? History was not on Christ's side it was on the jews side. They had the priesthood, the laws, the words of God, and could trace their roots back to Abraham Moses and Arron. History also shows that with in one generation of God giving people things, the truth was distorted. and the strong won out. So we can not use history.

Men? Men even in Christ;s time, who were put in a position of authority failed and changed to a false gospel. so we can't trust men,

Scripture is the ONLY thing we can use to tell who is showing truth and who is not. Why? Because God wrote it. Anything else is from men.

As for people who misinterpret. that is between them and God. if someone follows them. that is between them and God. but to not "test all spirit" using Gods holy word to see who is teaching truth and who is not with an OPEN heart, is dangerous, and plain foolish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How can you say you're "not" trying to scare me or anything, when you talk about "eternal consequences"? Sounds like hypocrisy on your part, dear friend.
You are steering wrong by saying the lie that I worship men.
Where is the truth in what you say? Why do you accuse me of things I don't do? You aren't acting correctly.
I worship God alone in Spirit and Truth.
You failed to answer my question about the Nicene Creed?
What is wrong with believing and acting upon the Nicene Creed of 381 AD?
Where does anything it teaches contradict the Bible?
We believe the True Faith. Which is:
"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and of the Virgin Mary, and became man; He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried, and arose on the third day, according to the scriprures. And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father; And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of Whose Kingdom there is no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord true and life-giving, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spake by the prophets. And in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church. I confess one baptism for the remission of sins. I wait for the resurrection of the dead, And the life of the age to come. Amen."

God save me. God save us all. God save you. God bless us. God bless you. Amen.
That Creed is what I believe, and it is true that I do not worship men. I don't think you worship men.
But you do believe in private Bible study can't steer you wrong because "you have the Holy Spirit".
I don't think I'm infallible. I'm not sure what you really think about yourself.
God bless you! In Erie Scott R. Harrington

So its ok for you to say I worship a book, given by God. but how dare anyone say you worship men? Talk about being a hypocrit!!

If you don't like the truth about eternity. I can't help you. Your trying to earn your way to heaven. God will reject your works. and will not take even one of them as payment for your sin,

You need to be born again, Given eternal life. And stop working for conditional life. Or you will not be happy with the final outcome.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

So its ok for you to say I worship a book, given by God. but how

dare anyone say you worship men? Talk about being a hypocrit!!

If you don't like the truth about eternity. I can't help you. Your trying to earn your way to

heaven. God will reject your works. and will not take even one of them as payment for

your sin, You need to be born again, Given eternal life. And stop working for conditional

life. Or you will not be happy with the final outcome.

Dear eternallygratefull:

1. I did not say that you worship a book. So start telling the truth. I did not say anything about you worshipping any book. So please tell the truth, okay?

2. Did I say I think I can earn my way to heaven? No. Again, you aren't telling the truth!

3. Christ's blood is the payment for all of our sins. Including mine. Not by works of righteousness which I do (Titus 3:5).

4. Yes. I need to be born again. Does that happen without water and the Holy Spirit? Not according to John 3:3,5.

5. Do you believe you have been born again? How? How do you know it is so?

6. If the Bible alone is the truth, how could the church be the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim.

3:15)?

Your belief is predicated on the belief there is no church we can turn to to say, "This is the true church

that Christ founded that rightly interprets the Bible". You read your own private study of the Bible

into everything, but you read the word "church" out of your Bible(s).

For you, its "eternallygratefull" alone with the Bible, telling others (just me, I guess) "you're in for a rude

awakening".

Sounds like you are condemning others. Is that charitable?

God bless you and save you. Amen.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

PS Recommended reading: Ephesians chapter 4.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Its not just what we say, its what history says.

Look at this timeline:

that is what eastern orthodoxist distortion of history says...most christians in the world would disagree with your timeline...

roman catholics would have shown the eastern orthodox churches breaking away from -them- and going off in their own direction...

the oriental orthodox churches aren't even shown on your timeline...but they would have shown the chalcedonian churches that later became roman catholicism and eastern orthodoxism splitting away from them and going off in their own direction in AD 451

obviously a church's historical roots cannot be the sign of 'the one true church'...since no less than five modern churches claim apostolic roots...and they cannot all be 'the one true church'

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Dear eternallygratefull:

6. If the Bible alone is the truth, how could the church be the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim.

3:15)?

the church...the -true- church which is the community of all those who are saved and not some historic institution...is the 'pillar and ground of truth' because it upholds scripture as the source of its truth

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

that is what eastern orthodoxist distortion of history says...most christians in the world would disagree with your timeline...

roman catholics would have shown the eastern orthodox churches breaking away from -them- and going off in their own direction...

the oriental orthodox churches aren't even shown on your timeline...but they would have shown the chalcedonian churches that later became roman catholicism and eastern orthodoxism splitting away from them and going off in their own direction in AD 451

obviously a church's historical roots cannot be the sign of 'the one true church'...since no less than five modern churches claim apostolic roots...and they cannot all be 'the one true church

'

What do the Protestants have for an authority? Themselves. Not the Bible. Not Tradition. Men. "Reformers".
Martin Luther said this as to why people should believe him when he says "faith alone". "It is so. And I will have it so. And my own will is reason enough. It is so because I, Herr Doctor Martin Luther, say it is so".
It is the same self-spirit of pride (human arrogance) that drives the Latin papacy.
The Protestants don't like what the Orthodox Church says. They do, however, pay homage to Martin Luther, and believe something "Because Martin Luther says so". Talk about following "traditions of men".
38,000 Protestant denominations of men do just that!

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

the church...the -true- church which is the community of all those who are saved and not some historic institution...is the 'pillar and ground of truth' because it upholds scripture as the source of its truth

Not so! The Scripture upholds the Church as the source of it's truth! That is what 1 Timothy 3:15 proves. The Church, not the Bible, is "the pillar and ground of the truth". I guess you can't read the English language, Rachel!
The Church is not an institution. It is the Body of Christ.
It is visible and identifiable. It has bishops.
Not all Protestants have bishops.
The true Church has true bishops.
Rome has false bishops.
Because they falsify John 15:26 and other Scriptures.

 

[StMichaelTheArchangel]

that is what eastern orthodoxist distortion of history says...most christians in the world would disagree with your timeline...

Not most. There are an estimated 300 million Eastern Orthodox Christians in the world so you are wrong when you say, "most christians would disagree with my timeline".

roman catholics would have shown the eastern orthodox churches breaking away from -them- and going off in their own direction...

the oriental orthodox churches aren't even shown on your timeline...but they would have shown the chalcedonian churches that later became roman catholicism and eastern orthodoxism splitting away from them and going off in their own direction in AD 451

The only reason why the Eastern Orthodox Church is the only True Church is because of its adherence to the 7 Ecumenical Councils. Non of the other Ancient Churches such as the Oriental Orthodox and the Roman Catholic's adhere to the 7 Ecumenical Councils. The Oriental Orthodox is in heresy because they rejected the council of Chalcedon which affirmed that Christ had 2 natures. The Roman Catholic Church is in heresy because because of their Papal Infallibility doctrine.

obviously a church's historical roots cannot be the sign of 'the one true church'...since no less than five modern churches claim apostolic roots...and they cannot all be 'the one true church'

The Protestants themselves claim Apostolic roots because of their belief in the Bible, yet there are many different sects in Protestantism who claim that they are Apostolic and are the "True Church". There are hundreds if not thousands of Protestants who claim that they are the True Church and have the True Faith (teaching). Many times it is the individuals who claim that they have the True Faith and the True Church. They will usually say that the Church is invisible - but this is impossible because St Paul said that the Church is the "Ground and pillar of the Truth" (1 Tim 3:15), this means that the Church is an actual organization of temples.

You must mean that there are no more than 5 HISTORICAL Churches which can claim Apostolic roots. This being so, we look at the timeline of the Ancient Church and we find that only the Eastern Orthodox Church is the True Church because of its adherence to the 7 Ecumenical Councils... This makes it the One True Historical Church because the 1st Ecumenical Council was created by the original Apostolic Church, and all of the following Ecumenical Councils were created by this same Church.

 

[Abiding]

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Not most. There are an estimated 300 million Eastern Orthodox Christians in the world so you are wrong when you say, "most christians would disagree with my timeline".



The only reason why the Eastern Orthodox Church is the only True Church is because of its adherence to the 7 Ecumenical Councils. Non of the other Ancient Churches such as the Oriental Orthodox and the Roman Catholic's adhere to the 7 Ecumenical Councils. The Oriental Orthodox is in heresy because they rejected the council of Chalcedon which affirmed that Christ had 2 natures. The Roman Catholic Church is in heresy because because of their Papal Infallibility doctrine.



The Protestants themselves claim Apostolic roots because of their belief in the Bible, yet there are many different sects in Protestantism who claim that they are Apostolic and are the "True Church". There are hundreds if not thousands of Protestants who claim that they are the True Church and have the True Faith (teaching). Many times it is the individuals who claim that they have the True Faith and the True Church. They will usually say that the Church is invisible - but this is impossible because St Paul said that the Church is the "Ground and pillar of the Truth" (1 Tim 3:15), this means that the Church is an actual organization of temples.

You must mean that there are no more than 5 HISTORICAL Churches which can claim Apostolic roots. This being so, we look at the timeline of the Ancient Church and we find that only the Eastern Orthodox Church is the True Church because of its adherence to the 7 Ecumenical Councils... This makes it the One True Historical Church because the 1st Ecumenical Council was created by the original Apostolic Church, and all of the following Ecumenical Councils were created by this same Church.

first of all...there are about 2.2 billion christians in the world...only 300 million eastern of them are eastern orthodoxist...the other 1.9 billion who disagree with eastern orthodoxism make up about 86% of christianity...they include about 1.1 billion roman catholics and about 800 million protestants...all of whom reject the eastern orthodox church's claim to be 'the one true church'

so yes i am right to say that most christians disagree with the eastern orthodox church's claim to be the 'one true church'...in fact an overwhelming majority disagrees...

and actually the roman catholic church and many protestant churches accept the seven ecumenical councils...

since there are so many churches claiming to be 'the one true church'...it should be obvious that none of them are right...the one true church jesus christ founded is not an outward organization...

the true church is the one that acts as a pillar...pillars hold things up...all christians who acknowledge and uphold God's word in the bible as the source of truth and authority...

 

[Red33]

Ps 56:4,10

4 In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

10 In God will I praise [his] word: in the LORD will I praise [his] word.

Interesting verses relating to God's word. How many of us praise His word and glory in it. Study the word 'praise' and see what you come up with. You might just be surprised and edified at the same time.

Mt 24:35

Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall never pass away.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

"Worshipping the Bible is Idolatry, "Bibliolatry"," Seeing God's Breath

http:// godsbreath.wordpress.com/2007/06/29/worshipping-the-bible-is-idolatry-bibliolatry/

God save us from every form of spiritual slavery/idolatry/blasphemy/heresy/sin. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Worshipping Orthodox traditions is idolatry.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

i find it ironic that someone who directs prayers to dead saints and 'venerates' and bows to icons would accuse anyone else of idolatry...

I find it ironic that you falsely accuse me of saying someone else is guilty of idolatry. I said worshipping the Bible is idolatry. I did not say anyone in the forum worships the Bible! You need to start telling the truth, Rachel! God bless you!

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

Worshipping Orthodox traditions is idolatry.

Worshipping according to your own man made tradition is idolatry. That is the truth.
You have invented your own error(s). God bless you.
You falsely reject the Trinity, and that rejection is your basic error. That is the truth.

 

[StMichaelTheArchangel]

first of all...there are about 2.2 billion christians in the world...only 300 million eastern of them are eastern orthodoxist...the other 1.9 billion who disagree with eastern orthodoxism make up about 86% of christianity...they include about 1.1 billion roman catholics and about 800 million protestants...all of whom reject the eastern orthodox church's claim to be 'the one true church'

so yes i am right to say that most christians disagree with the eastern orthodox church's claim to be the 'one true church'...in fact an overwhelming majority disagrees...

and actually the roman catholic church and many protestant churches accept the seven ecumenical councils...



since there are so many churches claiming to be 'the one true church'...it should be obvious that none of them are right...the one true church jesus christ founded is not an outward organization...

the true church is the one that acts as a pillar...pillars hold things up...all christians who acknowledge and uphold God's word in the bible as the source of truth and authority...

That's not a Scriptural teaching. Nowhere in the Bible does it teach that the Bible is the only source of authority, in fact it says that the "Church of the Living God is the Ground and Pillar of the Truth" (1 Timothy 3:15)
So where is the Church, the Pillar of the Truth? It is in Apostolic Eastern Orthodoxy. It is the most biblical form of Christianity and the most non-heretical. All of the other Churches have heresies in them except the Eastern Orthodox Church.

The heresy of Protestantism is that they believe that the Bible can be interpreted by themselves without elders which have the right to interpret it.

The heresy of the Catholics is that they believe that the Pope is infallible and the head of the Church.

Only in Eastern Orthodoxy is the One United Church which Jesus Christ handed down to the Apostles. It is the only non heretical Church. Its doctrine is pure, its worship is sacred, its teachings (books) are marvelous and lead us to the knowledge of God and spiritual heights. The Orthodox Church is the true Body of Christ and the only place where the Mysteries of God are made manifest and able to be partaken of.
It is so sacred and amazing, nowhere else have I ever felt so close to God except serving behind the altar during the Divine Liturgy in an Eastern Orthodox Church.

The Church is so great that I feel unworthy to be baptized in it, I am not a good enough Christian.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

first of all...there are about 2.2 billion christians in the world...only

300 million eastern of them are eastern orthodoxist...the other 1.9 billion who disagree with eastern

orthodoxism make up about 86% of christianity...they include about 1.1 billion roman catholics and about

800 million protestants...all of whom reject the eastern orthodox church's claim to be 'the one true

church'

so yes i am right to say that most christians disagree with the eastern orthodox church's claim to be the

'one true church'...in fact an overwhelming majority disagrees...

and actually the roman catholic church and many protestant churches accept the seven ecumenical

councils...

since there are so many churches claiming to be 'the one true church'...it should be obvious that none of

them are right...the one true church jesus christ founded is not an outward organization...

the true church is the one that acts as a pillar...pillars hold things up...all christians who acknowledge and

uphold God's word in the bible as the source of truth and authority...

Dear Rachel:




Most Christians are either Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, so the


majority of Christians ARE NOT PROTESTANTS. And only a majority of Protestants are LUTHERANS, the

original Protestants in the original sense, unless you include John Wycliffe and Jan Hus!


IN FACT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS DISAGREE WITH THE PROTESTANT

RELIGIONS, AND THERE ARE MANY SELF-CONTRADICTORY PROTESTANT FAITHS, 38,000 AND MORE

OF THEM, AND GROWING EVERY DAY! GO FIGURE! ERROR IS WIDESPREAD! APOSTASY IS

HAPPENING, JUST AS CHRIST AND SAINT PAUL SAID WOULD HAPPEN.

God save us. AMEN. In Erie Scott Harrington