Textual conditions vs The sensible horizon
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you need god as a third,even you agreed, yet god has many gifts, not just reading,what is wrote. but if you cant read what is wrote. how can you define, if you need an other gift to understand, what the bible writer wrote. a vision, a dream, prophetic written words. etc
so oral or communication is lost. with out an other source to understand what is wrote.
so oral or communication is lost. with out an other source to understand what is wrote.
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You are not getting the point. Yes, the Lamb did not speak but the vision of the lamb takes place in the mind of John as a string of word. His mind attatches language to the symbols - this is a lamb - this lamb is standing - this lamb has been slain. John continues this representation of these symbols in the following linguistic form, "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain."
it is still prophetic written.
Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more.6 He said to them, "Hear this dream that I have dreamed:7 Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright. And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and bowed down to my sheaf Genesis 37
for example.
how many sheaves of wheat have you saw bowing to each other.
Now Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers they hated him even more.6 He said to them, "Hear this dream that I have dreamed:7 Behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright. And behold, your sheaves gathered around it and bowed down to my sheaf Genesis 37
for example.
how many sheaves of wheat have you saw bowing to each other.
Yes. The triadic structure (of which communication is a part) must be there or there is not triadic structure.
Yes, it is the ability to either read or listen that allows the information to be linked to the mind of that person. This is why Paul says "faith comes by hearing the word of God." Faith is the result of the mind of God being transferred to the mind of man in some type of linguistic form.
Yes, it is the ability to either read or listen that allows the information to be linked to the mind of that person. This is why Paul says "faith comes by hearing the word of God." Faith is the result of the mind of God being transferred to the mind of man in some type of linguistic form.
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Now come on brother...lets have a honest discussion...the lamb was a symbolic type, well before the written Word was established through Moses...in fact there was many symbolic types in the Temple and elsewhere that was not explained in the written record but was faith pictures. Symbolism is such a large part of Gods way of speaking that the Lord almost always spoke in parabolic terms.
It is true that the unsaved man cannot perceive the perspective of the saved man, untill the unsaved man is ready to agree with God to admit they have sinned agasint God and deserve to burn in Hell.
It is not true that each man's perspective is his reality. A man's perspective can have little or nothing to do with reality. A lost person who thinks they have the right to exist outside of Hell simply because they are not in Hell now is completely out of touch with reality, and their perspective creates for themselves a false reality in which they are deceived while they are on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell, with one foot on top of the ice and the other foot already poking through and going down.
Reality is what God made it to be, and He clearly conveyed what it is in His Word. His Word is the guide to reality, our perspective is not the guide to His Word or to reality. Many people think the Holy Spirit leads them into all truth so they don't need to worry to much about what the Word of God says because they interpret it as they go along according to their own perspective claiming it's the Holy Spirit leading them into truth when they have no objective standard for discerning truth. That standard is supposed to be the written Word of God, not each person's personal perspective.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? I know the Lamb was a symbolic type. What I am trying to get you to see is the simple fact that the vision of the Lamb was recorded as a batch of words that we call the book of Revelation. Revealed information was given linguistic form in order to accommodate the limitations of the human mind. This is true of the entire text of scripture.