What was abolished?

[Hizikyah]

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

This is 100% true, however lets look at the few verses around this...

Romans 13:9-14, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the Law. Put On Yahshua Messiah And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us throw off the works of darkness, and put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly, as in the daytime; not in revelry and drunkenness, not in sexual impurity and debauchery, not in strife and envy. Rather, humble yourself to our Ruler, Yahshua Messiah, and put a stop to providing for the lusts of the flesh."

1 Yahchanan (John) 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 Yahchanan (John) 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws (Commandments/Instructions). For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law (Commandments/Instructions), and His Law (Commandments/Instructions) is not grievous."

Law (Commandments/Instructions) = 1785 - entolé
Strong's Concordance
entolé: an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"

2 Timothy 3, "Know this also: that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers; without a truce, unforgiving, false accusers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of those who are righteous, Traitors; betrayers, headstrong, arrogant, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of Yahweh, Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away! For they are the sort who creep into The Houses of Yahweh, and lead away silly women who are loaded down with sins, captured by various lusts, Always learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Iannes, and Iambres opposed Mosheh, so also do these men oppose the truth--men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they will proceed no further; for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was! But from me, you have closely followed the teaching, the conduct, the purpose; intention, the faith, the longsuffering, the love, the patience; perseverance, The persecutions, and the afflictions, which came upon me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra--which persecutions I endured, and out of them all, Yahweh delivered me. Yes, and all who will live righteously, as Yahshua Messiah, will suffer persecution. But evil men and imposters will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in the things which you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from Whom you have learned them; And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation, through the faith which is in Yahshua Messiah. All Scripture is given through inspiration of Yahweh is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of Yahweh may become perfect, thoroughly furnished for every righteous work."

Ephesians 1:10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment, to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

Matthew 12:3
0 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

John 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from Yahweh, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Well it's kinda hard to have followed the laws without chasing others away by judging them, like for an instance if someone that is suffering from a severe case of Scoliosis, it is written that a man must stand upright, but we tell the one that is suffering from scoliosis, that he is sinning because God had meant mankind to stand upright, not slumped over like and animal and which that is not fulfilling the laws; and so it had to be removed, or else we will all be condemn, because we all have became judges like the pharisees were doing. And so are you able to not tell your best friend to "get behind me satan", because he had told you that he was Gay? And which that isn't being faithful. So the laws were removed so that God doesn't have to tell us all to get behind Him, because we were doing the things that is against what is the rightful thing to do.

SO "standing upright" is not about walking in a righteous manner? But about "meant mankind to stand upright, not slumped over like and animal "Whaaaaaaaat! LOL and im called a "pharisee type" LOL

Matthew 15:2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

Again you conveniently leave out:

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices, mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law, justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 16:6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”

New International Version Matt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible Matt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."


Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."

Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

So the laws were removed so that God doesn't have to tell us all to get behind Him, because we were doing the things that is against what is the rightful thing to do.

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 Yahchanan (John) 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 Yahchanan (John) 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Just because we have mercy does not mean we throw all Instructions in the Law of Yahweh in the trash.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

 

[Elin]

But the Gentiles, the majority of the church, had not read the myriad regulations,
nor did they need to do so.

All they needed on a loving disposition was the Holy Spirit and the NT writings.

So should I rip 39+ books out of my Scriptures? Seems odd, why would He bless us with them?

You did in the NT.

If this is the only matter these 39+ books deal with, Gentiles have what they need on that
with the Holy Spirit and the NT.

And you are not replying to:

So His words are Spirit... So then I ask again

Why is it when you read it's;

I know the disposition of loving and unloving (Mt 22:37-39) from the Holy Spirit who writes it on my heart.

I know gospel doctrine from reading the Scriptures in the gift of faith (Php 1:29).

But when I read it's;

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart,
giving one to know what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.

Previously answered. . .more than once.

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart, giving one to know what is loving and unloving without
a myriad of written regulations.

and SO was Paul;

Because he had read it:

But the Gentiles had not, nor do they need to, for it is written on their hearts, and adequately covered in the NT.

 

[Hizikyah]

Well it's kinda hard to have followed the laws without chasing others away by judging them, like for an instance if someone that is suffering from a severe case of Scoliosis, it is written that a man must stand upright, but we tell the one that is suffering from scoliosis, that he is sinning because God had meant mankind to stand upright, not slumped over like and animal and which that is not fulfilling the laws; and so it had to be removed, or else we will all be condemn, because we all have became judges like the pharisees were doing. And so are you able to not tell your best friend to "get behind me satan", because he had told you that he was Gay? And which that isn't being faithful. So the laws were removed so that God doesn't have to tell us all to get behind Him, because we were doing the things that is against what is the rightful thing to do.

SO "standing upright" is not about walking in a righteous manner? But about "meant mankind to stand upright, not slumped over like and animal "Whaaaaaaaat! LOL and im called a "pharisee type" LOL

I want to add; Judgement is give for the Messiah to fulfill, however calling a sin a sin, is not judging a person...

2 Timothy 4:2-3, "Preach the word Be instant; ready to take your positions in season, out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears."

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother (or your sister) frankly, so you will not share in his (or her) guilt."

Luke 17:3-4, "So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him."

Proverbs 10:17, "He who keeps instruction is in the way of life, but he who refuses reproof goes astray."

Proverbs 27:5-6, "Open rebuke is better than concealed love. Faithful are the wounds from a friend, but the kisses from an enemy are deceitful."

Modern teaching says don't rebuke, allow your brother or sister to continue in his sin.... This should not be so...

Yaaqob 5:20, "Let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way, will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."

(The one turned for their error is saved, not the one rebuking...)


1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "20 The soul that sins, it will die. The son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is Lawful and right, then he will surely live; he will not die. And his transgressions that he has committed will not be mentioned against him; in his righteousness that he has done, he will live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says Father Yahweh: No, but rather that he would turn back from his wicked ways, and live. But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does--should he live? All his righteousness that he has done will not be mentioned in his behalf. In his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he will die. Yet you say; The way of Yahweh is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israyl: Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity and dies, it is because of the iniquity he has done, that he will die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is Lawful and right, he will save himself, and live. Because he considered, and turned away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he will surely live; he will not die."

and to guard against any false accusations:

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

 

[Elin]

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Seems like a never ending string of excuses.... JMO.

Falls a little short of demonstration. . .

 

[Hizikyah]

Previously answered. . .more than once.

OK...

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart, giving one to know
what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.

I know the disposition of loving and unloving (Christ's command) from the Holy Spirit who writes it on my heart.

I know gospel doctrine from reading the Scriptures in the gift of faith (Php 1:29).

Got it...

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Seems you do not offer me this same as you offer yourself....

What was in the Spirit about, something written on your heart? The Law?

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

You did in the NT.

If this is the only matter these 39+ books deal with, Gentiles have what they need on that
with the Holy Spirit and the NT.

But the Gentiles had not, nor do they need to, for it is written on their hearts, and adequately covered in the NT.

Hmm, and yet many people say "no Law no Law".... Hmmm.

Romans 2:15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to excuse them."

626 - apologeomai
apologeomai: to give an account of oneself, hence to defend oneself
Original Word: ἀπολογέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apologeomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-og-eh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I give a defense, defend myself
Definition: I give a defense, defend myself (especially in a law court): it can take an object of what is said in defense.

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

2 Thess 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity (secret initiation of lawlessness*) is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Hebrews 10:26-31, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Father."

*What is the "mystery of iniquity" ?

3466 mustérion
mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine
Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary;

458 anomia
anomia: lawlessness
Short Definition:lawlessness, iniquity
Definition:lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

 

[Hizikyah]

Romans 2:15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to excuse them."

626 - apologeomai
apologeomai: to give an account of oneself, hence to defend oneself
Original Word: ἀπολογέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apologeomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-og-eh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I give a defense, defend myself
Definition: I give a defense, defend myself (especially in a law court): it can take an object of what is said in defense.

disclaimer;
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man;

25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.

Romans chapter 2 for context;

Romans 2
English Standard Version

God’s Righteous Judgment

1Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.

6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11For God shows no partiality.

God’s Judgment and the Law

12For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

17But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God 18and know his will and approve what is excellent, because you are instructed from the law; 19and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law. 24For, as it is written, “The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”

25For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. 26So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written coded and circumcision but break the law. 28For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

 

[Elin]

Previously answered. . .more than once.

OK...

You make no allowance for the Holy Spirit writing God's law on the heart,
giving one to know what is loving and unloving without a myriad of written regulations.

I know the disposition of loving and unloving (Mt 22:37-39) from the Holy Spirit who writes it on my heart.

I know gospel doctrine from reading the Scriptures in the gift of faith (Php 1:29).

Got it...

What was in the Spirit about, something written on your heart? The Law?

Yes, the law of love (Mt 22:37-39) which fulfills all the law (Mt 22:40).

Since the law of love is written on the heart by the Holy Spirit, there is no need
for a myriad of written regulations to know what is loving and unloving.
Whatever is needed is in the NT.

2 Thess 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity (secret initiation of lawlessness*) is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

*What is the "mystery of iniquity" ?

3466 mustérion
mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine
Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary;

458 anomia
anomia: lawlessness
Short Definition:lawlessness, iniquity
Definition:lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

Well, in the NT "mystery" means a secret never before revealed.

What is newly revealed is that evil is already at work and will continue until
the restrainer is removed, and
then the lawless one is revealed,
whom Christ will overthrow (consume) with the breath of his mouth and
destroy by the splendor of his coming at the end of time.

 

[Hizikyah]

Falls a little short of demonstration. . .

exacerbation without demonstration is conflagration

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[Hizikyah]

Yes, the law of love (Mt 22:37-39) which fulfills all the law (Mt 22:40).

Since the law of love is written on the heart by the Holy Spirit, there is no need
for a myriad of written regulations to know what is loving and unloving.
Whatever is needed is in the NT.


Well, in the NT "mystery" means a secret never before revealed.

What is newly revealed is that evil is already at work and will continue until
the restrainer is removed, and
then the lawless one is revealed,
whom Christ will overthrow (consume) with the breath of his mouth and
destroy by the splendor of his coming at the end of time.

Yes, the law of love (Mt 22:37-39) which fulfills all the law (Mt 22:40).

Since the law of love is written on the heart by the Holy Spirit, there is no need
for a myriad of written regulations to know what is loving and unloving.
Whatever is needed is in the NT.

So is reading the fist 5 books in the "OT" "wrong" ???

Now im sure we can go ask 1,000,000,000 "in the Spirit" people "what is love" and get a different answer every time, but I say if we ask Yahweh "what is love" a 1,000,000,000 times, we will get the same answer every time....

Please tell me, What "summed up" and "all" mean in these passages?

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deut 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

 

[Hizikyah]

SNow im sure we can go ask 1,000,000,000 "in the Spirit" people "what is love" and get a different answer every time, but I say if we ask Yahweh "what is love" a 1,000,000,000 times, we will get the same answer every time....

Please tell me, What "summed up" and "all" mean in these passages?

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deut 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

I personally think about these passage when I read those:

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

 

[Elin]

disclaimer;
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man;

25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.

Romans chapter 2 for context;

Romans 2
English Standard Version

God’s Righteous Judgment

1Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.

6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11For God shows no partiality.

God’s Judgment and the Law

12For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

17But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God 18and know his will and approve what is excellent, because you are instructed from the law; 19and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law. 24For, as it is written, “The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”

25For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. 26So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written coded and circumcision but break the law. 28For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather,
we establish the Law!"

Yes, in saying a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law,
Paul is not preaching antinomian unrighteousness.

Rather, he is preaching the righteousness of God (Ro 1:17, 3:21, 5:17) which estabisihes the law that was unable to give it, and which is given only as a gift (Ro 5:17) by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Elin]

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Seems like a never ending string of excuses.... JMO.

Falls a little short of demonstration. . .

exacerbation without demonstration is conflagration

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That's better. . .now review my responses to them.

 

[Hizikyah]

Well, in the NT "mystery" means a secret never before revealed.

That verse and definition are from the "NT"

What is newly revealed is that evil is already at work and will continue until the restrainer is removed, and then the lawless one is revealed, whom Christ will overthrow (consume) with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming at the end of time.

But it does not say,

"evil is already at work"

it says

"For the mystery of iniquity is already working"

iniquity is 458 anomia
anomia: lawlessness
Short Definition:lawlessness, iniquity
Definition:lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

2 Thess 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity (secret initiation of lawlessness*) is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

*What is the "mystery of iniquity" ?

mystery 3466 mustérion
mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine
Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary;

iniquity 458 anomia
anomia: lawlessness
Short Definition:lawlessness, iniquity
Definition:lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

 

[Hizikyah]

That's better. . .now review my responses to them.

lol....... Yeah I did and replied, much of the Scripture I posted and questions I ask are ignored or "answered" in a way that does not answer them.

 

[Elin]

So is reading the fist 5 books in the "OT" "wrong" ???

So is reading the writings of Mark and Luke, or of Peter and Paul "wrong"?

Now im sure we can go ask 1,000,000,000 "in the Spirit" people
"what is love" and get a different answer every time, but I say if we ask Yahweh "what is love" a 1,000,000,000 times, we will get the same answer every time....

It's not about mental knowledge of the answer to a question, it's about a disposition of the heart.

Show them examples of human behavior, and they would do a good job of telling you
which is the disposition of loving and which is not.

Please tell me, What "summed up" and "all" mean in these passages?

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deut 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

It means that practicing the law of love will mean necessarily practicing the commandments, for

if I love God, I will not worship other gods, nor take his name in vain, nor fail to worship him.

If I love my parents, I will not dishonor nor neglect them.

If I love my neighbors, I will not kill them, nor steal from them, nor commit adultery with their spouses,
nor bear false witness against them, nor lust after their possessions.

And I don't need written regulations to know this.
I know this from the disposition of love (Mt 22:37-39) written in the heart by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Elin]

Well, in the NT "mystery" means a secret never before revealed.

That verse and definition are from the "NT"

Yes, that is where the word we are talking about is used.

What is newly revealed is that evil is already at work and
will continue until the restrainer is removed, and
then the lawless one is revealed, whom Christ will overthrow (consume) with the breath of his mouth
and destroy by the splendor of his coming at the end of time.

But it does not say, "evil is already at work"

it says "For the mystery of iniquity is already working"

Iniquity means evil.
The "mystery of iniquity" is the mystery of evil.

What is the difference between the two phrases, "already at work" and "already working"?

 

[Elin]

lol....... Yeah I did and replied, much of the Scripture I posted and questions I ask are ignored or "answered" in a way that does not answer them.

That is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes, that is where the word we are talking about is used.

Nice way to ignore.

What is the difference between the two phrases, "already at work" and "already working"?

Semantics...

Iniquity means evil. The "mystery of iniquity" is the mystery of evil.

iniquity is:#G0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Elin]

Well, in the NT "mystery" means a secret never before revealed.

That verse and definition are from the "NT"

Yes, that is where the word we are talking about is used.

Nice way to ignore.

I'm not following you here. . .what do you mean?

iniquity is:#G0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

The word anomia means "without law," or lawless.

Iniquity is lawlessness.

Lawlessness is evil.

Iniquity is evil.

Lawlessness = evil = iniquity.

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Angela53510]

I missed a couple of pages, so forgive me if these verses were already mentioned.

Hebrews is most instructive where the law is concerned. Plus, in order to live by the law, you need to have a priesthood on earth to mediate, rather than our high priest, Jesus Christ.

"For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well." Hebrews 7:12

"For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever." Hebrews 7:28

So something comes after the law. The law is the first or old covenant, which is now obsolete, fulfilled and abolished, because of Jesus death and resurrection.

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people." Hebrews 8:10

These new "laws" are the NEW Covenant!

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13

So it is not just the law that is fulfilled or abolished, but the entire Old Covenant that is obsolete!