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Since you seem to care, and I don't, I've leave you with this site to read.

BTW, I believe it was as much as 12 times the people you stated.... about 2- 3 million.

Logistics of the Exodus
​I'm not done reading, but you've made me very happy. Thank you! :D
 
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It is more probable that the estimation of people who left Egypt was as many as 3,000,000 Israelites plus all of the enslaved foreigners of untold number that left with them. This does not include the herds and flocks of animals that they took with them in the Exodus.
I'm having problems dealing with just the men's numbers. I can't imagine how many animals past thinking the animals alone would trample all on NJ in one single pass. :eek:
 
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First it's the King James and the unattainable what manuscripts had the mojo, now we're moving on to the demographics of sheep and goats of the Exodus? Momma told me not to come.
It beats talking about jackasses. (I'm assuming the animal variety.)
 
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LOL... Yea, and I didn't even mention the families who made up the servants of Jacob's household who also came to Egypt with him, Genesis 30:43. Verse 43 says that he had many servants which were accounted as measure of his wealth. After 430 years in Egypt, these families too would have grown and multiplied as well. These would comprise the foreigner, the sojourner or the stranger class "who dwells among you," 43-49.
Oooooh! That makes more sense than what I was picturing. I thought they were lower caste Egyptians hoping to go to a new land, but then, why wouldn't they be slaves to Egyptians too, so can't leave?

Jacob had some good people helping him out along the way, and, yeah, they were something like family.

Thank you. This is fitting together better for me.
 
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42 is the answer. :p
 

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here's ~ 3 million people on Copacabana beach in Rio for world youth day in 2013, for a mass hosted by the pope.

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i read that the crowd is about 2 miles long.

for perspective :)
I can't imagine them finding an area every time that would act like an amphitheater. I know they didn't have electricity, amplifiers or speakers. Something is missing.
 
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1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,

In this excerpt from my commentary hyperlinks became disabled in the paste.

This is Zif / Iyar of the second year or 25 months after leaving Egypt. If Mt. Sinai is in the traditional location in the southern Sinai Peninsula, then they have traveled about 150 miles from Goshen; an average of 6 miles per month or 182 feet per day. If Mt. Sinai is in Arabia as recent archeological evidence suggests and as we are told in Ga 1:17, and 4:24-25; then they have traveled about 250 miles averaging about 10 miles / month or about 2 city blocks per day. This means that they must have spent a great deal of time encamped in one place.

Nu 1:45-46 tells us that there were 603,550 men above 20 years old and able to go to war. Though they are not mentioned, there must have been a large number of men too old to fight.

Even if those males under twenty or too old to fight were only 30% of the male population, there would be at least 862,000 men exclusive of the tribe of Levy. Even if the tribe of Levy were a very small tribe, the smallest tribe, other than Levi were 32,000; so Levi probably numbered at least 20,000 men of fighting age and 28,000 total males. That would mean that the male descendants of Israel numbered at least 890,000.

Numbers 4:3 tells us that men over 50 were too old to fight. Since men at that time probably lived to more than 100 years old (See note at Ex 1:7), this is a very conservative estimate. Since we know from Ex 1:22 that for a period of time the male babies were killed, it is almost certain that the females outnumbered the males. That means that there were more than 1.8 million descendants of Israel camped at Sinai. Exodus 12:38 tells us that a “mixed multitude” of non-Israelite people were with them. So there were over 2 million people camped at Sinai. (This is a very conservative estimate. There were more likely over 2.5 million people)


Ex 24:18 tells us that Moses was on the mountain for 40 days before the golden calf; and Ex 34:28 tells us that Moses was on the mountain for 40 days after the golden calf.

In addition, the Tabernacle was constructed after Moses came down the second time. So more than 2 million people camped at Sinai at least 3 months.

To put the problems of having that many people in one place over an extended time in perspective: two million people could be expected to pass enough solid waste each day to fill 5 football stadiums 45 feet deep; and enough urine in a month to cover 1 square mile to a depth of 35 inches; and this does not count the animals’ contribution to the mess.

Exodus 12:38 also tells us that there were flocks and herds and very much cattle with them.

Obviously, they exceeded the carrying capacity of the land for both food and sanitation. God had to provide food and sanitation for all those people and animals; for He was certainly able to do so. People left to their own resources would have been a logistical nightmare and quite impossible.

Effluent estimates are based on Philadelphia Dept of Sanitation estimates of effluent processing. Philadelphia has somewhat less than 2 million people.
(See note at Ex 1:7.) {Return to: Ex 12:2 }
I can tell, you're Dead Guys aren't my Dead Guys? Whose commentary(ies) are you using? Not Gill, right? I think I need your Dead Guys to help me too.

One question and one comment:
1. Wasn't Joshua 50ish the first time the Israelites fought in the wilderness? (The first time Moses had to keep his staff above his head to help them win, couldn't do it long enough, so Aaron and other elders helped them. Wouldn't this be easier if I just knew where that part is to give you the verses? lol) And, yeah, 50 is 50, but Joshua was still fighting 40 years later.

2. I'm in Philly. Our numbers took a nose dive (before I moved here a couple of decades ago.) Last I saw, there are only 1.1 million of us. Last crowd that made me nervous just by sheer volume was our World Series victory parade in 2008. I think those numbers were 120,000 too, but you can see where I can be seriously off on that number. lol
 
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here's ~ 3 million people on Copacabana beach in Rio for world youth day in 2013, for a mass hosted by the pope.

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in a way that scene is frightening, especially when envisioning slave boats
loading up the masses for servitude in the 'new-world-order' that is coming.

those in bondage will put others into bondage that the reflection of their
fruits may be made manifest - 'Nazi Germany, revisited'.
 
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It is more probable that the estimation of people who left Egypt was as many as 3,000,000 Israelites plus all of the enslaved foreigners of untold number that left with them. This does not include the herds and flocks of animals that they took with them in the Exodus.
The conclusion on this numbers is that they exaggerated, or just invented the story. this is a funny culture were the slaves have slaves.
3 million people is the population of a large city, this is just not reasonable.
 
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in a way that scene is frightening, especially when envisioning slave boats
loading up the masses for servitude in the 'new-world-order' that is coming.

those in bondage will put others into bondage that the reflection of their
fruits may be made manifest - 'Nazi Germany, revisited'.
Nazi action pale in comparison of Israelites of old testament.
 
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'for perspective'? .... that many lost souls all at once in one place actively serving demons, worshiping demons, practicing idolatry OPENLY.....

yet yahweh provides sunshine and rain for the righteous and for the unrighteous,

so they have no excuse for not turning to him - they cannot make any claim against him.





i read that the crowd is about 2 miles long.

for perspective :)
 
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The conclusion on this numbers is that they exaggerated, or just invented the story. this is a funny culture were the slaves have slaves.3 million people is the population of a large city, this is just not reasonable.
That's the silliest statement I have ever heard. Even America had thousands and thousands of slave families, kids, dogs, and all. Of course some slaves worked for other slaves.
 
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nw2u

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That's the silliest statement I have ever heard. Even America had thousands and thousands of slave families, kids, dogs, and all. Of course some slaves worked for other slaves.
Did they get paid or were they forced to work for their overseers? As far as I know, the bible says nothing about slavery being wrong and the Israelites, who were slaves to the Egyptians, had some who were slaves. It was likely those of a different culture to their own, numbered in one of the posts above. I believe the bible only talks about the treatment of slaves, not of it's sinful or righteous nature.

My belief is, it's wrong for any and all nations people, cultures, etc.
 
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in a way that scene is frightening, especially when envisioning slave boats
loading up the masses for servitude in the 'new-world-order' that is coming.

those in bondage will put others into bondage that the reflection of their
fruits may be made manifest - 'Nazi Germany, revisited'.
That is frightening. It would make a good dystopian novel for the NWO crowd.
 
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The conclusion on this numbers is that they exaggerated, or just invented the story. this is a funny culture were the slaves have slaves.
3 million people is the population of a large city, this is just not reasonable.
Yeah, that's just silly. That would be like New Orleans evacuating just because some silly hurricane destroyed the levees for Lake Pontchartrain. Who'd buy any of it ever really happening? ;)
 
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On foot and they could only move 60 feet a day?