What of the dinosaurs?

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Blain

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Here is something I have never been able to figure out. Dinosaur fossils have been found for a very long time and according to todays science they are thousands possibly millions of years old. But I don't get it, the bible doesn't speak of T rex's attacking ppl. When exactly did they roam the earth? because God created the earth in seven days on the sixth day created man okay so did the dinosaurs go around eating mankind from the very creation of the world then one day were wiped out?

If I was in a debate with an athiest trying to get him to accept God and he brought this up I would be clueless
 
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It's an interesting debate but don't get caught up in it. I think our priorities should be winning souls to Christ and not so much trying to prove who's right and wrong about the age of the earth. :)
 
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Tintin

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It's an interesting debate but don't get caught up in it. I think our priorities should be winning souls to Christ and not so much trying to prove who's right and wrong about the age of the earth. :)
Unfortunately the age of the earth etc. can be a huge stumbling block for many on the way to accepting the Bible as truth and God as the one true God.

Blain, brother.
Here are the names of some excellent Christian organisations concerning such a topic: They have websites.

Creation Ministries International
Answers In Genesis
Institute for Creation Research
 
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Or a BC era Jew tried to explain the creation of the world he saw through a vision...
 

Blain

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It's an interesting debate but don't get caught up in it. I think our priorities should be winning souls to Christ and not so much trying to prove who's right and wrong about the age of the earth. :)
But understanding these things might be very important for winning souls, Honestly the whole dinosaur thing before I was saved was a huge stumbling block for me not to mention the whole how old the earth thing also made me question the bible itself
 

Blain

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Unfortunately the age of the earth etc. can be a huge stumbling block for many on the way to accepting the Bible as truth and God as the one true God.

Blain, brother.
Here are the names of some excellent Christian organisations concerning such a topic: They have websites.

Creation Ministries International
Answers In Genesis
Institute for Creation Research
Ty you buddy I will check those out:)
 
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dalconn

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First, you will never get an athiest to repent of his sins by proving or disproving dinasaurs. Secondly, we know very little to nothing about dinasaurs in the first place.
 
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But understanding these things might be very important for winning souls, Honestly the whole dinosaur thing before I was saved was a huge stumbling block for me not to mention the whole how old the earth thing also made me question the bible itself
I kind of agree with Jesuschica here, I'm not here to spend my time convincing the unconvinced, I'm here to spread the word of God, if one would humble themselves, and lend a ear they could hear. If they're closed minded to it, after hearing a debate on the subject, or hearing the Word of God, and nothing is still sticking, I'm not going to spend my time arguing about God. I would tell that one, if their interested in humbling themselves to admit they don't know it all, dedicate themselves to prayer, start with the faith of a mustard seed, just believe what they're reading, and do this till God answers, He answers a sincere prayer, not just because someone wants to know Gods real, not how it works.
 

Blain

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First, you will never get an athiest to repent of his sins by proving or disproving dinasaurs. Secondly, we know very little to nothing about dinasaurs in the first place.
That's not the point, an atheist doesn't have to do a lot to disprove the bible and could easily use the dinosaurs or the true age of the earth thing and if we don't have a full correct answer then how can he take us seriously and even begin to consider believing in God and the rest of the bible?
 

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there are bible verses that talk about Dinosaur like creatures in the times of Job job 40:17 "He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together." what animal today has a tail like a cedar? there aren't any... also there are many animals that have carnivore looking teeth but eat fruit and vegetables, so for people to say T-Rex went around eating people is just speculation they can't know for sure. What if they ate a type of fruit that had a very hard shell that is also extinct today. Also there was a Professor at northridge University that took a T-Rex bone cut it open and found soft tissue on it, this places this T-rex at less than 10,000 years old... well before he could even come out and write a article on it he was fired. (he is now suing the school)
 
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Here is something I have never been able to figure out. Dinosaur fossils have been found for a very long time and according to todays science they are thousands possibly millions of years old. But I don't get it, the bible doesn't speak of T rex's attacking people When exactly did they roam the earth? because God created the earth in seven days on the sixth day created man okay so did the dinosaurs go around eating mankind from the very creation of the world then one day were wiped out?

I recommend reading up and learning for your own benefit, not trying to sell atheists on the idea. They enjoy fussing about it too much.

If I was in a debate with an athiest trying to get him to accept God and he brought this up I would be clueless
Chat sites full of atheists will host man "Christian Baiters" that seek to disarm by whatever, themselves being highly deceived. Whatever a high school or college professor said was truth remains truth to them.

When the subject of recent T. Rex and other bones being sliced and studied reveal signs of bone marrow hemoglobin remains, they just rise up in derision or deftly switch topics.. You can get quite a lot of facts about the bone "enigma" from Institute of Creation Research. Before I retired I met numerous former evolutionist-minded researchers that at least dropped out of that line of thinking, seeing too much evidence of a much younger earth life history than supposed. Oil explorers top the list of people abandoning evolution just from the age problem. Oil and gas can't get too old to be useful, and can't exist without a fairly recent mass deposit of organic material. So, the organic materials of earth diffuse old ages back to dinosaurs.

Ages of rock strata are mostly determined by fossils rather than paying for lab tests. The age of the fossils are mostly determined by supposed ages of the rock layers. That cycle isn't a matter of true science. Suppositions like that are supported by academia, the folks whose livelihood depends of grants, mostly college instructors, researchers, and authors. When you get around real professionals thereis healthy skepticism of what most of us learned growing up. Intact remains of dinosaur remains are being found in arid parts of the world, at or very near the surface with no substantial erosion occurring. There's just too much evidence of dinosaurs living in terms of a few thousand years back rather than millions.

It's also evident the terrific brutal species were not wrecking havoc around the larger centers of human populations. Many are found in the USA, which had nothing to do with biblical history or geography except maybe before the Genesis flood. All the continents were likely one land mass that geologists named Pangaea. The land divided after the flood due to shifts in geological forces initiated by the flood, which began a major ice age. The probably layout would have hosted a very stable climate capable of allowing long lives for humans an animals. The continents are still moving consistent with that split-up. As a result many species of animals, and tribes of humans, were separated geographically. A few adventurous souls might have explored those departing continents to witness man-eating T. Rex's and lived to record them.
 

Dan58

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The bible doesn't say how old the earth is. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," It doesn't say when the beginning was, and note that verse one ends with a comma, not a period.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was void without form, and void" "Was" is the wrong English word here. The Massorah renders it "hayah" (Strong's Concordance ref #1961). Hayah means; "to become or came to pass". So verse 2 should read that "The earth became void and without form". So millions or billions of years could have passed between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis.

Some believe (myself included) that there are 3 earth ages. The first age is past, we are in the second age, and the third is yet to come. God completely annihilated and destroyed the first earth age, dinosaurs and all after Satan's rebellion (2 Peter 3:5-7 and Jeremiah 4:19-28). Note that in Genesis 1:28, God says "Replenish the earth", suggesting that it was inhabited before.

So imo, God did not create the world void and empty, it became that way. Then God formed it to be inhabited by mankind (Isaiah 45:18). Many Christians don't accept this interpretation, but it makes sense to me... jmo
 
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If I was in a debate with an athiest trying to get him to accept God and he brought this up I would be clueless
I'm assuming no amount of evidence will convince you dinosaurs lived millions of years before humans?

Kent Hovind is a total imbecile. I'd love to go through his video and pick apart the hundreds of errors and lies, but I do not feel like vomiting tonight. There are numerous critiques of Ken Hovind on the internet, all backed by actual science.

If you really need me to, I can provide some wonderful sources.

Prehistoric Cave Paintings
and here are some old cave drawings, they say 40k years ago, I think around 10k.
Notice how none of the cave paintings contain dinosaurs.

That's not the point, an atheist doesn't have to do a lot to disprove the bible and could easily use the dinosaurs or the true age of the earth thing and if we don't have a full correct answer then how can he take us seriously and even begin to consider believing in God and the rest of the bible?
This is a very good point. But if you only pick the arguments that side with the Bible, you're going to end up spewing lies that have been debunked time and time again. Talk Origins is all about debunking creationist arguments. If you're going to read websites such as Answers In Genesis, then you should at least look through TalkOrigins to understand the counterarguments. And I know, you have already decided anything that contradicts the Bible can't be right no matter how much evidence supports it, but at least you'll be prepared for how evolutionists will respond.

TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy

When the subject of recent T. Rex and other bones being sliced and studied reveal signs of bone marrow hemoglobin remains, they just rise up in derision or deftly switch topics.. You can get quite a lot of facts about the bone "enigma" from Institute of Creation Research.
Hemoglobin was never found. What was found was hemoglobin by products.

Potholer54 does a wonderful job debunking this myth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgpSrUWQplE

Before I retired I met numerous former evolutionist-minded researchers that at least dropped out of that line of thinking, seeing too much evidence of a much younger earth life history than supposed. Oil explorers top the list of people abandoning evolution just from the age problem. Oil and gas can't get too old to be useful, and can't exist without a fairly recent mass deposit of organic material. So, the organic materials of earth diffuse old ages back to dinosaurs.
Rarely have those who profess to be ex-evolutionists ever actually understood the theory of evolution in the first place. Because every time I hear an ex-evolutionist talk about how flawed evolution is, all I hear is nonsense that clearly proves they are either lying or have never understood the science to begin with.

Ages of rock strata are mostly determined by fossils rather than paying for lab tests. The age of the fossils are mostly determined by supposed ages of the rock layers. That cycle isn't a matter of true science. Suppositions like that are supported by academia, the folks whose livelihood depends of grants, mostly college instructors, researchers, and authors. When you get around real professionals thereis healthy skepticism of what most of us learned growing up. Intact remains of dinosaur remains are being found in arid parts of the world, at or very near the surface with no substantial erosion occurring. There's just too much evidence of dinosaurs living in terms of a few thousand years back rather than millions.
This is a load of nonsense. There are numerous ways in which we age both the earth and fossils.

Scientists aren't supporting evolution just because it's the only way they can get grants. This claim is completely unfounded. Good scientists get grants. The reason most of these scientists support evolution is because creationism literally isn't science, nor does science support creationism.

It's also evident the terrific brutal species were not wrecking havoc around the larger centers of human populations. Many are found in the USA, which had nothing to do with biblical history or geography except maybe before the Genesis flood. All the continents were likely one land mass that geologists named Pangaea. The land divided after the flood due to shifts in geological forces initiated by the flood, which began a major ice age. The probably layout would have hosted a very stable climate capable of allowing long lives for humans an animals. The continents are still moving consistent with that split-up. As a result many species of animals, and tribes of humans, were separated geographically. A few adventurous souls might have explored those departing continents to witness man-eating T. Rex's and lived to record them.
None of this is supported by science what-so-ever. This is something someone dreamed up while sitting in a chair pondering what might have happened. They obviously did no field studies, learned about how local floods effect terain, how oceans effect terrain, etc. The only research that does go into these claims are quote mines and lies.

there are bible verses that talk about Dinosaur like creatures in the times of Job job 40:17 "He moveth his tail like a cedar
The tail moved like a cedar isn't a description about how the tail looks, but how it moved. And no, dinosaur tails didn't move like tree trunks. Most likely, the author was describing cedar branches and how they sway in the wind.

what animal today has a tail like a cedar? there aren't any... also there are many animals that have carnivore looking teeth but eat fruit and vegetables, so for people to say T-Rex went around eating people is just speculation they can't know for sure.
Who are these evolutionists claiming T-Rex ate people? It sounds like you're making up stories about imaginary evolutionists. Anyone who understands and accepts evolution knows T-Rex and humans did not co-exist!

What if they ate a type of fruit that had a very hard shell that is also extinct today. Also there was a Professor at northridge University that took a T-Rex bone cut it open and found soft tissue on it, this places this T-rex at less than 10,000 years old... well before he could even come out and write a article on it he was fired. (he is now suing the school)
The soft tissue found was preserved inside a bone in which it was sealed away from the elements entirely. The YouTube video I linked above explains it quite well. I would also love to know the name of this "scientist" you mentioned. Every time creationists talk about scientists who have been "fired" for supporting creationism, it turns out they're fired because they are caught in acts of fraud - such as submitting papers in scientific journals without having them properly peer reviewed.

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is often the source of this misinformation. They named numerous people who have been "fired" for questioning evolution. This website details the actual reasons they were fired, or whether they were actually fired at all. Expelled Exposed: Why Expelled Flunks
 
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Percpi, let's start with something simple, do we know yet know how the sun shines so bright day in and day out? I don't want to hear some gas story, or nothing explainable, no one has touched the sun, no one can experiments on the sun, if we get close we get burned. Everyone can experiment that there's gravity, who made these laws of gravity? Who made these laws of the universe? I don't want to hear some three minute bang story, we can try to compromise with a superior "scientist" story, and let him tell it, but when we can't even get to mars yet.. Then we can move to Dino..
 

Zmouth

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I'm assuming no amount of evidence will convince you dinosaurs lived millions of years before humans?

Scientists aren't supporting evolution just because it's the only way they can get grants. This claim is completely unfounded. Good scientists get grants. The reason most of these scientists support evolution is because creationism literally isn't science, nor does science support creationism.
So what is the falsifiability of the theory of evolution? You know the statement that is derived from the principle upon which the theory is validated to demonstrate that if proven truth then the theory is false.

Such as the reason man can't walk on water is because of the gravity, mass, etc. For example, the falisifiability of the theory that man can't walk on water in the liquid state would be that of man walking on water. So therefore of all the people on earth there is none of that can so we know that the principle that comprises that theory is, was, and will be true and righteous.

Now the evolutionist theory holds that all life on earth originated from a 'Single Ancestor', I would buy that if the Spirit was flesh, or rather mass. However, on the other hand they claim that man did not originate from a single set of procreators, or the 'Adam&Eve' doctrine of creationist. So while they dismiss 'Adam&Eve' doctrine of creationist, they themselves establish a single set of procreators unless they are now claiming mass mutations , so what kind of BS is that?

So if the Bible says man evolved would that be a falsifiable since atheist say everything in the Bible is a lie, which evolutionist can not believe in a God if God does not exist. So if true then why don't they have no falsifiability for their theory?

The fact that variations occur within genetic reproduction don't support evolution if those variations can be quantified. And the fact that genetic variations exceeded those that would be found from a single set of procreators discounts creationist but not us procreationist that hold that the creationist do not have any right to their private interpretation to the scriptures that only one male and female was created.
 
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Zmouth

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Percpi, let's start with something simple, do we know yet know how the sun shines so bright day in and day out? I don't want to hear some gas story, or nothing explainable, no one has touched the sun, no one can experiments on the sun, if we get close we get burned. Everyone can experiment that there's gravity, who made these laws of gravity? Who made these laws of the universe? I don't want to hear some three minute bang story, we can try to compromise with a superior "scientist" story, and let him tell it, but when we can't even get to mars yet.. Then we can move to Dino..
While science is a discipline for the principles that govern and regulate our physical world which are based upon physical evidence and validation whereas religion is discipline for the principles that provide and protect our moral and social values of equity and justice.

The scriptures are relatively clear about some issues, such as Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

So some say that the scriptures say a man walked on water, do you?
 
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To find a bunch of different type of monkeys, and put them next to a human is just not working for me, no one can watch a monkey "evolve" in to a human, not even half of that to a ape. It's a "theory" for a reason. Not to be sarcastic but what are we going to evolve to next? Robots right? Monkeys to bots... Com'on, this stuff is scifi...
 
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Jesus did a lot of miracles... I'm one of them, walked on water, fed multitudes with one loaf, turned water to wine, raised the dead, healed the blind, none of this is explainable... The Bible never lies.. Hold it up for the pinnacle of morality, good and bad, knowing the difference... Did these monkeys know the difference? When did they then? Why don't I see atheist monkeys? With thought, peace, truth, care, compassion, love, understanding of everything the Holy Spirit delivers...