Baptism

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Slimsumo

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Get immersed in water. There is no debate that this was the first method of baptizing in the early church and this method is also accepted by ALL, including infant baptizing churches as a valid form of baptism.

The word baptism and its meaning:

Baptizo

  1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
  2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
  3. to overwhelm
 

studentoftheword

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The best way to baptized. Any teaching on this please
Be Baptised in the Holy Spirit ----first---------- then -----be dunked in a pool to profess your Faith in Christ ---

https://biblestudying.net/baptism3.html

Baptizo: Two Baptisms, One Greek Word

It is very important to take note that the Greek word translated as "baptize" (as well as the related words) are NOT exclusively used only for water baptism. The exact same Greek word is used for both forms of baptism, both water and the Holy Spirit.

In fact, this usage of the same Greek word to refer to both forms of baptism comes right at the very beginning of New Testament revelation and teaching about baptism.

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize [907] you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize [907] you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized [907] you with water: but he shall baptize [907] you with the Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize [907] you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize [907] you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

John 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize [907] with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose...31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing [907] with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize [907] with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth [907] with the Holy Ghost.

In fact, not only did John the Baptist use the same Greek word for both forms of baptism from the onset of his ministry, but Jesus Christ and Peter likewise copied John's equal application of that Greek word to both forms of baptism. (Acts 1 below records the words of Jesus Christ. Acts 11 records the words of Peter.)

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized [907] with water; but ye shall be baptized [907] with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized [907] with water; but ye shall be baptized [907] with the Holy Ghost.

Lastly, we can also establish that Paul used the same Greek word for both forms of baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by [1722] one Spirit are we all baptized [907] into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

What is so interesting about this statement by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 is that the Greek word translated "by" is "en" (Strong's No. 1722.) This Greek word "en" is the same word used in all four of the Gospels in the passages we've already discussed.

Matthew 3:11 he shall baptize [907] you with [1722] the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Mark 1:8 he shall baptize [907] you with [1722] the Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:16 he shall baptize [907] you with [1722] the Holy Ghost and with fire:

John 1:26 he which baptizeth [907] with [1722] the Holy Ghost.

Then, in 1 Corinthians 12, Paul says, "For by [1722] one Spirit are we all baptized [907] into one body." Because the word "en" is the same word in these four Gospel passages as it is in 1 Corinthians 12, we can see that Paul is saying that we are baptized "en" [1722] the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ. Paul is clearly referring back to and repeating the original teaching of John the Baptist regarding baptism, teaching that was also upheld by both Jesus and Peter. (We will examine 1 Corinthians 12 in more detail later on in our study.)

What all this tells us is that as a matter of New Testament usage, the same Greek word was used with regard to both forms of baptism by John the Baptist, Jesus, Peter, and Paul. And because the same Greek word is used for both forms of baptism, when we read the word "baptize" in the New Testament we cannot simply assume that it refers to water baptism. Likewise, we cannot simply assume it refers to baptism in the Holy Spirit. Instead, we have to look to the immediate context and, if necessary, to the scriptural precedent to determine which form of baptism is being indicated.
 

Aaron56

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John was the son the the High priest (a Levite) who had taken the vow of the Nazarite. He was, in effect, a super-priest (if you will).
Jesus was the Lamb of God. Under the law, all sacrifices needed to be washed by the priests before they are offered to God.
When Jesus told John to baptize Him “to fulfill all righteousness” He was talking about the ceremonial law of washing the sacrifice: the priest (John) must wash the Lamb (Jesus).

This was the actual moment He gave His life up for us. His Father (Our Father) confirmed this from heaven and declared “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” In the tradition of the time, the Father said, to paraphrase, “In all manner of my business this son represents me. When you see him you are doing business directly with me as he is now executor of my estate”.

Likewise, we are called to be living sacrifices within the estate of God our Father.

To our error we have made the word "baptism" into a religious word. "Baptism" simply means to immerse. So, whenever we read "baptism" in the scriptures we should not assume it means "in water". No. It simply means "to immerse".

So, if I were going to immerse you (baptize you) into the name of someone, for example, I would not necessarily have to add water. A person's name carries with them the authority to function within a prescribed parameter. Not so long ago it was common for police to say "Stop! In the name of the law!". In this, the policeman was declaring his right of authority 1st, to make you stop and 2nd, to do so in the name of the law. The law gave him the authority to declare such a thing. He did not throw down a sticky rug with the word "law" on it in order to make the fleeing person stop.

There are 4 baptisms in the New Testament: fire, water, in the Spirit, and by the Spirit. The "one baptism" that saves us from this world is the one by which we are placed into the body of Christ: the baptism by the Holy Spirit. If we are not placed into Christ (the Holy Spirit is the One who has the power and authority to accomplish this) then we are not of Him and do not have a destiny apart from the destiny of Adam: to die in our sins.

Now, don't think that I am saying baptisms of any form are unimportant. No. They are all important and should be standard practice within the lives of all believers.
 

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The best way to baptized. Any teaching on this please
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So, you are saying this and you do not know the Biblical teachings on baptism? How did you become a Pastor, or the others?
 

GRACE_ambassador

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The best way to baptized. Any teaching on this please
Precious friend, there is only ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism today, Under Grace.
Thus God Has No water {which was for Israel, Under The Law}, for today,
which only Causes Massive Confusion and Division In The Body Of Christ.

And, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In
The Lord Jesus Christ, and In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
!

Amen.
 

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Get immersed in water. There is no debate that this was the first method of baptizing in the early church
And yet, there is. Throughout history, the primary form of baptism has been sprinkling or pouring, and included infants and children.
and this method is also accepted by ALL, including infant baptizing churches as a valid form of baptism.
Actually, that's not true either.
  • “And after she was baptized, and her household as well...” (Acts 16:15 ESV)
  • “...and he was baptized at once, he and all his family.” (Acts 16:33 ESV)
  • “ I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. (1 Corinthians 1:16 ESV)
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Old Testament Baptism example of "Sprinkling Clean Water."

Ezekiel 36:25 And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean; from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
 

Nehemiah6

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Ezekiel 36:25 And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean; from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
This is not the water of baptism but the water of the Word of God. Ordinary water does not cleanse from sin. When Christ said one must be born again by water and by the Spirit, He was speaking about the Gospel, which is the "seed" of the New Birth.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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This is not the water of baptism but the water of the Word of God. Ordinary water does not cleanse from sin. When Christ said one must be born again by water and by the Spirit, He was speaking about the Gospel, which is the "seed" of the New Birth.
It presents similar concepts.
 

Slimsumo

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And yet, there is. Throughout history, the primary form of baptism has been sprinkling or pouring, and included infants and children.

Actually, that's not true either.
  • “And after she was baptized, and her household as well...” (Acts 16:15 ESV)
  • “...and he was baptized at once, he and all his family.” (Acts 16:33 ESV)
  • “ I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. (1 Corinthians 1:16 ESV)
None of these refute what I said, every church that baptizes by sprinkling still accepts immersion in water as a valid baptism.
Baptizing households also doesn't refute the point lol. Baptizing infants doesn't refute the point . Orthodox christians baptize babies, by....... immersion.

My point was: Every church in christianity accepts immersion as valid, whereas some (like baptists, pentecostals, etc) do not accept sprinkling as valid.
 

NightTwister

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My point was: Every church in christianity accepts immersion as valid, whereas some (like baptists, pentecostals, etc) do not accept sprinkling as valid.
That is true, but you also said, "There is no debate that this was the first method of baptizing in the early church", and I don't agree that's true.
 

NightTwister

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My point was: Every church in christianity accepts immersion as valid, whereas some (like baptists, pentecostals, etc) do not accept sprinkling as valid.
Which is unfortunate and one of the reasons why I wouldn't attend one of those churches (even though I was immersed).