Song of Solomon's problems

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Christians admitted the canonicity of the Song of Songs from the beginning, but after Jewish exegetes began to read the Song allegorically, as having to do with God's love for his people, Christian exegetes followed suit, treating the love that it celebrates as an analogy for the love between God and the Christian Church.[25] This Christian allegorical interpretation began with Origen in the 2nd century C.E.


I want to know everyone's thoughts on this book, I want to know if you think this is a book about a man and women's desire for one another or is it how God desires His church... Meaning is this literally acts between a man and women or spiritual interpretation of how God feels about the church ?

This might disturb some of you, and I apologize but it's for learning purposes alone. Don't let any of this conversing hinder your walk with Christ. Just keep Christ first and His words, we can never go wrong.
It's overtly sexual, and while some aspects may be allegorical, or in some-part referring to God's platonic interest in humanity's wellbeing, I actually think it's a declaration of the intensities of love. The respect that controls the otherwise insatiable lust towards a woman, the deep bond, the longing, heartache, joy, elation. This book should bring Christian men and women out of the prim etiquette and rigid sexuality that's so common. Prudes could learn a thing or two from this book.
 
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interesting question. I will have to reread it and pray about it.

My initial thoughts are it is a love poem from King Solomon to his bride based upon these verses:

Song of Solomon 3:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Go forth, O daughters of Zion,
And see King Solomon with the crown
With which his mother crowned him
On the day of his wedding,
The day of the gladness of his heart.
According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives are described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Sidon and of the Hittites. These wives are depicted as leading Solomon away from Yahweh toward idolatry.


Which one?
 
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That's the thing, just because something is in a the Holy Book, doesn't mean the person wrote it. Take the book of exodus written by Moses, right ? Well we know he couldn't have wrote about his own death...


…4Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, 'I will give it to your descendants'; I have let you see it with your eyes, but you shall not go over there." 5So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.…

So we know he didn't write this...

God has shown me some things and still showing me... Why I'm posting to show you all.
Moses had much assistance from Aaron, his "interpreter". Maybe Moses stuttered. It's understood and quite proper that Aaron and his sons, and Joshua would have finished and sealed Moses' five books, but they left the credit for Moses.
 
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The bride is called "Shulamite" or princess and said to be the daughter of a prince.

As for your other questions, I'm still in prayer about it. I'll tell you if God reveals any insight.

its 2 am here. i'm off to bed, nit all.
 
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That's the thing, just because something is in a the Holy Book, doesn't mean the person wrote it. Take the book of exodus written by Moses, right ? Well we know he couldn't have wrote about his own death...


…4Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, 'I will give it to your descendants'; I have let you see it with your eyes, but you shall not go over there." 5So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.…

So we know he didn't write this...

God has shown me some things and still showing me... Why I'm posting to show you all.
The Book of Deuteronomy, not Exodus. Also, it's firmly believed that Joshua, as Moses right-hand man wrote about the death of Moses. Finally, you don't seem to understand the difference between love and lust. Sure, King Solomon was the Hugh Hefner of ancient history but this poem is incredibly sensual and yet very godly in its approach to marriage.
 
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The bride is called "Shulamite" or princess and said to be the daughter of a prince.

As for your other questions, I'm still in prayer about it. I'll tell you if God reveals any insight.

its 2 am here. i'm off to bed, nit all.
Ok, that one... There's 700 ... Kind of hard to distinguish who's, who... So is the whole book about her ? Thank you though Ariel, for your post, I do appreciate them gnite..about to go to bed as well
 
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The Book of Deuteronomy, not Exodus. Also, it's firmly believed that Joshua, as Moses right-hand man wrote about the death of Moses. Finally, you don't seem to understand the difference between love and lust. Sure, King Solomon was the Hugh Hefner of ancient history but this poem is incredibly sensual and yet very godly in its approach to marriage.
I apologize for the misquote Deuteronomy, whichever, the point remains the same, if it was truthful, Aaron or Joshua would have and should have made that known..I know exactly the difference between love and lust.. Lust is a desire that fades.. Love is something you hold through whatever, rich or poor, sick or good health, desirable or undesirable ... That's love... He wasn't a Hefner either, hefs doing the turning out, solomon got turned out " he had the real power of God "... and ended up bowed down to their gods...
 
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upon prayer and contemplation, I believe that the song of Solomon is about Bathsheba, daughter of Eliam, former wife of Uriah the Hittite, mother of Rehoboam, ancestor of Jesus.

The song changes voices between various people.
 
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upon prayer and contemplation, I believe that the song of Solomon is about Bathsheba, daughter of Eliam, former wife of Uriah the Hittite, mother of Rehoboam, ancestor of Jesus.

The song changes voices between various people.
So, King Solomon had an Oedipus complex? Oh, boy.
 
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And it changes nothing that the op raised as even an issue for the word of the Lord says that Solomon was the wisest man known unto natural man that ever was or ever will be. He had faults and flaws and God still used him! He showed what would happen if drawn away by our lust he was guilty of several acts of sin and immorality but aren't we all?
If we say we have no sin then we lie and the truth is not in us. But we are redeemed from the consequences of sin if we should happen to, we have an advocate who speaks on our behalf as we repent and ask for forgiveness he is just to do so,but it is no excuse to sin.
And for the record he is talking duality both of the love of a natural woman whoever she was and the love expressed for the church.
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That's the thing, just because something is in a the Holy Book, doesn't mean the person wrote it. Take the book of exodus written by Moses, right ? Well we know he couldn't have wrote about his own death...


…4Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, 'I will give it to your descendants'; I have let you see it with your eyes, but you shall not go over there." 5So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.…

So we know he didn't write this...

God has shown me some things and still showing me... Why I'm posting to show you all.
Never said otherwise, my friend. My post was about how the Song of Solomon relates to Jesus in some way (Because of what Jesus said in John 5:39). I try not to get to caught up in history or claims that is not really supported by the Bible exactly. My foundation is the Word of God. Secular History or claims by scholars are unproven. But the Word of God is always sure and trust worthy.
 
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upon prayer and contemplation, I believe that the song of Solomon is about Bathsheba, daughter of Eliam, former wife of Uriah the Hittite, mother of Rehoboam, ancestor of Jesus.

The song changes voices between various people.
Bathsheba was acting queen back in Jerusalem, while Solomon took vacation at his summer palace in Shunem. Solomon's mother was quite old by this time, while he had a big choice of younger women at his disposal. The Shulamite woman was simply a very desirable maiden the king just had to possess, like David's sordid acquiring of Bathsheba. Remember, David had her soldier husband murdered to make her a widow and eligible for remarriage. I love it that God doesn't hold truth back from us, regardless of how disappointing.

The king and the woman were not married, as when Solomon realized no temptation would convince her to abandon her love back home, he let her go home with the shepherd. The woman resisted all along, while the virgins of the nation clamored to get his attention, loving him from afar, and the king's court women did all they could to convince her. Yet, it was that one woman that the king demanded, but didn't get. She was not violated. The words of the king and his accomplices were the suggestive speeches. The woman was 100% faithful. There' probably the BIG lesson of the book...abiding faithfulness.

My earliest church denomination curriculum taught the concept of the Bride of Christ as strongly as the rapture and many other doctrines. Lots of hymns are based on phrases out of SOS. They used Song of Solomon to support the idea. It is possible to read through and pick out portions that warm the heart, resembling what the New Testament says about the love of Christ and the Church. The problem I developed and still have with it is the Shulamite woman never gave up on her lover, rejecting the king and all that glory she would have shared. That would severely distort any relationship between King Jesus and the Church. For instance, who was the second man concerning Christ and the Church? That's why I take the story very literally without allegory over all, but some parts can be taken allegorically to a certain degree. Solomon did for a long time have a spectacular relationship with Jehovah God, never forgetting that though falling into sin like David did sometimes. Out of study of it and claims of the Protestants that the book is an allegory of Christ and the Gentiles with Jews to the side, or the older Catholic view of Christ and His Church, I continue to reject the Bride of Christ concept being at all resembling the wives of Solomon. The apostles didn't establish a doctrine about it except John identifying the Bride to be the physical, measurable holy city New Jerusalem, where we and the Lord will inhabit together for eternity. Yes, there will be a marriage super of the Lamb for the Redeemed to attend, as brethren of Jesus, not marrying him as a man marries a woman. We will all celebrate in a grand heavenly open-house event, all of us taking that city as like a "bride". The prophets have it that though God divorced Israel over her adulteries, He will take her back after the tribulation, as allegoric of Hosea marrying a prostitute that left, eventually taking her back.
 
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upon prayer and contemplation, I believe that the song of Solomon is about Bathsheba, daughter of Eliam, former wife of Uriah the Hittite, mother of Rehoboam, ancestor of Jesus.

The song changes voices between various people.
So ... Your saying he was sleeping with his mother? David's wife ? It does seem like a uncomfortable relationship, be it what she went through to make her son king. This sounds interesting because of how David got with Bathsheba in the first place. All sin does is carry on more sin... Then look what happened in Solomon's sons reign, the tribe splits...