1 John 3:8-10 No one who is born of God will continue to sin ...

[And]

Ok
how do you TEST to see if you ARE sinning?

Sin is the transgression of the law.

Those who are born of God do not transgress the law
they drive the speed limit.
They are humble
they are kind
they are of one
pleasant mind
they are sympathetic cheer
others onward , never fear
and they praise the Lord all day

 

[kennethcadwell]

Wrong, this is referring to those who are already saved, not those that have been saved yet. John like Paul and James are telling born again saved brothers and sisters in Christ how to walk, but sin will still be a part of your life. Paul even admits that he does things he should not do, and sin is a part of his life. He did have the Holy Spirit and still said these things.

1 John 1:8-10

Good News Translation (GNT)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But if we confess our sins to God, he will keep his promise and do what is right: he will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make a liar out of God, and his word is not in us.



sorry but once again you bring up the befor not the after this is befor you become born again..

 

[Zinzerio]

praising the lord all day wont get you to heaven, being humble wont either being kind all day wont either being a pleasant mind all day wont either,, you can not work your way into heaven. being a none sinner will get you to heaven. jesus promises the holy spirit
John 14:15-17

Good News Translation (GNT)

The Promise of the Holy Spirit

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“If you love me, you will obey my commandments. [SUP]16 [/SUP]I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, who will stay with you forever. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He is the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God. The world cannot receive him, because it cannot see him or know him. But you know him, because he remains with you and is[SUP][a][/SUP] in you.


Please note verse verse 16 the spirit will be with you forever god bless

 

[kennethcadwell]

Once again this is those who the bible considers as a willful sinner. The transgressor is one who sins without remorse, conviction, and does not repent for their sin because they feel they are doing nothing wrong.

As Galatians points out the law was our tutor to show us what sin is, but now we are no longer under that tutor because we should know now.

Now there is much more that goes into how one should walk which is what Paul, James, and John for most part try to point out but a lot of people confuse the writings. Every single one of them says that even if you are saved sin will still be a part of your life.

Ok
how do you TEST to see if you ARE sinning?

Sin is the transgression of the law.

Those who are born of God do not transgress the law
they drive the speed limit.
They are humble
they are kind
they are of one
pleasant mind
they are sympathetic cheer
others onward , never fear
and they praise the Lord all day

 

[kennethcadwell]

I have to go for now, but if you do not want to take my word for it then just do this:

Type in, " Does one still sin after being saved " in your search browser bar and hit enter

You will see a lot of web pages to go to from well studied biblical scholars that have posted pages to help individuals study that show that sin is still part of a saved born again believer in Christ.

 

[And]

sin will not be part of your life.
that is the false gospel
the false gospel says that Jesus grace is not sufficient to keep you from sinning

the true gospel says go and sin no more
Jesus does not sin
and sin is overcome one rung of the ladder of sanctification to another.

there is no reason to steal
lie
cheat
adulterate
fornicate
ever again

those who love god will not
if you fall you repent and stop that sin too.

 

[And]

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

that is the goal of every christian

before Jesus comes back the true christians will be in this state
the ones who are not will perish.

 

[And]

Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.


not self righteous

 

[And]

I have to go for now, but if you do not want to take my word for it then just do this:

Type in, " Does one still sin after being saved " in your search browser bar and hit enter

You will see a lot of web pages to go to from well studied biblical scholars that have posted pages to help individuals study that show that sin is still part of a saved born again believer in Christ.

Well studied Bible scholars are the ones that killed Jesus
they are hypocrites


2 Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Tim 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2 Tim 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
there are millions of wolves out there making money and making the easy way

Jesus says
come to me
stop sinning
repepnt and pray

those scholars say not to worry about the bible
they will recieve their reward and I wouldnt want to be them.

 

[And]

Jesus says
GO AND SIN NO MORE
and his grace is sufficient

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


those who say we cannot stop sinning
do not have a relationship with Jesus

with god all things are possible.
and expected.

 

[And]

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that cannot cease from sinning.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Wrong again, I must go but this one is just a ridiculous response.

1) The Pharisees had Jesus crucified, and they had the torah not the bible.

2) Which makes my second point, the bible did not exist when Jesus was crucified, so nobody could have studied it.

How can one studied the books of the new testament when they were not written tell long after the crucifixion ?

Well studied Bible scholars are the ones that killed Jesus
they are hypocrites


2 Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Tim 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2 Tim 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

 

[Vaudeville]

Jesus says
GO AND SIN NO MORE
and his grace is sufficient

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


those who say we cannot stop sinning
do not have a relationship with Jesus

with god all things are possible.
and expected.

litmus test (to see if you are self-deluded).

are you saying you have no sin?

 

[Zinzerio]

[video=youtube;BuMkKKuFB2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuMkKKuFB2w[/video]

 

[Zinzerio]

[video=youtube;fDm4NGErvcU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDm4NGErvcU[/video]

 

[Zinzerio]

[h=3]Hebrews 10:14-18[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][a][/SUP]

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[SUP][b][/SUP]

Jeremiah

[SUP]
27 [/SUP]“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will plant the kingdoms of Israel and Judah with the offspring of people and of animals. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the Lord. [SUP]29 [/SUP]“In those days people will no longer say,

‘The parents have eaten sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge.

[SUP]31 [/SUP]“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,

33 This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Jeremiah
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Instead, everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge.

Hebrews at the top says i will remember there sins no more because the believer will die in there own sin if he carries on to sin after receiving the blood. this is the new covenant because the carnal mind of the old has made the lord weary
Matthew 26:26-30

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. [SUP]28 [/SUP]This is my blood of the[SUP][a][/SUP] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. [SUP]29 [/SUP]I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Many will receive many will not

Now Granted the new believer may fall short for knowledge of truth.. but the mature believer like the people here who are 40 50 65,, who say they have read his word and been saved for many years must know its not ok to slander to mock to show racism of any sort towards Jew or gentile people who sin etc..

like this next verse Numbers 15:30

30But the person who does anything defiantly, whether he is native or an alien, that one is blaspheming the LORD; and that person shall be cut off from among his people.

[h=3]ok this next verse is for the believer who has received the blood immature or mature

2 Chronicles 7:14[/h]New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

notice it says my people,, this means those who seek my name before sinning i will tell them what to do...

like here also

1 John 2:27

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]The anointing you received from Christ lives in you. You don’t need anyone to teach you something else. Instead, Christ’s anointing teaches you about everything. His anointing is true and contains no lie. So live in Christ as he taught you to do.

Now again granted the new believer may fall short of this but the mature christian should surly know its not ok to slander to mock to show racism of any sort,, nor Jew nor gentile.. now granted if a mature believer is constantly provoked undermined belittled and mixing with bad company day in and day out he may fall short to,, but i would not say that is defiantly,, would you.. but as you get more mature 40 50 65 you should know how to deal with this if you say you are saved..which means not to mock not to slander not to be racists not to provoke,, or put a stumbling in front of a new believer or mature one
Leviticus 19:14
Love Your Neighbor
…13You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired man are not to remain with you all night until morning. 14'You shall not curse a deaf man, nor place a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall revere your God; I am the LORD. 15'You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to judge your neighbor fairly.

 

[evangelist1]

1 John 3:8-10
Children of God
…8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.


Lets look at this please and lets not turn this into number 1 i am claiming to with out sin number 2 i am mocking people can not stop sinning,, or number 3 im claiming to be holier than thou, number 4 it is impossible for a person to stop sinning. please,,

Let us all chat with respect towards one another on this subject and let us learn wth-out any mocking or cursing in this one thread please, basically for this one thread lets us put all future threads behind us and start a fresh please.

First things first the human-bean is split into 3 parts Mind body and sole,

now how does one become born again, ? we ask the holy with a sincere heart to wash away all are past inequities (repent) at this point i would like to show the blood of Jesus that does this,,

Matthew 26:26-30

New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. [SUP]28 [/SUP]This is my blood of the[SUP][a][/SUP] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. [SUP]29 [/SUP]I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Ok so now the repenter and born again spirit has the Blood of Jesus being pored into you spiritually ? this means you ask Jesus with a sincere heart for forgiveness and you tell him you don't want to sin anymore,, most people who repent also do not want to do it again this is becoming born again.
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Now this,, Jesus says he will send you a helper which is the spirit,, which also has the blood of Jesus, (spiritually) who appeared to destroy the works of the devil as in the first chapter of this page 1 John 3:8-10 ,, as he did destroy the devil .. Jesus in the flesh beat sin.

So now we have a born again spirit Jesus after his resurrection who can not sin, who is sending his comforter to be with you,,,ie his born again spirit who has defeated the devil, to wash away all your sins, in the hope that you don't sin anymore.

so you now have the born again spirit that Jesus had after his resurrection , your clean, from this moment your mind is still the same and so is you body but your born again spirit is cleansed. Jesus-es born again spirit now resides in you,,

now the mind at this point can still see sin and try to tell the body to actual do that sin,, such as thieving something nice like a nice pair of shoes you see or a 100 dollar bill in the street on the floor

at this point the born a gain spirit JESUS tells the mind NO don't do it. so you pick the money up and take it to the police station,, or you say no to the shoes too you say ill save up and buy them when i have the money. it is better to dream than to sin.


Now it is the same thing for hating,, lets say someone needs helps like a homeless person,, at this point your old mind remembers the homeless bum who was rude to you or said i do this for living,, or what ever,, so at this point when the homeless person asks for help the born again spirit Jesus says if you have something to give,, give something) if not be nice and walk away. now you say im sorry i have nothing i can give you but i will pray for you,,

so the homeless person is rude after you say this ?? so now the born again spirit Jesus says don't mind him turn the other cheek,, just say sorry you feal that way and walk away.

this is the the holy spirit with Jesus-es born again spirit helping you to keep the commandments and keeping the weeds out of the heart.

Now should the mind make the body steal the shoes then the sole has sinned,, you have now just crucified Jesus again.

Now can you still have the spirit after this or did you have the spirit to begin with.

Well as we see from the top the born again spirit does not continue to sin.[/QUOTE

Can the Holy Spirit sin?
Does the Holy Spirit sins?
Is it possible for the Holy spirit to not keep His promise, and lie?
Is the Holy Spirit Perfect?

After reading this then look at these scriptures closely and combine them to us, and then compare these scripture to my above questions ok?

Hebrews 10:14
Ephesians 4:24
King james version 1 John 3:9
1 Corithians 6:17
Hebrews 12:23
Ephesians 1 :13 is the ice on a frosted cake****

Shalom