τίς in Titus 1:6

[oldhermit]

Since τίς is an indefinite in Titus 1:6, could εἴ τίς ἐστιν suggest that women can also serve as elders in the Church? I would be pleased to hear argument from both sides of the question.

 

[oyster67]

Titus 1:6
“If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.”

Since τίς is an indefinite in Titus 1:6, could εἴ τίς ἐστιν suggest that women can also serve as elders in the Church? I would be pleased to hear argument from both sides of the question.

She would have to be a lesbian then.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Since τίς is an indefinite in Titus 1:6, could εἴ τίς ἐστιν suggest that women can also serve as elders in the Church? I would be pleased to hear argument from both sides of the question.

Why do you ask? Are you suggesting that if a woman has a woman wife, and they live together as husband and wife, a woman can be an elder in Christ's church?

 

[oldhermit]

All I am asking for is an opinion on the Greek grammar. Grammatically, could Paul's use of τίς be used to support women as elders. Does anyone know an example where such a published opinion could be found?

 

[Ted01]

Since τίς is an indefinite in Titus 1:6, could εἴ τίς ἐστιν suggest that women can also serve as elders in the Church? I would be pleased to hear argument from both sides of the question.

While τίς may be indefinite, ἀνήρ isn't... is it? So, it seems to me that τίς isn't really as indefinite as it first appears.

 

[oyster67]

could Paul's use of τίς be used to support women as elders.

Not in that verse.

 

[ResidentAlien]

All I am asking for is an opinion on the Greek grammar. Grammatically, could Paul's use of τίς be used to support women as elders. Does anyone know an example where such a published opinion could be found?

Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, Startpage, etc.

 

[oldhermit]

Not in that verse.

Would you care to elaborate why?

 

[oldhermit]

While τίς may be indefinite, ἀνήρ isn't... is it? So, it seems to me that τίς isn't really as indefinite as it first appears.

τίς is always an indefinite. Gender is always supplied by context.

 

[Ted01]

τίς is always an indefinite. Gender is always supplied by context.

Yes, indeed!!
And since the gender is thus clarified... why question it further?

 

[oyster67]

Would you care to elaborate why?

Because lesbianism is a big no-no.

 

[oyster67]

Gender is always supplied by context.

...and context shows us that elders need a wife.

 

[oldhermit]

I can see I am wasting my time on this. Apparently, no one seems to understand the question. Hopefully, someone like Angela, who has a background in Greek will understand what I am asking and respond.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

The rest of the context certainly does not allow for it.
It would be my guess that the use of τίς implies eternal universal application of the standard. Must without exception be ....(as the verse states) so it would also exclude single guys, regardless of how up standing, it could also exclude men who dont have children and certainly excludes men who have unruly and riotous trouble making children.

That would be my summation of the text there.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I can see I am wasting my time on this. Apparently, no one seems to understand the question. Hopefully, someone like Angela, who has a background in Greek will understand what I am asking and respond.

I understand the question but since you're being so evasive I question your motives. You're on your own as far as I'm concerned bro.

 

[oldhermit]

just to clarify, I understand fully that the context demands the masculine gender. That is NOT what I am asking. What I want to know is if one wished to argue from a point of grammar that since τίς is indefinite, this could also imply women, what possible argument could they make? Forget for a moment that the remainder of the text even exists and focus just on the phrase εἴ τίς ἐστιν ἀνέγκλητος.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Re: εἴ τίς ἐστιν ἀνέγκλητος.

I have no clue what that says in Greek because my interlinear doesn't show
Titus 1:6 like that; but I have to say that sans an intelligent context: the
phrase "If any be blameless" could be variously applied to kindergartners,
parakeets, puppy dogs, and/or Jedi knights.
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[oyster67]

Forget for a moment that the remainder of the text even exists

May the Force be with you.

 

[oyster67]

Just pic another tic. I'm sure Titus is full of 'em.

(I knew I should have put a flea collar on that old boy.)

 

[Nehemiah6]

Since τίς is an indefinite in Titus 1:6, could εἴ τίς ἐστιν suggest that women can also serve as elders in the Church? I would be pleased to hear argument from both sides of the question.

If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. How can this be construed as anything other than one of the qualifications of a MALE elder? There is really no need for any "argument" since this is cut and dried.