Math question

[nw2u]

And, yet, is it not interesting that Jesus didn't campaign against the custom?

Well, to tell the truth, I thought I read that he campaigned for fair and reasonable treatment, which really is His area. The laws that allow it to happen are made by man. As with the tax, (sorry for not being exact) give to Caesar what is his, he wasn't here for those laws. He was here to save souls, teach His way of treating others and so forth.

Many cultures had slaves, not just the U.S.

Still, I, personally am against slavery in any form and in any culture.

 

[MarcR]

2. I'm in Philly. Our numbers took a nose dive (before I moved here a couple of decades ago.) Last I saw, there are only 1.1 million of us. Last crowd that made me nervous just by sheer volume was our World Series victory parade in 2008. I think those numbers were 120,000 too, but you can see where I can be seriously off on that number. lol[/QUOTE]




I wrote that section of my commentary about twelve years ago. the figures from the Philadelphia DOS were given in millions of gallons and cubic yards. The report was about 5 years old at the time I found it online. My presentation of the numbers was extrapolated by simple arithmetic. I got the dimensions of Candlestick park in San Francisco; calculated the volume, and got my results by simple division. I thought it would lend perspective.



I use Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown; and Barnes notes the most; but I have access to 35 others including Gill.

I also use McClintock & Strong Encyclopedia; and International Standard Bible Encyclopedia extensively.

More often than not I rely on my own exegesis.

 

[MarcR]

I can tell, you're Dead Guys aren't my Dead Guys? Whose commentary(ies) are you using? Not Gill, right? I think I need your Dead Guys to help me too.

This was an excerpt from my own commentary. As far as I can tell; I still very much alive.


For any who might find this interesting or helpful:


Here is a link to my commentary feel free to share it.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/ha13jsx805…/Commentary2xmB%20.pdf

One question and one comment:
1. Wasn't Joshua 50ish the first time the Israelites fought in the wilderness? (The first time Moses had to keep his staff above his head to help them win, couldn't do it long enough, so Aaron and other elders helped them. Wouldn't this be easier if I just knew where that part is to give you the verses? lol) And, yeah, 50 is 50, but Joshua was still fighting 40 years later.


Neither Joshua nor Caleb lost their vigor during their 40 years in the wilderness.

They were not punished for the sins of their contemporaries!

 

[atwhatcost]

this thread needs more math.

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sin + sin = more sin

sin + the blood of Jesus = no sin
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∮man·∂(sin) = death

∮man·∂(†) = life


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∀x, x ∈ Christ → x ∈ life
⇒ life ⊆ Christ


∀y, y ∈ life → y ∈ Christ
⇒ Christ ⊆ life


∴ Christ = life
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y'all please double-check my calculations?

You lose me the second there is something else in a math equation besides numbers and typical symbols. (+, -, *, /, and =) X is not a typical symbol. I can do bookkeeping. I can't do algebra. That was bigger than algebra. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

they moved when the cloud/fire pillar moved. otherwise they camped. right?

They also stayed put for a while in singular locations. Moses went up into the mountain for 40 days, and the Israelites waited, (not patiently.) He came down, dealt with the mess, went back up, came back down, somewhere along the line he got instructions of how to build the tabernacle, and then everyone got busy on that. I'm still reading some of the law he brought back down, but I haven't seen them move on for about a book now. Surprisingly, (at least to me), they didn't walk every day.

 

[atwhatcost]

As far as sacrifice was concerned the busiest day of the year was Passover. Multi-thousands of lambs were sacrificed all in one day. On these special festival days all of the priests served in the temple at the same time. Normally there were only 24 on duty at a time and they served for 8 days twice a year. There were 24 courses of Priests of 24 each. This was a minimum of 576 plus reserves. The Passover lamb was slaughtered at the top of the stairs of the temple at the Nicanor gate. The worshiper himself had to cut the throat of the lamb and the blood caught in a basin. This was then splashed on the side of the alter. The priests operated “bucket brigade” style and stayed with it until the job was done. This happened on Nissan 13th at the end of the day.

The Passover was always celebrated on the 14th of Nissan. The day began at about 7:00 PM. Also the standard Tamid evening sacrifice was held normally at 2:30PM each day. (There were two a day morning and evening) But on Passover the evening sacrifice was moved back from 2:30PM to 1:30 PM to allow extra time. There was a minimum of 10 people required for Passover minimum. So divide the number of people by at leat ten or more to determine how many lambs were slaughtered. So if you had a Passover population of 600,000 people in the city there would need to be no more than 60,000 lambs slaughtered. But it was probably way less than this as this is a theoretical maximum number.

And I thought the bigger day would be the Day of Atonement. Logistically, the 600,000+ were just the men, so how do you get roughly 60,000 yearlings? (I miss the days when cattle meant sheep, goats, or cows. lol) I figure 10 people include women and children. And, since the priest were supposed to eat the rump, how in the world did that few eat that much?

This is where my legalistic mind goes nuts(ier.) I think I like that they weren't such literalist back then. Then again, it's a very specific law God handed down.

 

[atwhatcost]

I think it was because they liked to walk. God wanted them to stay healthy and in tip top shape so He had them walk long distances to the temple to offer Sacrifices. They probably didn't consider it a sacrifice, even for the aged or the youngsters cause they were doing what God told them to do and, therefore, were happy to do it. And when they obeyed the Lord, God gave them the extra strength they needed.

[SUP]15[/SUP]Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD. Amen?

My numbers were off. More than 600,000 men, not counting women and children. And that's just when they were in the wilderness. That makes them a bigger group than my city -- Philadelphia. Here, the middle class is squished into rowhomes. (50 houses on two sides of the street on just one block.) We rowhomed people probably take about as much space as one of their tents. My property is 17 feet wide (including the bricks between homes) by roughly 50 feet long, including my backyard. This doesn't include the apartment dwellers and businesses. Many of our apartment dwellers live on second floors, third floors, 15th floors, 25th floors. Our city is something like 15 miles long by seven miles wide. The tabernacle, in the wilderness was outside of camp. That means, if they could even squish together as well as we have (which is possible, since we have commercial buildings, industrial buildings and parks, so maybe all those apartment dwellers could fit if it was rowhome size), someone is walking between 7 and 15 miles to get to the morning sacrifice. I'm fairly certain they were allowed to sleep at night.

Today Israel is slightly bigger than the state of Massachusetts. Then it was bigger. I don't care how much someone enjoys walking, walking clear across Massachusetts isn't a nice casual hike. If God made me ecstatic, I still cannot walk clear across Massachusetts. I can't even walk across Philly, and, at least Philly is fairly flat. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

They wandered around in the desert for 40 years even though it would have taken them less than a year to go all the way there from Egypt, because they disobeyed God and murmured at His ability to fight for them and they were afraid of the giants who inhabited the land that God told them to go in and conquer. What's the moral of the Story? When you obey the Lord He gives you the strength to carry on and He fights for you even if the monsters you are fighting against are bigger and stronger than you. (Whether they be physical monsters or spiritual monsters)

He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
[SUP]30[/SUP] Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
[SUP]31[/SUP] But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Jacob found out Joseph was alive, when his sons crossed that same area for food during the famine. Ten of those sons came back home, to pick up Dad and youngest son. Then the whole family went back. I get the feeling it wasn't even a year's walk even with cattle, kids, and one very old man traveling.

I also get the feeling the 40 year hitch wasn't completely a punishment. Most of it wasn't. 400 years of slavery leaves its mark. Those people were stuck thinking their masters had a clue when it came to who their gods were and what their lifestyle was supposed to be. (Long-term Stockholm Syndrome.) God had to wash that stuff away as much as possible. Same deal we're getting now, "I will make you my people, by getting you outside of the mindset that made you slaves of sin." (I'd also like to think my 40 years in the wilderness isn't a punishment either. )

 

[atwhatcost]

I know I'm going to get this math question wrong but I'm gonna go with, what is 3 Alex...

LOL You'd play Jeopardy well in our house. We usually win. Of course, we usually win because we don't have to form it in a question, don't have to use a buzzer, and get as many guesses as we can come up with, before the contestant answers. Between the two of us, we can usually get state questions right. After all, between the two of us, we can rattle off as many of the 50 states we can think of, so, by the time the contestant answers, we've covered between half to two thirds of all states. If we have some clue as to which part of the country its in, we can skip states not in that part of the country.

So, 3, plus, 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, etc. ought to cover the correct answer in time. LOL

 

[Miri]

Atwhatcost, great subject . Love your waaaaaaaay over there contribution.

just a couple of thoughts:

1) With all those sacrifices going on and the highly visual reminder of sin, I wonder if they got to a point that they were so fed
up that they thought "we had better stop sinning now", especially those people who were waaaaaaaay over there and had the furthest to walk. Plus just think, everyone would know you had sinned as you walked to the tabanacle with sacrifice in hand. Talk about a walk of shame. But there again there was probably a march of shame every day with 100's is not 1000's heading towards the tabanacle.

2) I wonder if all the Priests were a bit podgy, didn't they take a portion of the sacrifices for their own consumption. There is nothing worse then being full then someone turning up with more food, especially from waaaaay over there.

 

[atwhatcost]

And, yet, is it not interesting that Jesus didn't campaign against the custom?

Campaign against? I wish we had the law's version of slavery today. It would have solved two distinctly different problems in my family alone.

Part of the law says if a family member needs help (financially), then they were to become the slaves (indentured servants for six years, or until the year of jubilee, whichever came first) to richer relatives. The richer relative fed them, clothed them and housed them, while they helped the family. However they helped the family, they'd get 10% of the income. They could either save this up or spend it. At the end of the six years, they were free to go or to stay. If they stayed, they got a hole punched into their ear, branding them a permanent slave.

Had that worked like that in my family, hubby and I would be living with Dad. We both became disabled, and it was either Dad or oldest brother for richer relative. (Oldest brother has a new family, so better to live with Dad.) Now, Dad has dementia. Had he taken us in, (and we offered, even after our financial crisis ended, but he refused), he'd be better equipped to live in his home longer, keeping him away from Stage 3 longer.

Instead of any of that happening, we are the government's problem. Sure, we both contributed the 15% to Social Security all those years we worked, but I'm sure we bypassed that money, the government never invested the money, so now we are burdens instead of helpful.

Worse yet, Dad is a threat on society. (He's still alone in his home.)

That Biblical slavery was good stuff! It sure beats any other system I've ever heard of.

 

[atwhatcost]

Your math is a little off..there were 600,000 men over the age of 20........!

So I've since heard. lol

More mind boggling, isn't it?

 

[atwhatcost]

Well, to tell the truth, I thought I read that he campaigned for fair and reasonable treatment, which really is His area. The laws that allow it to happen are made by man. As with the tax, (sorry for not being exact) give to Caesar what is his, he wasn't here for those laws. He was here to save souls, teach His way of treating others and so forth.

Many cultures had slaves, not just the U.S.

Still, I, personally am against slavery in any form and in any culture.

​Actually, slavery is part of God's law. What we're doing now and did earlier in our culture wasn't even related to Biblical slavery though.

 

[atwhatcost]

2. I'm in Philly. Our numbers took a nose dive (before I moved here a couple of decades ago.) Last I saw, there are only 1.1 million of us. Last crowd that made me nervous just by sheer volume was our World Series victory parade in 2008. I think those numbers were 120,000 too, but you can see where I can be seriously off on that number. lol

I wrote that section of my commentary about twelve years ago. the figures from the Philadelphia DOS were given in millions of gallons and cubic yards. The report was about 5 years old at the time I found it online. My presentation of the numbers was extrapolated by simple arithmetic. I got the dimensions of Candlestick park in San Francisco; calculated the volume, and got my results by simple division. I thought it would lend perspective.



I use Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown; and Barnes notes the most; but I have access to 35 others including Gill.

I also use McClintock & Strong Encyclopedia; and International Standard Bible Encyclopedia extensively.

More often than not I rely on my own exegesis.[/QUOTE]
Ah, JFB and Barnes are some of my Dead Guys. I'l have to check out McClintock & Strong. (Same Strong as the Concordance fame?)

I don't have a single Encyclopedia in my arsenal! What is wrong with me? Doh! (Rhetorical question. lol)

 

[MarcR]

I wrote that section of my commentary about twelve years ago. the figures from the Philadelphia DOS were given in millions of gallons and cubic yards. The report was about 5 years old at the time I found it online. My presentation of the numbers was extrapolated by simple arithmetic. I got the dimensions of Candlestick park in San Francisco; calculated the volume, and got my results by simple division. I thought it would lend perspective.



I use Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown; and Barnes notes the most; but I have access to 35 others including Gill.

I also use McClintock & Strong Encyclopedia; and International Standard Bible Encyclopedia extensively.

More often than not I rely on my own exegesis.

Ah, JFB and Barnes are some of my Dead Guys. I'l have to check out McClintock & Strong. (Same Strong as the Concordance fame?)

I don't have a single Encyclopedia in my arsenal! What is wrong with me? Doh! (Rhetorical question. lol)[/QUOTE]

Same Strong indeed.

 

[atwhatcost]

Atwhatcost, great subject . Love your waaaaaaaay over there contribution.

just a couple of thoughts:

1) With all those sacrifices going on and the highly visual reminder of sin, I wonder if they got to a point that they were so fed
up that they thought "we had better stop sinning now", especially those people who were waaaaaaaay over there and had the furthest to walk. Plus just think, everyone would know you had sinned as you walked to the tabanacle with sacrifice in hand. Talk about a walk of shame. But there again there was probably a march of shame every day with 100's is not 1000's heading towards the tabanacle.

2) I wonder if all the Priests were a bit podgy, didn't they take a portion of the sacrifices for their own consumption. There is nothing worse then being full then someone turning up with more food, especially from waaaaay over there.

1. Good point. If I had to walk three miles every time I sinned, I bet I would sin less often, if for no other reason than I can think of better ways to spend my time than walk three miles and then back again. (Which is also sin, so there goes another 6 mile hike. lol)

2. I thought the same thing about priest, but they really got their exercise. First, they had to clean up, then they had to put on different clothes, then they had to control the animal while praying, then they had to slaughter it, which includes pulling it up high enough to bleed it out, then they had to cut it up, which is no easy task, and then they had to haul the parts up to the proper fires. Someone had to take the remains out of camp to burn them too.

And then there is their diet. They're dieting on the juicy part of the lamb. That variety of sheep get tails so big, when they're older, the shepherd has to build a cart for under the tail, or the sheep is back heavy and can't even stand up. We're talking 15-20 pounds worth of meat on tail alone. (Good thing goats and steer were slaughtered too. lol)

But the other thing they had to eat a lot of was bread -- good bread, with not much oil, and the oil used, if it's there is first-press olive oil. (The best of the best.) No chemical ingredience we use today, and no yeast. In the wilderness, with that many people, I doubt veggies were plentiful. Sure, there is the equivalent of middle eastern dandelions, but think of the amount of people and animals that needed to graze, and veggies just had to be a rarity. (Except, maybe manna was a veggie that acted like cereal.) No sugar, little to no salt (probably trading done with the locals, but when you pay a whole goat for some salt, you're going to make that salt last.) It was a fairly healthy diet with a lot of exercise. I didn't even get back to the part where they had to change their clothes again after the sacrifice, but I know the families ate with them most of the time.

I picture them with about the same proportions of a butcher shop butcher. Possibly stronger, since we have come-alongs now to heft up the carcass.

Still, they were supposed to eat some of all that was scarified.

 

[atwhatcost]

Ah, JFB and Barnes are some of my Dead Guys. I'l have to check out McClintock & Strong. (Same Strong as the Concordance fame?)

I don't have a single Encyclopedia in my arsenal! What is wrong with me? Doh! (Rhetorical question. lol)

Same Strong indeed.[/QUOTE]
And I think I'm doing good by studying half an hour a day. Yeesh!

 

[Jeff_56]

And I thought the bigger day would be the Day of Atonement. Logistically, the 600,000+ were just the men, so how do you get roughly 60,000 yearlings? (I miss the days when cattle meant sheep, goats, or cows. lol) I figure 10 people include women and children. And, since the priest were supposed to eat the rump, how in the world did that few eat that much?
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simple. (and beautiful) (orchestrated/ planned/ on purpose by GOD)

with all GOD'S WORD.

as it is written GOD made everything SIMPLE. man sought out many devices (sinfully).

re-read/find how much was anyone short of food, or had too much , when they

gathered a lot or a little of manna.... (no one had too little, and no one had too much)(like acts!?)

when GOD'S PEOPLE do as HE instructs, trusting and relying on HIM,

everything works out as HE has always planned and purposed. perfectly.

even if and though people don't usually

know how it could be .....................

notwithstanding, (also), they were (overall) healthy vigorous people,

able to walk in an hour further than most u.s. citizens

can walk in a day now-a-days....