Do You Commit Sin?

[Skinski7]

Right, the law is binding on us as long as we live... as long as what lives? Not our physical bodies right, it's the husband that has to die to be loosed from the law. What is the husband and what is the wife? We cant' understand Romans 7 without knowing this.

The loosing is actually to the Old Covenant and the associated Law of Moses VIA this...

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

It is through the "service in newness of spirit" that the law is fulfilled. Hence...

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

If one is led by the Spirit then the fruit that is born is...

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Which is why...

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

This is why Paul wrote...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The law is not voided, it is fulfilled.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which is why there is no condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus AND whom WALK after the Spirit.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

You see it is the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ which sets us free from the law of sin and death...

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

We are not set free via the righteousness of the law having been cancelled. Rather we are set free via the law of righteousness manifestly being fulfilled in us whereby we are not longer in the present state of serving sin and thus reaping its wages which is death.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Now one can reject the above if they like and instead buy into a false "positional righteousness" set apart from "manifest heart purity" but one does so at their peril. That lie will be stripped naked to the minds of those whom have bought it at the judgement and they will have no excuse. Jesus will say to these people, "I never knew you, you who work iniquity."

Jesus saves us from sin, not in it. Jesus saves us from iniquity, not in it. Jesus sets us free indeed.

It is the pure in heart who will see God, not those whom are manifestly wicked.

Don't be deceived.

 

[KJV1611]

Exactly, and that's my point. Everybody sins but Christians don't commit sin.... there is a difference.

What I highlighted above is contradictory. Christians are included in the group of "everyone." If a Christian sins, they ARE COMMITING a sin. Christians are no different than anyone else who sins.

A person commits sin by transgressing the law. If a Christian is not under the law, how does he commit sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I forgot that those things dont show up in lurker mode, none of the verses (in sin part two) are even visible in that last post (so sorry)

I hope no one minds if I just repost them (all) as text rather, I wasnt expecting a similar thread to start up, I love this topic

There is more then one verse here are some others and how they are worded

1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

For all have sinned

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned,
and come short of the glory of God;

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

As Paul said (Romans 7:17) sin dwelleth in me
(as there is no good thing in the flesh)

We are also not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be the Spirit of God
is in us (Romans 8:9). In light of the grace we are under, (Romans 6:14)
sin shall not have dominion over us

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

1John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;
but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,
and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace,
who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus,
after that ye have suffered a while ,make you perfect,
stablish, strengthen, settle you.

1Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh,
arm yourselves likewise with the same mind:
for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin

Contrasting ceasing from sin and that which cannot cease from sin

2Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin;
beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised
with covetous practices; cursed children:

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:
whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him.

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest,
and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother. (John 8:44)

John 8:34 Jesus answered them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you:
he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous.

 

[WheresEnoch]

A person commits sin by transgressing the law. If a Christian is not under the law, how does he commit sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 7
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

That's a good question. Why are we not 'under the law'? Because we are to be under the Spirit, which when we base our thoughts, attitudes and actions off of the Spirit, we do not break the law.

It is important to reject the flesh and it's attitudes, thoughts and desires and always ask ourselves if we are living according to the flesh or the Spirit until we reach maturity and conformity

 

[Skinski7]

A person commits sin by transgressing the law. If a Christian is not under the law, how does he commit sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Being "not under the law" is associated with "being led of the Spirit."

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

That is a conditional statement made by Paul. He was speaking to the Galatians in regards to the outward ritual adherence to things like circumcision which are not able to deliver one unto righteousness, but were rather mere shadows of a greater truth. Righteousness is through being "led of the Spirit" not "outward observance to the Law of Moses."

That is why Paul writes things like...

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Genuine Christians have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires and thus no longer walk according to those base passions. The genuine Christian has subjected themselves to the leading of the Spirit and it is through that dynamic of yielding to the grace of God that we are transformed into new creations in Christ.

The law could only ever regulate the outward man. Yet root issue is not the outward man but rather the inward man. If the inward man is regulated by the Spirit of God the outward man will thus walk in concordance with the inward regulation. Thus those whom are led of God are not under any outward rules and regulations, those rules and regulations become obsolete.

The rules and regulations are not cancelled, they are instead fulfilled by the greater law of love.

If we love our neighbour fervently with pure hearts then we no longer need "thou shalt not murder" for love will NEVER produce murder. Hence...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

As true children of God we are MANIFEST to the world by our conduct. We DO righteousness.

The children of the devil are MANIFEST by their conduct too. They DO unrighteousness.

Remember Jesus taught...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

The Pharisees were MANIFEST children of the devil due to their conduct...

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

The Pharisees were completely blinded by their delusion and wicked hearts. Jesus spoke the self evident truth so plainly to them yet they simply could not perceive it.

Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

It is exactly the same today with the modern theologians. They cannot perceive the self evident truth that is right in front of them either. What a tragedy.

People will argue in favour of Jesus Christ cancelling the standard of righteousness in proxy of some substitutional nonsense and in so doing will neutralise their minds from coming to a true understanding of repentance and faith, thus severing any possibility of a true redemption as far as they are concerned. Again, what a tragedy!

 

[KJV1611]

Romans 7
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

That's a good question. Why are we not 'under the law'? Because we are to be under the Spirit, which when we base our thoughts, attitudes and actions off of the Spirit, we do not break the law.

Yes we are under the Spirit, and we are not under the law because the law is for the husband, not the woman. The bible refers to the soul as a woman. The soul is married to the flesh. Christ crucified our flesh and now our soul is loosed from the law of our husband and free to marry Christ.

 

[Vernon]

Does this mean, once you are saved by grace through faith and baptized, you no longer sin?

No it means you no longer desire or want to sin.

 

[WheresEnoch]

So you are saying that it is impossible for a christian to sin, because sin does not exist for any Christian?

 

[nw2u]

Christ is the husband and his bride is the church, in case no one answered.

 

[ember]

Only false bibles say "whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil". Read it from a true bible and you get a completely different message

another kjv only thread

double jeopardy...no matter how you respond you are wrong

Yes we are under the Spirit, and we are not under the law because the law is for the husband, not the woman. The bible refers to the soul as a woman. The soul is married to the flesh. Christ crucified our flesh and now our soul is loosed from the law of our husband and free to marry Christ.

We aren't under anything...we are IN Christ and filled with His Spirit...the Holy Spirit...also known as the Spirit of God

The law was for everyone...male and female...I was brought up on the KJ and I am very familar with it...it just does not say what you are trying to make it say

Let's have the verse(s) where the Bible refers to a person's soul as female

Do you spend your time seeing just how far you can make some sort of allegory out of scripture without actually being called a heretic?

 

[KJV1611]

another kjv only thread

double jeopardy...no matter how you respond you are wrong



We aren't under anything...we are IN Christ and filled with His Spirit...the Holy Spirit...also known as the Spirit of God

The law was for everyone...male and female...I was brought up on the KJ and I am very familar with it...it just does not say what you are trying to make it say

Let's have the verse(s) where the Bible refers to a person's soul as female

Do you spend your time seeing just how far you can make some sort of allegory out of scripture without actually being called a heretic?

Psa_34:2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I didnt think this was a KJV only thread, Im certainly not a KJV onlyist even though I use the KJV

 

[Jason0047]

How does one know if they are being led by the Spirit (Whereby they are not under the Law)? By looking to see if one has the fruits of the Spirit within their life. If one does not have good fruit that comes from God in their heart and lives then they are not being led by the Spirit and that means they are under the Law.

 

[KJV1611]

I didnt think this was a KJV only thread, Im certainly not a KJV onlyist even though I use the KJV

You're right it's not about KJV only but it's not possible to understand these verses without using the KJV.

 

[KJV1611]

How does one know if they are being led by the Spirit (Whereby they are not under the Law)? By looking to see if one has the fruits of the Spirit within their life. If one does not have good fruit that comes from God in their heart and lives then they are not being led by the Spirit and that means they are under the Law.

I agree... love joy peace etc.

 

[ember]

You're right it's not about KJV only but it's not possible to understand these verses without using the KJV.

you are really being rather insincere in your claim considering you wrote this:

Only false bibles say "whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil". Read it from a true bible and you get a completely different message

you are kjv only so it does not take Sherlock Holmes to determine you believe all Bibles except the kj are false

so, you know, I stand by what I wrote

 

[DesiredHaven]

You're right it's not about KJV only but it's not possible to understand these verses without using the KJV.

I love the KJV but I disagree with you there, but I also stay away from arguing versions, because I never see anyone grow beyond how King James is their Lord, and they stay there for many years (going nowhere) I just never seen that much fruit come of it.

You are entitled to your opinion on that though, wont argue with you (even though I prefer the KJV).

 

[KJV1611]

you are really being rather insincere in your claim considering you wrote this:

Only false bibles say "whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil". Read it from a true bible and you get a completely different message

you are kjv only so it does not take Sherlock Holmes to determine you believe all Bibles except the kj are false

so, you know, I stand by what I wrote

Here's what I believe, call me whatever you want. There is some truth in all bibles albeit some contain very little truth. If a person wants to move on beyond the basics of salvation then you have to move on to the real bible. The deep things about God and our relationship with him can not be found in the newer translations. ... they changed the words so that it's impossible to know the truth.

 

[ember]

Here's what I believe, call me whatever you want. There is some truth in all bibles albeit some contain very little truth. If a person wants to move on beyond the basics of salvation then you have to move on to the real bible. The deep things about God and our relationship with him can not be found in the newer translations. ... they changed the words so that it's impossible to know the truth.

well you are backpeddling here...but that's fine

the King James Bible is not inspired...it is also a translation

not all translations are created equal, but no translations are inspired as were the original words penned


As it is, you have not responded to the questions I asked as regards this:

Yes we are under the Spirit, and we are not under the law because the law is for the husband, not the woman. The bible refers to the soul as a woman. The soul is married to the flesh. Christ crucified our flesh and now our soul is loosed from the law of our husband and free to marry Christ.

We aren't under anything...we are IN Christ and filled with His Spirit...the Holy Spirit...also known as the Spirit of God

The law was for everyone...male and female...I was brought up on the KJ and I am very familar with it...it just does not say what you are trying to make it say

Let's have the verse(s) where the Bible refers to a person's soul as female

Does the KJ actually state all souls are female?

Did the law only apply to men in the OT?

 

[nw2u]

Here's what I believe, call me whatever you want. There is some truth in all bibles albeit some contain very little truth. If a person wants to move on beyond the basics of salvation then you have to move on to the real bible. The deep things about God and our relationship with him can not be found in the newer translations. ... they changed the words so that it's impossible to know the truth.

Thanks.

A man doing his best to find the truth, and follow what he believes. A man trying to follow Christ, love God above all and love his neighbor as himself.

But........lol........I still don't agree with some of what I read.

There's always a "but", isn't there? lol