Who Here Never Sins?

Radius · Apr 19, 2015

Ecclesiastes 7:20

"Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins."

How can anyone here say they are sinless and does not sin when the Bible is explicitly clear on the issue?

There is no "context" you can frame this verse. It's as straight forward as you can get.

Jason?

Tintin · Apr 19, 2015

Me! I don't sin!
Wait, that's a lie and lying is sinful.
Oh, bother.

Radius · Apr 19, 2015

Tintin said:

Ouch. lol

Violet24 · Apr 19, 2015

One of my favorite scriptures that keeps me humble....All have sinned & fall short of the glory of God Romans 3:23

cmarieh · Apr 19, 2015

Radius said:

We all fall short of the glory of God. We never will come close to deserve God to sacrifice his only begotten son so our sins can be forgiven. That is the greatest love we could ever receive. The point is WE ALL SIN. Are we proud of it? NO! In fact I am ashamed of it, but I also repent of that sin usually right after it happens.

WheresEnoch · Apr 19, 2015

turning from willful sin is the first step of the faith which must be accomplished to move on to greater things and maturity. No sexually immoral, idolaters, revilers, drunkards, slanderers, murderers, liars etc will inherit the kingdom of God

Radius · Apr 19, 2015

WheresEnoch said:

this is true.

Tintin · Apr 19, 2015

WheresEnoch said:

Yes, repentance is key.

slave · Apr 19, 2015

The issue isn't about who we were or who we still are if we don't stay in Christ..It is who He is. dare we say He is not sinless?.For it is He i am seen thru in Gods eyes..I wasn't perfect when born, I was found dead in sin, and I cannot perform well enough in my current self even, as I try to please God...Yet Have we not figured out that this is not who we are anyway, anymore?

I am in Christ, thus my history is now His..God seated Jesus at His right hand, and Seated us with Him. I no longer live, it is He that lives in me. If you remain in me and my Word remains in you..... is the only thing I must attain to, for it is a free gift that has given me Complete victory now. And Sin has been destroyed in me thru Christ.

Life is a process, yet it is not an inevitable event that I should sin. How could He say shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase...and answer by no means! If there was noway to stop sinning. So to does hHe not warn that if we live like this we will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven?

Gal. 5:19-26. ..Sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatry and witchcraft, hatred, discord, Jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, and envy, drunkeness, orgies,..etc

Are we to make ourselves feel better by bringing Gods standards down to earth...for a collective vote of acceptance? Or has God finished the work in His son? And we need to attain to His level thru His son?
I am not perfect, but He that lives in me is, and I am the new me found in Him.

Ephesians 1:17-21. ....Eph 2:6-9.

DesiredHaven · Apr 19, 2015

There is more then one verse here are some others and how they are worded

1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar,and his word is not in us.

For all have sinned

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned,
and come short of the glory of God;

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

As Paul said (Romans 7:17) sin dwelleth in me
(as there is no good thing in the flesh)

In light of the grace we are under, (Romans 6:14)
sin shall not have dominion over us

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

Whereas it also says...

1John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;
but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,
and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace,
who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus,
after that ye have suffered a while ,make you perfect,
stablish, strengthen, settle you.

1Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh,
arm yourselves likewise with the same mind:
for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin

Contrasted ceasing from sin and that which cannot cease from sin

2Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin;
beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised
with covetous practices; cursed children:

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:
whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him.

These could be helpful to someone looking at this

Jason0047 · Apr 19, 2015

Radius said:

Well, knowing the context and understanding the origin of righteousness is the key to understanding Ecclesiastes 7:20. It is an echo of the words of Jesus when He said, "there is none good but one, that is God." Meaning, it is God who is the One who does the righteousness within a believer. Man in and of himself cannot be righteous on his own power. God is only good and righteous. Hence, why Man needs God to be righteous. How do we get the righteousness of God? Thru repentance of our sins (i.e. to confess and forsake sin).

Ecclesiastes 7:3 says sorrow is better than laughter. Why? Because Paul says Godly sorrow leads to repentance unto salvation. It's why verse 18 says we are to fear God. So yes. A man can stop sinning. But not on his own, though. That is what Ecclesiastes 7:20 is saying. However, seeing God is perfect and righteous, the Lord can help the believer to stop or cease from sin. How so? The Scriptures say so. Galatians 5:24 says those that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. 1 Peter 4:1 says that he that suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin. In fact, Peter identifies certain false prophets by the fact that they cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). For Jesus says be ye therefore perfect. Do you believe Jesus when He says that?

Also see Ezekiel 36:26-27. What happens as a result of God placing his Spirit within the believer, etc.?

MikkoAinasoja · Apr 19, 2015

Radius said:

Like our dear brother writes in letter of Hebrew,

39. And these all, having had witness borne to them through their faith, received not the promise, 40. God having provided some better thing concerning us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect. (Heb 11:39-40)

So the way of befection has come from us, and the way of perfection is the Lord Jesus, but the time before our Lord was been here in felsh, they could'n made perfection.

But we can, and we should rech for that, so we may stay in the Lord.

I don't do sin anymore.

But every stone you turn that you may find the excuse for sining, and for stumbling block to those who try to live, or live without committing sin.

Shame on you.

Start to do good, and exhort to other also to do good, istead that you do what you do now, when it seems taht you work for sining, and not for righteousness.

eyesonly · Apr 19, 2015

Radius said:

Amen, the grace of Christ is abundant in you brother.

God bless

slave · Apr 19, 2015

MikkoAinasoja said:

I just want to be clear...

are you concluding that we are the author of our own perfection, based on proof of the passage that in Heb 11:39-40... they would not receive "the Promise?"...And that Jesus was perfect, and we now cannot reach perfection either. But we should strive for it even tho we will never get there, simply to be accredited to the likes of Jesus .?

And then you state you don't do sin, even tho you concluded you can't stop?

then you chastise the ones using excuses for sinning presently, and for them causing others to stumble by that ideal...even tho, still, you have said there is no way to stop sinning?

You then exhort us to do good, and encourage others to do the same, instead of the sinning because you enlighten us on how we were trained in thought to sin...and it sounds like you are talking to followers here...then you conclude that it is only a concept that you have been working to sin, and with a change of thought you will be able to work for righteousness. basically concluding that it's a mind game..?? I had a hard time even reading it... but was I close?

The 16 Heros, , who experienced a mixture of victory as well as sufferings, In Hebrews 11:32-40; Where we see some obtaining promises thru faith, yet none experienced "the promise"...now requires us to ask the question for clarification...What is meant by "The Promise?"

In the plan of God, "God foresaw something better for us" [Heb. 11:40]. God had in mind that the full realization of His promise of blessing and life would be experienced by us, the new covenant believers.

.[Heb. 11:40]....Acknowledges that Gods plan of Salvation is worked out in stages that lead to an eschatological climax. Believers under the Old Covenant, by definition, could not receive the fullness of blessing and Salvation, because the fullness of blessing and Salvation is something that was going to be achieved as part of the New Covenant.

So thru faith and ultimately by way of resurrection, Old and New covenant believers alike will experience together the reward of faith, the fullness of the blessing of eternal life.

Your text was wrong in it's conclusion therefore in it's original premise.

You have exhorted us to reach or earn or walk first to gain merit to sit in the Lord. Yet the opposite is true. We are to sit in Christ and the need to struggle to reach- will befall us, Simply living a life seated in Christ first, will avail the doing. a burden free doing.

Just to clarify...for myself if no one else..

Jason0047 · Apr 19, 2015

Jesus said, anyone who sins is a slave to sin (John 8:34). Paul says we used to be slaves to sin (Romans 6:17). Paul says we have been set from sin and have become slaves to righteousness (Romans 6:18). Are you a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness? You can't be a slave to both because Jesus said you cannot serve two masters.

seed_time_harvest · Apr 19, 2015

slave said:

JESUS would not have came to earth to reconcile the world to GOD if it were possible for us to keep his standards.Now that JESUS has made the atonement those that believe in the WORD of GOD will receive Grace....Eternal life.

But we have bodies that have not been glorified yet and we still sin in the flesh.(the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.)
You could say Salvation and sanctification

Someone might say how do you live right if the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?
Romans 12:1-2 Paul said renew your mind.

SeaBass · Apr 19, 2015

It is a fact men do commit sins but to me, that is not the real problem. The problem is what do men do about their sinning? Most men will just get down and wallow in their sin. The solution to the fact men sin is "submitting to the righteousness of God" Rom 10:3 in obeying the gospel Rom 10:16 by believing, Jn 8:24; repenting Lk 13:3,5; confessing, Rom 10:9,10 and be baptized for remission of sins, Acts 2:38. Then as a Christian, continue to walk in the light whereby the blood of Christ continues to wash away ALL sins, 1 Jn 1:7.

Utah · Apr 19, 2015

I don't always sin, but when I do, I drink Dos Equis.

CRC · Apr 19, 2015

COULD a sick man prove that he has no fever by breaking the thermometer? Of course not! Similarly, just because many reject God’s view of sin, it does not mean that sin does not exist.

tribesman · Apr 19, 2015

Radius said:

Here at CC there are plenty of people who claim that they never sin. Well, that's what they claim. The Truth about it is another matter altogether.

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