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Angela53510

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Please post briefly what this is about. I don't watch you tube videos longer than 4 or 5 minutes.
 
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if someone seeks Yahweh the Creator in truth, they will recognize Yahshua (Yahweh's Salvation) Hamashiach(Messiah) as God
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they will recognize the men who Yahweh called and chose.

those who reject those men Yahweh called and chose, reject Yahshua also. probably without exception, except as Yahweh knows human foibles (very mixed up human teachings a lot of everybody is exposed to), He knows if a person is truly seeking the Creator of not.

seek Yahweh while He may be found. He is the Author, Creator, and Giver of Life, and He can forgive sins through Yahshua.
 
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jeff_peacemkr said:
if someone seeks Yahweh the Creator in truth, they will recognize Yahshua (Yahweh's Salvation) Hamashiach(Messiah) as God
and
they will recognize the men who Yahweh called and chose.

those who reject those men Yahweh called and chose, reject Yahshua also. probably without exception, except as Yahweh knows human foibles (very mixed up human teachings a lot of everybody is exposed to), He knows if a person is truly seeking the Creator of not.

seek Yahweh while He may be found. He is the Author, Creator, and Giver of Life, and He can forgive sins through Yahshua.
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I don't know who you are talking about, Joshua or Jesus
 
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Kerry said:
I don't know who you are talking about, Joshua or Jesus
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Don't start that again .... I told you that Jesus' name is Joshua and posted the Greek/Hebrew dictionary for you to see.

Do you hate Jews or something? If not - don't mock their language - regardless of who uses it -- because even the KJV uses their language in a few spots.


:p
 
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that's not all . (you don't know). but once you meet the Father, or Jesus, you'll know.

Kerry said:
I don't know who you are talking about, Joshua or Jesus
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Angela53510 said:
Please post briefly what this is about. I don't watch you tube videos longer than 4 or 5 minutes.
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i watched - basically he's teaching how Paul's epistles are to be considered as scripture, saying that Paul was used to fulfill what Christ said "I have many more things to tell you, but you cannot bear them now" - how that the Spirit guides us into all truth, and it is this Spirit that worked in Paul.
so rejecting Paul is rejecting the one that sent him.

*agree*

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-- i was doing some other work with this playing in the background and honestly not paying very close attention.
seeing the post below mine, maybe i should listen closer.
i do agree that Paul spoke and wrote by the Holy Spirit and was called by God to do so.
obviously i don't believe baptism or repentance is not for us. .. or that Paul teaches things contrary to Christ.

hmm, maybe i shouldn't listen again haha, or should i listen but closer?
 
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I just watched the video, and this guy is dangerous.
He started off with showing that he is what is termed as a Paulinian. He tries to say that Paul confirms what Jesus said, but then he turns around in the same breath and says Paul taught different then Jesus. Then at the end of the video before they go to the music and singing, he leaves off with saying repentance and baptism is not for us.
Don't listen to this charlatan for he is leading people away from Christ, instead of toward Christ.

Remember Paul said that he, another apostle, or even an angel from God can preach to us another gospel or Jesus then what was already given by the Lord.

And also remember this from the Lord as he did not say His teachings were only for the Jews;



Matthew 28:16-20


The Great Commission


16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”


This man is denying the great commission, and believes Paul taught a different gospel. He also tries to say Hebrews, the epistles from John and Peter is not for us. If you read what Paul wrote, he did confirm what Jesus taught as he did not change one single thing that the Lord taught.
 
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posthuman said:
i watched - he's teaching how Paul's epistles are to be considered as scripture, saying that Paul was used to fulfill what Christ said "I have many more things to tell you, but you cannot bear them now" - how that the Spirit guides us into all truth, and it is this Spirit that worked in Paul.
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Yes but he also said that repentance and baptism does not apply to us at the end of the video.
This man is dangerous.
 
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thanks Kenneth you paid closer attention than i did :)
 
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The crazy thing is that I did not need to watch I already knew by the bible that the blood is what set us free.
 
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The crazy thing is that I did not need to watch I already knew by the bible that the blood is what set us free.
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amen :)

you know, i am already well-convinced that Paul is an apostle of the Lord. so i guess i honestly started tuning him out in the first 5-8 minutes.
did you listen to the rest of the series Kenneth or just this video?

it sounds like i don't even want to look into it.
 
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Mid Acts Dispensationalism (MAD) is the false teaching that Paul taught a different doctrine than Jesus. I am very familar with this false teaching from TOL (TheologyOnline.com). Many of them there are MAD proponents.

While there are many verses that refute their false way of thinking. One of the best verses that destroys their Theology is 1 Timothy 6:3-4. It says, if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of godliness, they are proud and know nothing.
 
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thanks Kenneth you paid closer attention than i did :)
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No problem, but all thanks be to God for exposing these charlatans that creep into and try to drive people away from the truth.
When he kept saying Paul taught different then Jesus, I kept waiting to see what he said was different from Paul then Jesus. Which he never did tell the very end when he said repentance and baptism is not for us. That right there showed his falsehood in his teaching, and the dangers he is teaching.


All of these are from Paul

2 Corinthians 7:9
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
 
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posthuman said:
amen :)

you know, i am already well-convinced that Paul is an apostle of the Lord. so i guess i honestly started tuning him out in the first 5-8 minutes.
did you listen to the rest of the series Kenneth or just this video?

it sounds like i don't even want to look into it.
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No, once he said repentance and baptism was not for us. I was done watching anything he had to say !!!
 
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Mid Acts Dispensationalism teaches that there are two or more gospels. One gospel by Jesus and the other by Paul.

First, Paul was a Jew. So if he was a Jew, then why would he teach that which did not apply to him? Also, why did Paul write to other Jews if he was supposed to only write to the Gentiles?

For Peter says that his beloved brother Paul had also had written unto of whom Peter was writiing to, as well.

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-16)




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Second, why does Paul say there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek and that we are all one in Christ? (Romans 10:12) (Galatians 3:28). In fact, Jesus said to his disciples to preach the gospel to all the world to every creature (Mark 16:15).
 
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Mid Acts Dispensationalism is nothing new. Back in Paul's day, people were also wrongfully following Paul, too. For Paul said that there should not be divisions between Christ and what he taught (1 Corinthians 1:10, 11, 12, 13); For Paul said, "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Corinthians 1:13).

For Paul said, if any man preaches another gospel, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:6, 7, 8, 9) . Soooo... if Peter or Jesus was preaching another gospel different than Paul's gospel, does that mean that they were accursed? No, of course not because it was all the same gospel.
 
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What was Paul's opinion regarding the teachings or words of Jesus Christ?​

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
(Colossians 2:8).


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“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
(1 Timothy 6:3-5).​
 
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Jason0047 said:
What was Paul's opinion regarding the teachings or words of Jesus Christ?​

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
(Colossians 2:8).


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“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
(1 Timothy 6:3-5).​
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Jason, between you and me I think they get the point now or at least I hope and pray to God they do.

This man not only said repentance and baptism not for us, he also took and pretty much said all books of the bible that are not written by Paul can be tossed away. He even said Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts is not for us.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
Jason, between you and me I think they get the point now or at least I hope and pray to God they do.

This man not only said repentance and baptism not for us, he also took and pretty much said all books of the bible that are not written by Paul can be tossed away. He even said Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts is not for us.
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Yeah, it's a crazy doctrine. And I agree, I do pray and hope that they will see where we are coming from with Scripture, too.
 
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