Song of Solomon's problems

[Brainfreeze]

Christians admitted the canonicity of the Song of Songs from the beginning, but after Jewish exegetes began to read the Song allegorically, as having to do with God's love for his people, Christian exegetes followed suit, treating the love that it celebrates as an analogy for the love between God and the Christian Church.[25] This Christian allegorical interpretation began with Origen in the 2nd century C.E.


I want to know everyone's thoughts on this book, I want to know if you think this is a book about a man and women's desire for one another or is it how God desires His church... Meaning is this literally acts between a man and women or spiritual interpretation of how God feels about the church ?

This might disturb some of you, and I apologize but it's for learning purposes alone. Don't let any of this conversing hinder your walk with Christ. Just keep Christ first and His words, we can never go wrong.

 

[4enlightment]

Christians admitted the canonicity of the Song of Songs from the beginning, but after Jewish exegetes began to read the Song allegorically, as having to do with God's love for his people, Christian exegetes followed suit, treating the love that it celebrates as an analogy for the love between God and the Christian Church.[25] This Christian allegorical interpretation began with Origen in the 2nd century C.E.


I want to know everyone's thoughts on this book, I want to know if you think this is a book about a man and women's desire for one another or is it how God desires His church... Meaning is this literally acts between a man and women or spiritual interpretation of how God feels about the church ?

This might disturb some of you, and I apologize but it's for learning purposes alone. Don't let any of this conversing hinder your walk with Christ. Just keep Christ first and His words, we can never go wrong.

It is about the feeling that Solomon received while being in the presence of God.

 

[Tintin]

We have another thread about this someone. I can't remember what I wrote but I believe the book in part, concerns God's great love for His people but that it's mostly about godly marriage. There's a lot of sexual material in the book (good, truthful passages) and I don't think that gels well with a purely spiritual understanding.

 

[Blain]

Is this thread inspired from my thread about wanting to marry Jesus? Because Brainfreeze you greatly mis interpreted my post

 

[Brainfreeze]

It is about the feeling that Solomon received while being in the presence of God.

Song of Solomon 8:10 (KJV)


10 I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour.

So Solomon received this in the presence of The Lord ? You don't believe that...

 

[Brainfreeze]

Is this thread inspired from my thread about wanting to marry Jesus? Because Brainfreeze you greatly mis interpreted my post

Yes Blain, there needs to be some understanding, I don't want anyone thinking they belong in a dress with Jesus.

 

[Brainfreeze]

We have another thread about this someone. I can't remember what I wrote but I believe the book in part, concerns God's great love for His people but that it's mostly about godly marriage. There's a lot of sexual material in the book (good, truthful passages) and I don't think that gels well with a purely spiritual understanding.

So how does one spiritually distinguish between the two ? It can't be both and pick and choose which ones are and which ones aren't.. Matter of fact God isn't mentioned in the book at all.

 

[Tintin]

So how does one spiritually distinguish between the two ? It can't be both and pick and choose which ones are and which ones aren't.. Matter of fact God isn't mentioned in the book at all.

God's not mentioned in the book of Esther either but it's a God-soaked book of the Bible. Besides, I'm not cherry-picking. I think it's reasonably obvious which parts are about God and His Church and which parts are about godly marriage.

 

[Blain]

Yes Blain, there needs to be some understanding, I don't want anyone thinking they belong in a dress with Jesus.

t was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
(Rev 19:8)
This is speaking of the bride. You were the one who thought I was talking of physical relationship with Jesus which I had not implied at all, and the dress obviously was a spiritual one not a physical one.

 

[Brainfreeze]

God's not mentioned in the book of Esther either but it's a God-soaked book of the Bible. Besides, I'm not cherry-picking. I think it's reasonably obvious which parts are about God and His Church and which parts are about godly marriage.

Esther doesn't have this sexual outline of the book either, " reasonably obvious " ... I'm sorry, but you'd be wrong if you thought Solomon had " Godly " marriage, matter a fact it would be a sin, null and void because everyone knows all the wives and women are what turned his heart to other gods... So why would Solomon be the great example for " Godly marriage "

 

[Joidevivre]

Okay - back to the topic the op started. There is value in both approaches of seeing it as between God and Israel or Christ and the church, or a poem about love and sexual intimacy in a marriage. It could have been written for God's people, to celebrate his gift of love and sexuality in marriage and to encourage reflection on the goodness and intimacies of God's love.

It is a poem that conveys feelings more than facts. It captures the many moods of love.

Allow the Holy Spirit to teach you what He wants you to glean from this amazing book.

 

[JimmieD]

It's a very interesting book. Definitely a love poem of some sort. There are some rather difficult parts to it as well:

4:9 You have stolen my heart,my sister, my bride!

6:8 There may be sixtyqueens,
and eighty concubines,
and young womenwithout number.
6:9 But she is unique!
My dove, my perfect one!

 

[Brainfreeze]

It is a poem that conveys feelings more than facts. It captures the many moods of love.

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I was waiting on this response Ms. Joidevivre,
there's a biggggg difference between love and desire/lust

 

[Tintin]

Esther doesn't have this sexual outline of the book either, " reasonably obvious " ... I'm sorry, but you'd be wrong if you thought Solomon had " Godly " marriage, matter a fact it would be a sin, null and void because everyone knows all the wives and women are what turned his heart to other gods... So why would Solomon be the great example for " Godly marriage "

It's true that Esther doesn't have as strong sexual elements (there are still some), but I never said Solomon lead a godly example for marriage. I don't believe I mentioned him at all. I did say though, that the book described godly marriage.

 

[Brainfreeze]

It's true that Esther doesn't have as strong sexual elements (there are still some), but I never said Solomon lead a godly example for marriage. I don't believe I mentioned him at all. I did say though, that the book described godly marriage.

He supposedly " wrote the book " ...

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Christians admitted the canonicity of the Song of Songs from the beginning, but after Jewish exegetes began to read the Song allegorically, as having to do with God's love for his people, Christian exegetes followed suit, treating the love that it celebrates as an analogy for the love between God and the Christian Church.[25] This Christian allegorical interpretation began with Origen in the 2nd century C.E.


I want to know everyone's thoughts on this book,

The book was of the Hebrew Bible from 1,000 BC on. Yes, the Church recognized it as holy scripture, the Catholics having their take on it, and the Protestants also wanting to make it a book about the Church and Christ. But it should be taken as a book of virtues, in the same way we cherish Proverbs, a book of virtues. Virtues by inspiration from God have great value to both Jews and Gentiles. Take the story line literally. It's about a young woman betrothed already to a shepherd, kidnapped by the king wanting to make her a queen. The story is about her faithfulness to the man back home, which eventually is her husband. The drama genere is like Job, with many actors in a type of play act, revealing much about human emotion. Along the way there are many lessons to be learned for all humanity.

Now try reading the book again and look for what made it fit for holy scriptures.

 

[Jason0047]

Jesus said the Scriptures speak about Him (John 5:39). So yes; Even the Song of Solomon speaks of Christ in some way shape or form. Ask God to show you and do lots of research and comparing Scripture with Scripture. See if there are any unique key words that appear elsewhere in the Bible.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Jesus said the Scriptures speak about Him (John 5:39). So yes; Even the Song of Solomon speaks of Christ in some way shape or form. Ask God to show you and do lots of research and comparing Scripture with Scripture. See if there are any unique key words that appear elsewhere in the Bible.

That's the thing, just because something is in a the Holy Book, doesn't mean the person wrote it. Take the book of exodus written by Moses, right ? Well we know he couldn't have wrote about his own death...


…4Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, 'I will give it to your descendants'; I have let you see it with your eyes, but you shall not go over there." 5So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.…

So we know he didn't write this...

God has shown me some things and still showing me... Why I'm posting to show you all.

 

[Ariel82]

interesting question. I will have to reread it and pray about it.

My initial thoughts are it is a love poem from King Solomon to his bride based upon these verses:

Song of Solomon 3:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Go forth, O daughters of Zion,
And see King Solomon with the crown
With which his mother crowned him
On the day of his wedding,
The day of the gladness of his heart.

 

[Brainfreeze]

The book was of the Hebrew Bible from 1,000 BC on. Yes, the Church recognized it as holy scripture, the Catholics having their take on it, and the Protestants also wanting to make it a book about the Church and Christ. But it should be taken as a book of virtues, in the same way we cherish Proverbs, a book of virtues. Virtues by inspiration from God have great value to both Jews and Gentiles. Take the story line literally. It's about a young woman betrothed already to a shepherd, kidnapped by the king wanting to make her a queen. The story is about her faithfulness to the man back home, which eventually is her husband. The drama genere is like Job, with many actors in a type of play act, revealing much about human emotion. Along the way there are many lessons to be learned for all humanity.

Now try reading the book again and look for what made it fit for holy scriptures.

Solomon was from the 900s, " the church " recognizes it ? What church ? Your saying this church thinks this, another one thinks that, and you say virtues, and to cherish it like the book of wisdom... This book brings more confusion, then any... And to think it was written by Solomon, which I don't think he did, he cared more about lust and his wives gods by this point. So these thoughts would be sinful, because God told him not to have all these wives, but here he is writing lustful poems to them and some will relate this to how God feels about us?? ... Disturbing