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To be honest that is all symantics to me.
Are we supposed to walk in the ways Yahweh and Yahshua say?
Yes?
No?
If yes do we do it on our power or by the power Yahweh guides us with? Because we ALWAYS HAVE FREEWILL.
Is it wrong to read the words and think man I should follow them?
Or is that how satan has tricked many, by twisting what the letter of the law really means and turning mercy into iniquity.
Quote the meaning of iniquity and then read this;
Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."
What is sin and is sin ok?
1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Yeremyah 13:1-10, "This is what Yahweh said to me: Go and buy yourself a linen belt, and put it around your waist, but do not put it in water. So I got a belt according to the word of Yahweh, and put it around my waist. And the word of Yahweh came to me the second time, saying: Take the belt you bought, which is around your waist, and arise, go to the Euphrates, and hide it there in a cleft in the rock. So I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as Yahweh commanded me. And it came to pass after many days that Yahweh said to me: Arise, go to the Euphrates, and get the belt I commanded you to hide there. Then I went to the Euphrates and dug, and I took the belt from the place where I had hidden it; and behold, the belt was ruined, unfit for use. Then the word of Yahweh came to me, saying: This is what Yahweh says; After this manner I will ruin the pride of Yahdah and the great pride of Yerusalem. This evil people, who refuse to listen to My words, who walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after the hinder gods to serve them and worship them, will be just like this belt which is unfit for use."
Are we supposed to walk in the ways Yahweh and Yahshua say?
Yes?
No?
If yes do we do it on our power or by the power Yahweh guides us with? Because we ALWAYS HAVE FREEWILL.
Is it wrong to read the words and think man I should follow them?
Or is that how satan has tricked many, by twisting what the letter of the law really means and turning mercy into iniquity.
Quote the meaning of iniquity and then read this;
Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."
What is sin and is sin ok?
1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Yeremyah 13:1-10, "This is what Yahweh said to me: Go and buy yourself a linen belt, and put it around your waist, but do not put it in water. So I got a belt according to the word of Yahweh, and put it around my waist. And the word of Yahweh came to me the second time, saying: Take the belt you bought, which is around your waist, and arise, go to the Euphrates, and hide it there in a cleft in the rock. So I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as Yahweh commanded me. And it came to pass after many days that Yahweh said to me: Arise, go to the Euphrates, and get the belt I commanded you to hide there. Then I went to the Euphrates and dug, and I took the belt from the place where I had hidden it; and behold, the belt was ruined, unfit for use. Then the word of Yahweh came to me, saying: This is what Yahweh says; After this manner I will ruin the pride of Yahdah and the great pride of Yerusalem. This evil people, who refuse to listen to My words, who walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after the hinder gods to serve them and worship them, will be just like this belt which is unfit for use."
When I read ;
Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."
It does not produce lust, it makes me realize who Yahweh wants me to be.
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."
It does not produce lust, it makes me realize who Yahweh wants me to be.
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
2 different views;
Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."
Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."
Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
M
Now I know you are not really trying to consider the truth of what I am trying to help you see...but lets consider that the Lord said not one jot or tittle would pass away until ALL IS FULFILLED...He also said I did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill...Now if one claims that they are under any part of the law, they must be under every jot and tittle...right?
I accept all of Yah's Instructions, I take joy in them, the world teaches me to be vile Yah teaches me to be righteous, I need a lot of work still, I know.
If you can find A SINGLE VERSE WHERE THE MESSIAH SAYS ANYTHING DIFFERENT I will take heed. As much as human words are worth I give my word. (it is Yah that leads)
If you can find A SINGLE VERSE WHERE THE MESSIAH SAYS ANYTHING DIFFERENT I will take heed. As much as human words are worth I give my word. (it is Yah that leads)
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
I knew you would be here Hiz...now lets try to be nice and honest in this debate...I must say you seem like a nice guy anyway 
Yes the prophecy is fulfilled of the law upon the heart when we receive the Holy Spirit..."for the law is spiritual" and we fulfill the law through faith and love...not through the letter (written code)
Yes the prophecy is fulfilled of the law upon the heart when we receive the Holy Spirit..."for the law is spiritual" and we fulfill the law through faith and love...not through the letter (written code)
though if your sorry, and truly repent ( turn away ) Christ Yahshua is just, to forgive you..
M
I agree in general...but one must know the righteousness of faith to walk in the Spirit...to be under the law is to be in the "flesh" ...
Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
In times past certainly, but now when I read Instructions I love them.
When the carnal mind reads, "love you neighbor as yourself" (something the Messiah taught through and through) the carnal mind does not want to obey that.
When the Spiritual mind reads "love you neighbor as yourself" the Spiritual mind wants to obey, reads it and has a warm feeling, contemplating on different ways this Law of love can apply, different ways it can be played out, after all we do have physical brains and free will.
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
However the lying pastors have blinded the sheep to this and rather tell them all is ok, and you compound that with what the world teaches, ...satans playground.
With all this said, I am not perfect, I have weakness, but I cherish righteousness in its pre-undefiled form, and that ONLY comes from Yahweh and IS ONLY explained to us through His Law, which Messiah GAVE PERFECT EXPLANATION OF.
When the carnal mind reads, "love you neighbor as yourself" (something the Messiah taught through and through) the carnal mind does not want to obey that.
When the Spiritual mind reads "love you neighbor as yourself" the Spiritual mind wants to obey, reads it and has a warm feeling, contemplating on different ways this Law of love can apply, different ways it can be played out, after all we do have physical brains and free will.
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
However the lying pastors have blinded the sheep to this and rather tell them all is ok, and you compound that with what the world teaches, ...satans playground.
With all this said, I am not perfect, I have weakness, but I cherish righteousness in its pre-undefiled form, and that ONLY comes from Yahweh and IS ONLY explained to us through His Law, which Messiah GAVE PERFECT EXPLANATION OF.
M
Take the Sabbath...by the "letter" its a 24 hour day on Sat...now in the Spirit we cease from our own works and "rest" in the love of God... Thou shalt not covet ...is only fulfilled when we love others as ourselves and rejoice that others have..even if we don't have as much... Thou shalt not steal...is only fulfilled when we love the thief and give to others... What im teaching is the divine nature of God...but one cannot get there unless they die to self-righteousness and to the law.