Thread about the end times

Blain · Dec 16, 2014

there are specific events that happened are happening and are about to happen that indicate we are in the last days. we seem to have a lot of talk about the end times and I figured why not have a thread specifically about the end times? I will share what I know about the end times and hopefully ppl who do not want to go into heated debate but like me simply want to share and post info to help others and ourselves to understand the times we are living in. I am sure there will be debates but honestly I am hoping for this to be a thread where we post info about the times we are living in whether that is something in the news, a vision or dream concerning it, scripture or whatever you think could help others understand the time we are living in.

I will start with an event that happened early in my faith. see I have always wanted to spend a day with Jesus in heaven, just 24 hours. I knew all the thing I wanted to do with him and I knew that I would learn so much from him as I fully intended to sit at his feet and be taught. well I spoke with him often about this and I sat down on my floor next to my bed and asked him lord can I even have this day with you? no sooner had I asked this an angel appeared in front of me and said yes you can! suddenly I was ascending going upward I didn't know what was happening all I knew was I was going to Jesus. this was my first full out vision and when it ended I had no idea what just happened. I had never heard of the rapture and didn't even know what it was so I just kept waling in my faith and only when I became interested in the end times did I finally realize what had happened that fateful day.

I don't have many visions but God is very generous with dreams, I have had countless rapture dreams and I have seen events that are to happen in the future but I do not rely on my dreams or visions to confirm the study of end times I have to look at events happening in these days and in the past days and research scripture to see if anything fits and lots have.

For instance the blood moon tetrad. acts:2:20 The sun will become dark, and the moon will turn blood red before that great and glorious day of the LORD arrives.

Isaiah 13:10
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.

Genesis 1:14-19 - “14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
the blood moon tetrads are amazing but what is even more amazing is they all four happen on Jewish feast days also known as God's appointed times if I recall correctly the blood moons land on passover and tabernacle.

Jesus also predicted that in the end times men would be lovers of themselves and not follow sound doctrine, well we see this quite often don't we? not only do ppl have a mind that says me me me I want I want I want but ppl don't follow sound doctrine much do they? sound doctrine often times corrects us, convicts us and reveals our weaknesses, our flaws that need changing and our darkness within us. ppl want to hear the prosperity gospel, they want to hear things that make them feel good they seek ear tickling preaching and that is what a majority of preachers preach these days and especially on youtube.

I go on youtube a lot and I have seen what a majority of these ppl do and say. there are ppl who call themselves a watchmen on the wall, oh they have lots of dreams and visions about how close the rapture is, how they can just feel its time to go home how they love to encourage their viewers to hold on its almost time. but I also have seen the ppl who watch them, they are always seeking a new vision a new dream to assure them the rapture is close that the tribulation is near. But Jesus said a wicked generation seeks a sign and that my friends is what we have we have a generation that not only seeks sign after sign but they forget all about seeking the lord in an intimate relationship and all they think pray and talk about is the rapture is going home is the end times. Yes even Jesus said to be excited and watchful but he also made it very clear that out heart our eyes our focus should be on God and to continue the work Jesus did and left for us to do.

I study the end times and many others do so this is why I made this thread but always remember who should be our main focus

Nicee · Dec 16, 2014

No one has a clue about the end times. All we can do is look at things going on in the world in relations with what the bible says and speculate. God isn't even worry about end times.

Blain · Dec 16, 2014

Nicee said:

On the contrary many do have a clue about the end times and God doesn't worry about the end times he acts on the end times. For those who study the end times for whatever reason and really dig deep into it using scripture daily events and lots of research with the holy spirit we can have a pretty good idea about where we are in the end times and about the events that are happening.

I don't know other ppl's reason for studying the end of days but God lead me to do so for a purpose and while I am not entirely sure what that purpose is I am quite sure that he intends for me to not be ignorant of the time we are in.

nnd · Dec 16, 2014

I personally believe that God's coming is very near. He did not tell us when he is coming but He sure told us the signs and things which will happen before His coming. Well they are happening now. So there is very little time left for us and not to turn back.

biscuit · Dec 16, 2014

nnd said:

Exactly!!! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that Russia is a key piece of the puzzle to start the Tribulation Period [endtime]. Heard today that the Russian economy is on the verge of collapsing from low oil prices and boycotts from Western powers. What will Russia do to strike back at the world? I won't speculate because it is in the Scriptures.

dcontroversal · Dec 16, 2014

biscuit said:

I agree with Biscuits and gravy on this one.....! About Russia that is...!

kennethcadwell · Dec 16, 2014

Yes Russia does play a big part in the end times, and so does a revised holy Roman empire which we see on the merge with the European union.....

Angela53510 · Dec 16, 2014

I guess your dreams about the rapture, Blain are false, since there is no rapture in the Bible. Seriously, you need to read the Bible, instead of just watching youtube videos of false teachers!

As for end times, people have thought that NOW is the times since the days of the apostles. But Peter warned them that he would come when it was the right time.

"They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished." 2 Peter 3:4-6

The Crusades were started because people thought the Lord was going to be coming, and the Holy Land, especially Jerusalem. I guess that wasn't God's plan for that time, and it probably isn't for now. All this end times nonsense is just hysterical hype promoted by people like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye in his FICTION books about the the end times. Sadly, his prophecies never came to pass, just like I doubt Jesus will come today, as so much has to be done by us before he returns. Really, the the last commandment of Jesus is the most important in terms of fulfilling Jesus' requirements for when he returns.

"18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20

As I have said so many times, there is only one requirement that will bring the second coming of Christ. And if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14

MadParrotWoman · Dec 16, 2014

We can't know when Christ will return. End times were thought to be immanent at the time of WWII and the systematic slaughter of the Jews that ensued. As Angela says there were times before and times after this when it was thought Jesus was on the verge of returning, all we can do is wait...and witness as if it will happen tomorrow.

Blain · Dec 16, 2014

Angela53510 said:

I guess your dreams about the rapture, Blain are false, since there is no rapture in the Bible. Seriously, you need to read the Bible, instead of just watching youtube videos of false teachers!

As for end times, people have thought that NOW is the times since the days of the apostles. But Peter warned them that he would come when it was the right time.

"They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished." 2 Peter 3:4-6

The Crusades were started because people thought the Lord was going to be coming, and the Holy Land, especially Jerusalem. I guess that wasn't God's plan for that time, and it probably isn't for now. All this end times nonsense is just hysterical hype promoted by people like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye in his FICTION books about the the end times. Sadly, his prophecies never came to pass, just like I doubt Jesus will come today, as so much has to be done by us before he returns. Really, the the last commandment of Jesus is the most important in terms of fulfilling Jesus' requirements for when he returns.

"18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20

As I have said so many times, there is only one requirement that will bring the second coming of Christ. And if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14

Angela My dreams of the rapture are not false because the word rapture isn't in the bible. the event of it is but rapture is a man made word for the event. Honestly Angela you know the bible quite well correct? so should you not know of the catching away? I have seen the rapture take place many times but never was a shown a timing of it, but as I said I do not rely on my dreams to understand the end times I rely on deep study of the scriptures and daily events I have many pages of research packed in my room so it would be a pain to post it all

kennethcadwell · Dec 16, 2014

MadParrotWoman said:

The problem with those who believed the tribulation period started back then is that they did not pay attention to the biblical unfulfilled prophecies from the old testament. This same thing is even done in our time, as there are still a few unfulfilled prophecies from the OT and the NT that still have to happen to usher in the tribulation period.
Now I am not saying these things can not happen in our time, because the few things left could happen in a matter of days to even a year. Then you have the 7 years of tribulation with the last 3 1/2 years being great tribulation.

Well if you take somebody like me who is 38, and God willing I live to be at least 80 unless tribulation, rapture, or both come first. That gives 42 years of my life that a total of maybe 10 years of events to take place, 7 years of tribulation and the last few events to usher in the tribulation.

john832 · Dec 16, 2014

MadParrotWoman said:

We can't know the day and the hour. There are some indicators...

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Not available until this time and with the internet, to say knowledge is increased is an understatement...

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

This became possible in the 1950's when the U.S. and the (then) Soviet Union had stockpiled enough nuclear weapons to obliterate all life on earth 50 times over. Now what was it Jesus said about those times...

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Which generation? The generation that sees all these things.

Let's zero in a little tighter...

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

So, 1260 days. Now I think it will be evident when they begin witnessing. It will agitate the whole world. So, are we 1260 days from the return of Christ and the resurrection of the dead as referred to in vs 11-12?

How do we count that? Are the 3-1/2 days they are dead counted in the 1260 days? Or are they additional days?

We still will not know the day and the hour until the two witnesses are killed. We'll know the day, and perhaps the hour but at that time, will it matter if we know?

1still_waters · Dec 16, 2014

Angela53510 said:

I agree with the heart of what you're saying, but wording it this way can align us with some sects that are outside the realm of orthodoxy. It's not that there isn't a rapture, it's that there isn't an invisible snatching away of believers to heaven before a global tribulation, and before Jesus visibly comes back.

Darby and Scofield have redefined the rapture into something it's not. And because that redefinition is now the default setting in much of western Christianity, many are quick to say there is no such thing as a rapture. But saying that may cause people to associate you with unorthodox sects.

The rapture is simply Jesus catching his believers to be with him when he for once and for all comes back visibly to raise the dead, judge, and restore creation. The Darby/Scofield redefinition defines rapture as an invisible gathering of the believers off the planet at some point before/mid/after a global tribulation so the ycan escape it. It's something that happens before Jesus visibly comes back to raise the dead, restore creation, and judge.

Rapture is clearly Biblical.
1 Thes 4:17
17 Then we who are alive [a]and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Darbyism is not in the Bible. In my opinion.

john832 · Dec 16, 2014

1still_waters said:

I agree with the heart of what you're saying, but wording it this way can align us with some sects that are outside the realm of orthodoxy. It's not that there isn't a rapture, it's that there isn't an invisible snatching away of believers to heaven before a global tribulation, and before Jesus visibly comes back.

Darby and Scofield have redefined the rapture into something it's not. And because that redefinition is now the default setting in much of western Christianity, many are quick to say there is no such thing as a rapture. But saying that may cause people to associate you with unorthodox sects.

The rapture is simply Jesus catching his believers to be with him when he for once and for all comes back visibly to raise the dead, judge, and restore creation. The Darby/Scofield redefinition defines rapture as an invisible gathering of the believers off the planet at some point before/mid/after a global tribulation so the can escape it. It's something that happens before Jesus visibly comes back to raise the dead, restore creation, and judge.

Rapture is clearly Biblical.
1 Thes 4:17
17 Then we who are alive [a]and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Darbyism is not in the Bible. In my opinion.

I guess one could refer to the resurrection as a rapture but that word is so tainted by the "Secret Rapture" false doctrine, I prefer not to use it at all. I would rather use the word resurrection just as Paul did...

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1still_waters · Dec 16, 2014

john832 said:

The resurrection and rapture go hand in hand.
It's all part of the context where the greek word we use for rapture is found.

Darbyism separates rapture and resurrection.

Biblical (In my opinion. I know I sound arrogant saying this.) resurrection and rapture (caught up) happen at the same time, at the end of time, when Jesus visibly returns to judge, restore creation, and of course resurrect the dead.

dcontroversal · Dec 16, 2014

1still_waters said:

I agree with the heart of what you're saying, but wording it this way can align us with some sects that are outside the realm of orthodoxy. It's not that there isn't a rapture, it's that there isn't an invisible snatching away of believers to heaven before a global tribulation, and before Jesus visibly comes back.

Darby and Scofield have redefined the rapture into something it's not. And because that redefinition is now the default setting in much of western Christianity, many are quick to say there is no such thing as a rapture. But saying that may cause people to associate you with unorthodox sects.

The rapture is simply Jesus catching his believers to be with him when he for once and for all comes back visibly to raise the dead, judge, and restore creation. The Darby/Scofield redefinition defines rapture as an invisible gathering of the believers off the planet at some point before/mid/after a global tribulation so the ycan escape it. It's something that happens before Jesus visibly comes back to raise the dead, restore creation, and judge.

Rapture is clearly Biblical.
1 Thes 4:17
17 Then we who are alive [a]and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Darbyism is not in the Bible. In my opinion.

I agree for sure........

Angela53510 · Dec 16, 2014

I agree with those who have mentioned no secret rapture, no pre-trib rapture, and no Darby and Scofieldism.

"Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:17

"ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα." 1 Thess 4:17 Greek.

The first key word in this passage is ἁρπαγησόμεθα or arpagesometha, which is in the future Indicative Passive tense. So something is going to happen to believers in the future, and God is doing it to us. And what he is going to do is "snatch" us into the clouds.

The catch is, the word does not mean go up into heaven. It clearly says clouds. But the important thing, is that this word does not imply going anywhere.

Which brings us to the second key word. Which is ἀπάντησιν or apantesin. This is VERY important. This word only appears three times in the Bible, and it had a technical meaning in the Hellenistic world, related to the visits of dignitaries to cities where a visitor would be formally met by the citizens, who would out from the city, and would then ceremonially escort him BACK into the city! So in 1 Thess 4:17, we are going to meet the Lord, then escort him back to earth!

The other places this word apantesin appears in the Bible are:

"And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.[SUP]16 [/SUP]And when we came to Rome, the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard: but Paul was suffered to dwell by himself with a soldier that kept him." Acts 28:15-16

"And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." Matt 25:6

In the first case, the people came out to meet Paul and escort him into Rome, and in the second case the virgins went out to meet the bridegroom and then go back inside for the marriage in verse 10.

"And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." Matt 25:10

So Blain if your dreams take you anywhere but back to earth, the are simply dreams of an overactive imagination! Always compare your EXPERIENCES to the Bible. If they are in conflict, then you are wrong, not the Bible. But don't feel bad, too many people have been sucked into the false teaching of Darby and Scofield to count!

Blain · Dec 16, 2014

so any way.... we can all agree we are in the end times correct? now we can study the scriptures on our own however as good as this is considering the different beliefs and doctrines we all have we need to at least find some key points that we all can agree on. Now I have been studying bible prophecy for a while and something I have found all over the bible in both the new and old testament is the day of the Lord. what do you all think about the day of the Lord? where is it in the tribulation the beginning middle or end and are we going to be here when this comes? Are we to be taken away or simply protected?

1still_waters · Dec 16, 2014

Angela53510 said:

The first Christians believed they already sat with Christ in the heavenly places.

Ephesians 2

So when Paul mentions being caught up with Jesus in the clouds, maybe he's speaking not so much of being transported bodily off the planet, but is speaking in a figurative way to indicate that Christians (All Christians) who are already seated in the heavens, will be "caught up" meaning formally in a state of escorting the king back to His Earth.

^---Speculation. Probably needs refining.

notuptome · Dec 16, 2014

The rapture will only be a secret to those who are unsaved. They already have no knowledge of Spiritual things so it's nothing new or earth shaking in that respect.

The rapture is a church specific event. All the church living and dead will be gathered together with the Lord and the saints already taken from Abrahams bosom. We will return with Christ when He comes in all His glory at the end of the tribulation. This will be an Israel specific event. Jesus is returning to Jerusalem for His people Israel. He will make the advent they expected the first time.

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Roger

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