Do You Commit Sin?

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WheresEnoch

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I don't see anything in those verses that suggests they are believers in Christ. I assume you believe the fact that Paul calls them brothers means they are brothers in Christ... I can see your point although I don't agree.

I don't believe a true Christian could do the things mentioned in those verses. Just an opinion, not saying it's gospel.
I agree, the one is not a Christian. The evidence of that is his actions
 
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Yes join the cult of King James Onlyism and live in the knowledge that despite what you think and do you will never sin again.
Paul said he didn't sin anymore, do you believe him?

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
 
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You guys could be right... but the "one" in verse 5 is not saved. If he was, he wouldn't be delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh in order to save his spirit. If he was a Christian then he was saved by grace through faith.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
I cant be certain to say for sure, you just see Herod with his brothers wife (getting rebuked by John) and here you have this other deal of fornication that seems to be unheard of among the Gentiles with a man having his fathers wife


How weird really, but their whole tude of being proud rather then mourn about it struck me, I suppose its neither here nor there as fornication (whether Jew or Greek) is reproved (whoevers wife you have) know what I mean?

Now I had thought that this was speaking of the same man here


2 Cr 2:6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.

No?

Like he was brought back in the next letter
 
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I agree, the one is not a Christian. The evidence of that is his actions
The one is among the group in verse 1. That group was puffed up over the one's sin and didn't mourn his sinfulness. Does it sound like the group in verse 1 were Christians?

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
 
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WheresEnoch

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Paul said he didn't sin anymore, do you believe him?

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
You just picked one of Paul's tricky verses. You really gotta take that one in context and understand the different laws he is talking about. It's easy to come to a conclusion on what he is saying but maybe we should break it down
 
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WheresEnoch

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The one is among the group in verse 1. That group was puffed up over the one's sin and didn't mourn his sinfulness. Does it sound like the group in verse 1 were Christians?

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
Maybe the group was just misinformed, thinking that when they sinned, grace abounded
 
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I cant be certain to say for sure, you just see Herod with his brothers wife (getting rebuked by John) and here you have this other deal of fornication that seems to be unheard of among the Gentiles with a man having his fathers wife


How weird really, but their whole tude of being proud rather then mourn about it struck me, I suppose its neither here nor there as fornication (whether Jew or Greek) is reproved (whoevers wife you have) know what I mean?

Now I had thought that this was speaking of the same man here


2 Cr 2:6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.

No?

Like he was brought back in the next letter
It could be the same guy and it could be after satan destoyed his flesh. I've never really thought about that... good point that you brought up!

And yes the pride thing struck me too. It just makes me think none of them were converted.
 
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You just picked one of Paul's tricky verses. You really gotta take that one in context and understand the different laws he is talking about. It's easy to come to a conclusion on what he is saying but maybe we should break it down
It's really not tricky at all. If you're saved then you love the law of God. If you love the law of God and still break it then it's not you that sins but sin that dwells in this body of death. As long as we live in these bodies, these bodies will still sin no matter how willing the spirit is.
 
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WheresEnoch

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It's really not tricky at all. If you're saved then you love the law of God. If you love the law of God and still break it then it's not you that sins but sin that dwells in this body of death. As long as we live in these bodies, these bodies will still sin no matter how willing the spirit is.
Maybe I will give my thoughts on it tomorrow. It would take more time than I have tonight especially because I think you need to include Romans 8 as well
 
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Sin is transgression of the Law. However, to say that a Christian cannot sin because they are not under the Law is just silly. Believers are not lawless. They uphold God's good ways. If God's people did not uphold the Lord's goodness, then how would that reflect back upon God who is Holy? See, if one does sin or evil as a way of life, then they are evil. It's not a question of if or maybe. It's a matter of fact. To say one cannot sin is just absolutely ridiculous. For there is no way a believer can sin and still be saved. Sorry, not going to happen.
 
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It depends on how you look at it- it is a yes and a no. No I don't sin in many of the ways I used to sin. And yes I am still getting rid of sinful habits. Yes I admit my faults because I have faults to admit. But I remain in the Blood, so any sin is immediately erased- therefore I am without sin. Christians do not continue to live in sin, and they "visit" sin less and less often as they grow. A Christian can go a long time without sinning. But sin can be plural or singular, once you have sinned one time, you are a sinner- just as you can steal one time and you are a thief.

But in Christ I am free of blemish and accusation. Praise be to God for that miracle. So those in Christ do not sin because His seed remains in them. He who knows the good he ought to do and does not do it sins. For example you know you shouldn't smoke. So you get on some program to start the process of quiting- which may take years. Still you are doing the good you know you ought to do. But what of those who don't try? I think sin has different contexts in different verses. If we all sin, why are there two groups of people- the righteous and the unrighteousness? And why does God say His people do not continue to sin? Because He knows they give effort, and that even if it took them a million years, they would quit that sin, if allowed the time. In the meantime, and for the sins already committed, God finishes the length where we fall short.
 
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Sin is transgression of the Law. However, to say that a Christian cannot sin because they are not under the Law is just silly. Believers are not lawless. They uphold God's good ways. If God's people did not uphold the Lord's goodness, then how would that reflect back upon God who is Holy? See, if one does sin or evil as a way of life, then they are evil. It's not a question of if or maybe. It's a matter of fact. To say one cannot sin is just absolutely ridiculous. For there is no way a believer can sin and still be saved. Sorry, not going to happen.
It's against the law to possess marijuana in Indiana. If the police catch me with marijuana then I'm guilty of committing a crime. If that law gets done away with next year and I get caught with it am I guilty of committing a crime? Of course not. Nothing changed about marijuana, it's still a drug and it's still bad for you but if I get caught with it I have not committed a crime.

I think you understand that analogy and probably agree with it. Why does it blow your mind when the word sin is used instead of marijuana?
 
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It could be the same guy and it could be after satan destoyed his flesh. I've never really thought about that... good point that you brought up!

And yes the pride thing struck me too. It just makes me think none of them were converted.
How can pride actually be used in your favor? A believer can be prideful according to your beliefs and still make it into heaven because they can commit an act of sin like pride in the body and yet,...... they are still saved. However, that is not true morality or righteousness, though. That is a license to sin. How far are we going to take this: "Hey... I sin in the body but not in the flesh" type false theology?" Does it include being an axe murderer? Surely, even you realize there are limits to the types of sin one can and cannot commit in order to be a true Christian. Yet, you say you are not under the Law. But all sin is transgression of the Law. Which would mean you are under some kind of Law to say that a believer cannot commit certain types of sin. In other words, you are essentially saying you are lawless up until the point that would not include those really really bad sins. But what you fail to understand is that when Paul said we are not under the Law.... he was referencing the Law of Moses. What you fail to understand is that Paul says in Romans 6 that we are forbidden to continue in sin. But........ why worry about sin... if Jack (the OSAS proponent) is not under the Law. Jack can live like the devil and be working for God's Kingdom. It doesn't matter what Jack really does. Jack can live life for himself and have a wishy washy mental belief on Jesus and live in sin (Because he likes the pleasure of his sin more than God). Yet the "Condemnation" in John 3:19-21 says Jack is condemned because he has not come to the light of Christ (really) because he loved the darkness of his own sin instead of the light of God.
 
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It's against the law to possess marijuana in Indiana. If the police catch me with marijuana then I'm guilty of committing a crime. If that law gets done away with next year and I get caught with it am I guilty of committing a crime? Of course not. Nothing changed about marijuana, it's still a drug and it's still bad for you but if I get caught with it I have not committed a crime.

I think you understand that analogy and probably agree with it. Why does it blow your mind when the word sin is used instead of marijuana?
You are basically saying God is doing away with basic moral laws on your behalf because of Jesus Christ. That is just evil and wrong. What sins do you think you can get away with besides, murder, rape, and other big types of sin? Is lusting after women okay? Is stealing okay? Can a believer do other certain types of sins and be a believer?
 
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Any honest Christian readily admits that they still sin... it's human nature to sin and we all still have that nature. The fact is this verse does not say a Christian will stop practicing sin as the NASB puts it.



Trust me, the newer translations will always keep you in bondage and lead you to believe that you have to work and make yourself better. The KJV accurately puts it as "doth not commit sin", which is the absolute truth.

Christians still sin, but they do not "commit sin" because there is no such thing as committing a sin in a born again persons life. In order to commit a sin, one has to transgress the law.



There is no law for Christians (because our husband is dead and we are freed from his law) hence Christians do not commit sin. Don't let these newer translations rob you of your joy and freedom in the Lord... rest in the finished work of Jesus. :D
So so beautiful of a post. Christian through and through. If only everyone could understand the spirit of the word as it was meant to be for us as in this post.

I have read the KJV and also am reading newer versions but i always refer to the KJV for that exact reason you stated. To keep it true to the word.

God bless
 
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Honestly. Why even believe in God if one thinks God will just allow them to do evil? One can just do evil as an unbeliever. This is why Jesus said he will spew those out of his mouth who are lukewarm. They do not really have any real morals.
 
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You are basically saying God is doing away with basic moral laws on your behalf because of Jesus Christ. That is just evil and wrong. What sins do you think you can get away with besides, murder, rape, and other big types of sin? Is lusting after women okay? Is stealing okay? Can a believer do other certain types of sins and be a believer?
Wow, so many "Christians" like yourself, really don't understand the spirit of the word do you. You are so stuck under the law.
My heart aches for you.
there are no "big" types of sins. therein lies your problem. all sins are the same in gods eyes. lying is the same as stealing is the same as murder.
to put sins in separate categories is mans way to rationalize it, not gods way.

I get the sense that you feel that if you lie a little bit, or condemn or judge someone that that's ok, just ask forgiveness and carry on as a Christian.
You are either condemned for any sin under the law, or are freed for any sin under grace.
The word says you can't have it both ways, but you are free to choose which path you will follow.

I choose the grace god bestowed on us through the sacrifice and resurrection of his son Christ Jesus. To follow any other path would mean to disregard the whole purpose of Christ.
God gave his only son to die for us and in return all he asks is that we understand his grace and just how much he loves us. That is so awesome.

I really think people really need to start understanding what the true meaning of grace is from the spirit and not from the flesh.

God bless
 
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I really think people really need to start understanding what the true meaning of grace is from the spirit and not from the flesh. For in grace, freed from sin, we become the ultimate Christians, loving, understanding, tolerance, non judgemental, non condemning, and disciples of the word sharing it in its truest meaning.

When Christ was here, he judged the righteous, not the sinner. I am a sinner, therefore in Christ i am sinless for he was sinless.

I'm sure that is pretty heavy stuff for some to understand, but it is so simple when you get it from the spirit, and is so complicated when you try to understand it from the flesh mind.

God bless