Are christians sinners, saints, or both?

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What shall we call ourselves?


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Tintin

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#21
Christians are both sinners and saints. Sinners - because we're still works-in-progress. Saints - because we've been made righteous by Christ and His precious blood.
 
Oct 24, 2014
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#22
Like this;

(Mat 26:39)
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou

wilt.





(Luk 22:42)
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.


(Joh 5:30)
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


(1Co 10:13)
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.





(Php 1:6)
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:


 
C

Calminian

Guest
#23
Like this;

(Mat 26:39)
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou

wilt.





(Luk 22:42)
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.


(Joh 5:30)
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


(1Co 10:13)
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.





(Php 1:6)
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

I'm not following Bride. What do you intend support with this verses? Do you feel we should not call ourselves sinners because of these verses?
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#24
we are sinners saved by grace.

we are set apart (saint) from the world. the dividing line being the blood of Christ.

thus we are both.
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#25
as long as we continue to fall short of the glory of God (which is perfection, which no one has or can do but christ) we will always be sinners, to say your not is to decieve yourself, and is dangerous.
 
Mar 12, 2014
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#26
Rom 6:2 "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

One cannot be both a sinner and dead to sin at the same time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#27
Rom 6:2 "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

One cannot be both a sinner and dead to sin at the same time.
being dead to sin means it no longer has power over you where you can not stop it. It does not mean you are sinless. No one is sinless 24/7 No matter how mature you are. Paul did not even claim this, as mature in Christ as he was, he still claimed he ran the race, he had not yet finished.
 
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ELECT

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#28
We are sinners redeemed by the blood of the lamb.

I will never call myself a saint... it may be what a Christian is but in today's terminology, a saint is seen someone who does no wrong. Also, saint tends to be seen as an elevated position above a sinner. We are not above sinners, we are sinners redeemed. No better, no worse.

By a biblical definition, yeah, a Christian is a saint but in the bible a saint is seen as someone who's been forgiven and redeemed by Jesus. But most don't look at that word in that way and I think to say it or claim it front of others tends to give them the perception you think you are better than they are. People also tend to use the word saint for someone who is just seen as a good person whether they are a Christian or not.
Does Jesus prayer for sinners or saints ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#29
Does Jesus prayer for sinners or saints ?
sinners and saints

"father forgive them, for they do not know what they do"
 
Mar 12, 2014
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#30
being dead to sin means it no longer has power over you where you can not stop it. It does not mean you are sinless. No one is sinless 24/7 No matter how mature you are. Paul did not even claim this, as mature in Christ as he was, he still claimed he ran the race, he had not yet finished.

The point I was making is how can Paul say I am a sinner (present tense) yet be dead to sin at the same time.

One cannot be a sinner yet saved at the same time Lk 5:32.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#31
The point I was making is how can Paul say I am a sinner (present tense) yet be dead to sin at the same time.

One cannot be a sinner yet saved at the same time Lk 5:32.
so your sinless??
 
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ELECT

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#32
a saint is a sinner who is forgiven
sinner is one is not forgiven
thats how I understand it
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#34
a saint is a sinner who is forgiven
sinner is one is not forgiven
thats how I understand it
as a shirt I like to wear says, Not perfect, just forgiven.
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#35
did John the Baptise sin ?
Well if he stated he was not worthy to baptize jesus, I would say yes. Why else would he claim this?

Scripture states there was only one non sinner, His name was Jesus
 
Oct 24, 2014
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#36
I'm not following Bride. What do you intend support with this verses? Do you feel we should not call ourselves sinners because of these verses?
I'm new and missed copying the quote from someone asking how Jesus was sinless. Also to answer your question, I think you said it. Unless you are a sinner of course, then that is a different story...

Would you like to talk about it?
 
C

Calminian

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#37
Sure. Do you believe you are both a sinner and saint as Paul did?
 
Oct 24, 2014
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#38
What is your religion about if not being sinless?

(Heb 10:22)
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
(Rev 1:5)
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(Mat 5:48)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
(1Jn 3:8)
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(1Jn 3:9)
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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ELECT

Guest
#39
What is your religion about if not being sinless?

(Heb 10:22)
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
(Rev 1:5)
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(Mat 5:48)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
(1Jn 3:8)
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(1Jn 3:9)
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Why is it that forgive us of our debts is in the Lords prayer

part of perfection is God forgiving you as you forgive your debtors be ye perfect read the whole chapter

Do you sin ? Do you ask God for forgiveness daily ?
 
Oct 24, 2014
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#40
Sure. Do you believe you are both a sinner and saint as Paul did?
That's like asking "do you still beat your wife?" hehe

Get your facts straight first is my advice. Recognize that if I say I am the chief of sinners, I can tell you about thefts and adulteries and lies that might make your hair stand on end. I'm sure I've ruined lives from my previous ways. Paul murdered Children of God. Though we are both forgiven, such a past still has a certain weight to it until the day we die, do you know what I mean? Not like guilt or anything, because Paul and I have been forgiven.
But if you think Paul was still murdering people when he said he was the chief of sinners, you are sorely mistaking.
If you think I am still out fornicating and lying and stealing, you are again sorely mistaking.

Paul WAS (past tense) a sinner. He was transformed into a Saint, and we read and believe His Righteousness Came from Christ Jesus and believe his Words exactly as we believe Jesus' Words. Are you following?

Now, if Paul was, as you are more than indicating, still an active sinner at the time he said he WAS chief of sinners, you are flat wrong, and really need a few lessons in proper discernment of the Word of God.

So yes, I answered that I was a Saint. Why? Because I am of the below verse 9. Those who aren't of verse 9, are of verse 8. I hope this solves your quandary. Ask the right questions, you'll get the right answers.
Peace!

(1Jn 3:8)
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(1Jn 3:9)
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.