Gen 1.14 question, any input will be appreciated

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Gen 1.14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night.

what does God mean by let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens, does he mean the stars that's what I'm thinking it means but correct me if im wrong or please let me know what you think it means, thanks for reading
 
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Yes, sun, moon, and stars.
 
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So god said use the stars as signs isn't that zodiac stuff and astrology astroanomy that all Christians say stay away from and its all not true about star signs and the zodiac, Bible study's are good arnt they, it's crazy how the truths there but people look and don't see, like Jesus says people will look with there eyes and not see and with there ears not ear and with there heart not get the sence of it, it's like one of them hologram pictures you cant see until you look really really closly then it's clearly there hahah, God says he's people are dying with lack of knowledge and he's spot on, kaycie you sound like you no what your talking about I will inbox you now.
 
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No, this does not mean horoscopes- which God tells us not to listen to...

Isaiah 47:13-15 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. These are not coals for warmth; this is not a fire to sit by. That is all they are to you-- these you have dealt with and labored with since childhood. All of them go on in their error; there is not one that can save you!
 
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There is a rhythm of the heavens, and it displays the wonders of God's majesty, and His power and wisdom in Creation.

He set their courses, and maintains them. They tell us the time of year and time of month, and regulate the feast days.

Does this wonder extend to Zodiac interpretations and astrology? No.
Those are man-made guesses, and are proven incorrect daily.
God does not reveal His future plans to mankind by telling them to study stars, but by giving them His Word.

I know you like astrology,
and also see that you don't understand much about astrology, which is likely much of the mystic attraction you have to it.
Reading astrology books and pamphlets is putting faith in the understanding of mankind, rather than in God Himself.

Why sift through a stream of poison to find a drink of water,
when you can go to the pure spring.
Why sift through pages of articles of men telling you what they think the stars are telling us,
when God Himself came to earth to say it plainly and clearly.
 
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Why would I want to turn to the creation to guide me, if the Creator Himself says He'll guide me?
 
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So god said use the stars as signs isn't that zodiac stuff and astrology astroanomy that all Christians say stay away from
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No. That means the stars can be used to determine dates, seasons, and navigational directions - it is "signs" in the practical sense, not the mystical. It has nothing to do with fortune-telling.

Since no one knows the future, who can tell someone else what is to come? (Ecc. 8:7)
 
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Gen 1.14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night.
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While it is quite possible your translation of the Bible might use the term 'heavens', I think it was probably just a typo, however in either case mine uses the term 'heaven'. Yet to answer your question, my opinion is that Genesis 1 is written to communicate the principles by which universe was formed and not meant to be all absolute statement of facts involved in the formation of the expanse of space and the celestial bodies of the known and observed universe.

In such, Genesis 1:14 begins to define the 'principle' of Day 4, which continues as written:

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

This scripture does not suggest nor represent that any celestial bodies in the expanse where made, including the moon which is evident in Genesis 1:16 wherein it is written:

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

The earth, which according to Genesis 1:2 aboded in the darkness was covered under a body of frozen water that completely submerged the earth's surface that was void of form, much the way the surface of the moon might appear. Now in Genesis 1:3-5 the two great lights are defined.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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While the Sun pulses of light, the electromagnetic energy produced by the Sun not only provided heat to begin melting the frozen surface of the earth, it also begin to cause the earth to rotate. However, the rotation of the earth was not instantaneous but progressive.

As the frozen waters upon the surface of the earth begin to melt, in addition to the large glaciers of ice in the thawing waters which also permeate the earth's core, being shifting by the forces being exerted upon the earth as it began to rotate. The forces that resulted gave the surface of the earth it's form.

Then in Genesis 1:6, as the rotation of the earth begin increase in speed, the gravitation pull and melting of the waters upon the surface allowed the gases trapped with the frozen waters to be escaping and forming the atmosphere as written.

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.


As the waters, or atmosphere, begin rising, the dry land called Earth begin appearing. The waters that had once flooded the surface of the earth continued to rise from the surface of the earth wherein one will find in Genesis 1:9-10 it is written:


9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


While on Day three the dry ground began bringing forth vegation, vegation being rooted is not dependent up the gravity to hold it down. So therefore, on Day 4, the principle established is that the orbit of the earth in the solar system had sufficiently obtain the rotation to produce the two great lights upon the earth's surface. As Jesus taught in John 11:9, are there not 12 hours in the day, which is to say that without the earth rotating, 1/2 of the earth surface is exposed to the visible light, while the other half is exposed is not.

So I would suggest that the principle of Day 4 was that rotation of the earth that resulted in two great lights upon the earth, being Day and Night upon the all the earth. At which point, the earth rotation was sufficent to begin forming the living creature the within Seas, as written of Day 5. And thus all the creatures upon the surface of the Earth, as written in Day 6.

While that is basically the Gospel I heard, but being deaf in one ear and hard of hearing in the other, you should probably take it for what is worth, just my opinion. But a good read is John 14:26; 1 John 2:27




 
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So god said use the stars as signs isn't that zodiac stuff and astrology astroanomy that all Christians say stay away from and its all not true about star signs and the zodiac, Bible study's are good arnt they, it's crazy how the truths there but people look and don't see, like Jesus says people will look with there eyes and not see and with there ears not ear and with there heart not get the sence of it, it's like one of them hologram pictures you cant see until you look really really closly then it's clearly there hahah, God says he's people are dying with lack of knowledge and he's spot on, kaycie you sound like you no what your talking about I will inbox you now.
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No, not for the Zodiac, astrology is an abomination...

Lev 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

Zep 1:4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;
Zep 1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;

Deu 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Deu 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;


OK, I think we see God's thoughts on astrology here, so what are the sun, moon and stars for? The NIV is helpful here...

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And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

Psa 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons; The sun knows its going down.

Let's look at the moon for a moment...

1Sa 20:5 And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

1Sa 20:18 Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the new moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.

1Sa 20:24 So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.

2Ki 4:23 And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? it is neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, It shall be well.

The New Moon determines the beginning of months and although the New Moon is not listed in Lev 23 as one of the Feasts of the Eternal, Israel observed it. On the first day of each month, the New Moon, they dedicated the month to God.

The Sacred Calendar is derived from the moon. The first day of the month is called the molad. The Feast Days are counted from this day. The entire Calendar is derived from the Molad Tishri, the New Moon of the seventh month. That is also a very special Feast Day...

Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

This Feast day is a shadow of a very special event. Know any other places in the Bible that trumpets are blown?

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Christ returns. Something else happens...

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The resurrection occurs on the Feast of Trumpets at the return of Christ...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

The early N.T. church observed the New Moons...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The sun, moon and stars were given to determine when God's sacred Feast Days occur, not to be used in astrology.
 
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Why would I want to turn to the creation to guide me, if the Creator Himself says He'll guide me?
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Well, God actually says to...

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

See post #9
 
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No, this does not mean horoscopes- which God tells us not to listen to...

Isaiah 47:13-15 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. These are not coals for warmth; this is not a fire to sit by. That is all they are to you-- these you have dealt with and labored with since childhood. All of them go on in their error; there is not one that can save you!
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let them save you from what is coming upon you??
 
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Isaiah 47:13-15 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up

so in Isaiah it says let them save you from what is coming upon you, then it says the fire will burn them up, bit confusing in it as gods saying let them save you from what is coming then he's after burning them?? Anyways not here for arguing but seems to be the christians that get on there high horse as usual, proper christians don't get mad and offence if asked questions
 
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Dean said:
Isaiah 47:13-15 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up

so in Isaiah it says let them save you from what is coming upon you, then it says the fire will burn them up, bit confusing in it as gods saying let them save you from what is coming then he's after burning them?? Anyways not here for arguing but seems to be the christians that get on there high horse as usual, proper christians don't get mad and offence if asked questions
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No, God is taunting them. He says "let them save you" in a sarcastic manner.
 
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re post 13.....
so no one's right and your english is poor. "let them save you" is hysterical comedy- Yahweh LAUGHS at the plans of the wicked - Yahweh KNOWS they cannot save anyone, and tells them mocking them - let THEM save you if they can (they can never), from the torture, punishment and death that I YAHWEH THE CREATOR HAVE DECREED.

so those who trust in any other god, or any other 'non-god', is cursed, dies, is punished, is tortured, is tormented,
and they who trust in any other god , or any other 'non-god' , are forever doomed , going to be resurrected for destruction.

period.
 
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I will answer this and post three at the same time.....first to your question...yes it is the stars that is being talked about that are the lights in the expanse of heaven...and to your post three....

I suggest the book of Job 38:31-33

Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Biblical astronomy is biblical...it is the corrupted signs of astrology that is false and contrary.....the Mazzaroth listed above is the 12 signs of the (ZODIAC) so called and tells the complete story in picture concerning the fall of humanity, the virgin bearing forth and the destruction of the serpent by the LION.....and unfortunately has been corrupted by the pagans of old.........
 
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So what my grammar is poor but i can read totally fine, I'm English and speak my own country's language which is english and why start slating me about my grammer?. typically Christian for you is the answer to that.
Virgin bearing and the lion, are you talking about star sign Leo the lion and Virgin being Virgo the Virgin, christmas used to be in spring when the sun was springing back to life from the winter solstice, so Christmas was in spring in the consolation of Virgo that's why gods son was born of a Virgin, virgin meaning Virgo, please don't get mad at what I'm saying just because you might not agree, best thing to do is go see a man called a priest and ask him, as the bible says in man there is no salvation.
 
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so is this thread so promote heresy then ? (i.e. 'see a heretic' (priest) ) .... or do you actually have a question ..... ?
 
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They used astro " a star" to find where Jesus was being born.

Cathedrals 7: Lausanne rose window - photo-analysis | France zone at abelard.org

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Astrologers can't even agree on what age we are in, and have differing opinions on the starting point of Aquarius, varying nearly 3000 years. They boast of having understanding, but have nothing.
They have absolutely no reference point for the attributes of each constellation, other than what people have ATTRIBUTED to them. It is all man-made thoughts.

Is there some Truth in it? Yes, but none that isn't displayed more clearly in the Word.

People get frustrated with you because you had a question and did not listen to the answers, and you projected your preconceived belief into what the second poster said. She was not agreeing with your conclusion.
 
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