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[ChosenbyHim]

Please post briefly what this is about. I don't watch you tube videos longer than 4 or 5 minutes.

Following Paul is in obedience to the word of Jesus.

When Christians refuse to follow Paul, they are disobeying Jesus as a result.

It is the Holy Spirit which inspired Paul to write 2 Timothy 2:15:

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We must study to show ourselves approved unto God. We must work and study the Holy Scriptures and we must Rightly Divide them.

And anyone who does not take heed to Paul's epistles are in rebellion to the word of God.

Bible believing Christianity is Pauline Doctrine mainly.

I would strongly recommend that you watch the video sermon. It is only approximately 30 minutes. Really good teaching, and a much needed one for our day where very few people are rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countlessb guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

 

[Hizikyah]

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

 

[oldhermit]

Mid Acts Dispensationalism teaches that there are two or more gospels. One gospel by Jesus and the other by Paul.

First, Paul was a Jew. So if he was a Jew, then why would he teach that which did not apply to him? Also, why did Paul write to other Jews if he was supposed to only write to the Gentiles?

For Peter says that his beloved brother Paul had also had written unto of whom Peter was writiing to, as well.

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-16)




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Second, why does Paul say there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek and that we are all one in Christ? (Romans 10:12) (Galatians 3:28). In fact, Jesus said to his disciples to preach the gospel to all the world to every creature (Mark 16:15).

Yea, this is a very popular theory and one that is hotly debated on other chat sites but I see it here only marginally and not very often.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yea, this is a very popular theory and one that is hotly debated on other chat sites but I see it here only marginally and not very often.

Where do you stand on this, Im interested to hear your view, honestly.

 

[oldhermit]

Where do you stand on this, I'm interested to hear your view, honestly.

The M.A.D doctrine is as absurd as its acronym implies.

 

[Hizikyah]

The M.A.D doctrine is as absurd as its acronym implies.

Mutual assured destruction?

Im confused what is M.A.D. doctrine?

 

[oldhermit]

Mutual assured destruction?

Im confused what is M.A.D. doctrine?

LOL. The acronym stands for Mid Acts Dispensationalism. Basically it teaches that there are two separate gospels and dispensations presented in the book of Acts, one gospel for the Gentiles and another for the Jews.

 

[Hizikyah]

LOL. The acronym stands for Mid Acts Dispensationalism. Basically it teaches that there are two separate gospels and dispensations presented in the book of Acts, one gospel for the Gentiles and another for the Jews.

Kee.

Ok thank you Im lost when it comes to the different terms...

and I can say I agree 100% there is only 1 way!

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

 

[kennethcadwell]

Following Paul is in obedience to the word of Jesus.

When Christians refuse to follow Paul, they are disobeying Jesus as a result.

It is the Holy Spirit which inspired Paul to write 2 Timothy 2:15:

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We must study to show ourselves approved unto God. We must work and study the Holy Scriptures and we must Rightly Divide them.

And anyone who does not take heed to Paul's epistles are in rebellion to the word of God.

Bible believing Christianity is Pauline Doctrine mainly.

I would strongly recommend that you watch the video sermon. It is only approximately 30 minutes. Really good teaching, and a much needed one for our day where very few people are rightly dividing the word of truth.

I watched the video, and this guy is teaching a falsely.
He said at the end of the video that repentance and baptism is not what he teaches for it is not for us, that is wrong and false. Paul was given authority to be the main Apostle to give the same gospel that Jesus and Peter taught, he was just the main one commissioned to give it to the Gentiles. If you study and pay close attention to what Paul said, he never once did away with repentance, baptism, or confession. Nor did he do away with the 10 commandments, or any of the other teachings the Lord Jesus said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Which is another thing this guy said, as he pretty much said in not these words, but to pretty much toss all the rest of the books out of the bible not written by Paul.
That is just ridiculous.........

 

[4enlightment]

If Paul is following Jesus, then who's following Paul is following the One that Paul is following.

 

[Hizikyah]

Who is this talking about? and why would it be written if we had a gang of people to choose from to follow?

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

Who's your daddy?

1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

 

[AtonedFor]

Following Paul Is Following Jesus

This is quite understandable since Jesus trained Paul for 17 years
(Galatians 1:18--2:1) in the desert regions ...
before he ventured out in any big way at all to evangelize the Gentiles.

 

[oldhermit]

Who is this talking about? and why would it be written if we had a gang of people to choose from to follow?

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

Who's your daddy?

1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

The Samaritan woman at the well demonstrates how the concept of the Messiah was understood among the Samaritans. You may correct me if I am wrong on this point but from what I understand, the Samaritans accepted only the first five books of Moses as scripture and the only concept they had of Messiah would have been the passage in Deut 18. This woman knew that Messiah was promised who would declare all things, but in verse 21 of John 4 she had not yet connected Jesus to this text. She still saw him as some other prophet but not THAT prophet. “The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us,” 25-26. When Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am He,” she abandoned her chores and returned to the city. This was news that had to be told. She is also looking for conformation, “This is not the Christ is it?” It would seem that here she makes that connection.

 

[Hizikyah]

The Samaritan woman at the well demonstrates how the concept of the Messiah was understood among the Samaritans. You may correct me if I am wrong on this point but from what I understand, the Samaritans accepted only the first five books of Moses as scripture and the only concept they had of Messiah would have been the passage in Deut 18. This woman knew that Messiah was promised who would declare all things, but in verse 21 of John 4 she had not yet connected Jesus to this text. She still saw him as some other prophet but not THAT prophet. “The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us,” 25-26. When Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am He,” she abandoned her chores and returned to the city. This was news that had to be told. She is also looking for conformation, “This is not the Christ is it?” It would seem that here she makes that connection.

I think we are on the same page here, 100% I agree with your assessment just want to build upon it if I may?

I love you!

Yeah it seems like she had a simple outlook? (I think)

You know the pharisees had a overly complicated and thus foolish outlook, built off their own desires... reading of their literature is so confusing, it is to the point of babble, blind to what was right in front of them, I IMO, see some of that today when people reject the simplicity and 100% true and pure teachings of Messiah and replce them with ANY other teaching... JMO.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

I watched the video, and this guy is teaching a falsely.
He said at the end of the video that repentance and baptism is not what he teaches for it is not for us, that is wrong and false. Paul was given authority to be the main Apostle to give the same gospel that Jesus and Peter taught, he was just the main one commissioned to give it to the Gentiles. If you study and pay close attention to what Paul said, he never once did away with repentance, baptism, or confession. Nor did he do away with the 10 commandments, or any of the other teachings the Lord Jesus said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Which is another thing this guy said, as he pretty much said in not these words, but to pretty much toss all the rest of the books out of the bible not written by Paul.
That is just ridiculous.........

Water baptism is not for salvation. That is what he meant.

Repentance is certainly for today. Repentance is what makes one ready for salvation.

And no, Paul did not preach the Same Gospel which Jesus and Peter preached. Jesus and His 12 apostles preached the Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 4:23 & Matt. 9:35) to the Nation of Israel.

The Gospel which was revealed to Paul by the Lord Jesus Christ was the Gospel of the Grace of God (Acts 20:24 & 1 Cor. 15:1-4).

And no the brother who preached the message in the video of the O.P. did not at all say to toss out all the rest of the books of the Bible. All that brother was teaching was that when you read the other books of the Bible, you must read them in the light of Pauline revelation which is revealed in the Pauline Epistles to the Church.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Water baptism is not for salvation. That is what he meant.

Repentance is certainly for today. Repentance is what makes one ready for salvation.

And no, Paul did not preach the Same Gospel which Jesus and Peter preached. Jesus and His 12 apostles preached the Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 4:23 & Matt. 9:35) to the Nation of Israel.

The Gospel which was revealed to Paul by the Lord Jesus Christ was the Gospel of the Grace of God (Acts 20:24 & 1 Cor. 15:1-4).

And no the brother who preached the message in the video of the O.P. did not at all say to toss out all the rest of the books of the Bible. All that brother was teaching was that when you read the other books of the Bible, you must read them in the light of Pauline revelation which is revealed in the Pauline Epistles to the Church.

To start off with repentance is for us, and he said he does not teach repentance for that is not for us.
Second water baptism (baptizo) is a direct command from the Lord in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16, and is part of being reborn into Christ. Peter makes it evident that was His command in Acts 2:38 and Acts 10:47, as Peter says in chapter 10 no man can forbid water for people to be baptized. If you take away His commands then that is directly being disobedient to God, as the Lord said His words are not His but are the Fathers.....

Paul did not teach another gospel, that is false and biblical heresy.
All Paul did was give more meat of the same gospel, as he listed out multiple times what born again believers can not have as part of their life and what things they are to have in their life...... They all preached salvation through the Lord given by God's grace. I would ask you get away from that false Paulinian doctrine that has been rebuked for years because of its falsehood.

What the Lord Jesus said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John was not just for the Jews, that is completely false and you can find a scripture in Paul's epistles that completely confirm every single thing the Lord said.......

And yes he did pretty much cancel out all the other books as he said there may be some truths in them, but no books are for us except Paul's epistles.......
I suggest that if you believe this man, you better go listen to what he said closer.....Then go and read what the Lord said, and then go read Paul's epistles as you will find that Paul did not cancel anything out that the Lord said. The other thing is that it has been well known by biblical scholars that the book to the Hebrews was written by an understudy of Paul.


Lord Jesus never once said that His teachings were just for Israel, that is false exegesis and leads to false doctrine.
As the Lord said His teachings were for all the nations of the world............




Matthew 28:16-20


The Great Commission


16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

 

[kennethcadwell]

If Paul is following Jesus, then who's following Paul is following the One that Paul is following.

This sounds good in theory, but some have twisted and perverted the true gospel message and started a new false Paulinian gospel. Trying to say that Paul taught a different gospel then Lord Jesus, when in truth all he did was give more meat of the same gospel.............

 

[kennethcadwell]

Water baptism is not for salvation. That is what he meant.

Repentance is certainly for today. Repentance is what makes one ready for salvation.

And no, Paul did not preach the Same Gospel which Jesus and Peter preached. Jesus and His 12 apostles preached the Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 4:23 & Matt. 9:35) to the Nation of Israel.

The Gospel which was revealed to Paul by the Lord Jesus Christ was the Gospel of the Grace of God (Acts 20:24 & 1 Cor. 15:1-4).

And no the brother who preached the message in the video of the O.P. did not at all say to toss out all the rest of the books of the Bible. All that brother was teaching was that when you read the other books of the Bible, you must read them in the light of Pauline revelation which is revealed in the Pauline Epistles to the Church.

Plus I just had to say this, the gospel of the kingdom that the Lord mentioned is the gospel of salvation.......
Using different wordage does not change the meaning, as to inherit the kingdom of heaven is to receive salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ................