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It isn't. So many falsehoods in doctrinal beliefs want to separate the spiritual truths of the Old and New Testament apart from each other. If David did it (being a man after God's own heart) so can I.
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Music is heaven sent when we sing the truth, and praise God in His way, not ours.
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Music is heaven sent when we sing the truth, and praise God in His way, not ours.
D
...Specific New Testament reference to musical instruments is limited to the Apostle John's vision of heaven: "And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and standing beside the sea those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God." (Revelations 15:2 NIV).
Few would argue that this comparative silence indicates God's disapproval of instruments as a part of New Testament church worship. The Apostle Paul assures that all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in what is right (2Timothy 3:16). The Psalms is a part of the all Scripture that Paul refers to. The book of Psalms is filled with examples of praise and worship methods that are pleasing to God...
The New Testament tells us that the Psalms are most definitely to be a part of the worship practice of believers (Eph. 5:19, Colossians 3:16). The book of Psalms is filled with references to praising God with musical instruments...
The Hebrew Old Testament word for psalms is Tehillim, or 'praises.'
The Greek New Testament word for Psalms is: Psalmoi, originally meaning "songs sung to a harp," from psallein "play on a stringed instrument...""
According to the New Testament definition for the word psalms, and according New Testament Scripture regarding the Psalms, God is pleased with worship that comes from the heart, with or without instruments.
Source: http://www.sharefaith.com/guide/Christian-Music/praise-and-worship/instruments-of-the-new-testament.html
Few would argue that this comparative silence indicates God's disapproval of instruments as a part of New Testament church worship. The Apostle Paul assures that all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in what is right (2Timothy 3:16). The Psalms is a part of the all Scripture that Paul refers to. The book of Psalms is filled with examples of praise and worship methods that are pleasing to God...
The New Testament tells us that the Psalms are most definitely to be a part of the worship practice of believers (Eph. 5:19, Colossians 3:16). The book of Psalms is filled with references to praising God with musical instruments...
The Hebrew Old Testament word for psalms is Tehillim, or 'praises.'
The Greek New Testament word for Psalms is: Psalmoi, originally meaning "songs sung to a harp," from psallein "play on a stringed instrument...""
According to the New Testament definition for the word psalms, and according New Testament Scripture regarding the Psalms, God is pleased with worship that comes from the heart, with or without instruments.
Source: http://www.sharefaith.com/guide/Christian-Music/praise-and-worship/instruments-of-the-new-testament.html
A
Because it's easier to follow the short list than the long list.
The short list -- stuff I'm not inclined to do anyway. (Rob banks, play instruments, wear makeup, covet donkeys or neighbor's wives. Maybe a neighbor's husband, but never a wife. lol Alas, I still win. I have the best hubby in the neighborhood.
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The long list -- God's real law, right down to not stealing a pen from work, not gossiping, not lusting at my gorgeous cousin, etc.)
Since the very inception of God's law, it is in the mind of Man it's too hard, so we go off that and follow new law (the short list) that just seems easier.
The flaws with the logic you presented (no instruments in worship):
-- The OT is still part of God's word, and that included references to one of the best all-time worship leaders -- David. He was good with the lyre, which is an instrument, and he used his skills to worship.
-- The NT doesn't talk about washing hair either. Does that mean we don't do that too?
-- No where in the Bible are raspberries mentioned. Does that mean we aren't to enjoy a good raspberry?
-- The advantage of a negative argument is you can't prove a negative. (You can't prove instruments in the NT.) Logic dictates that works. Reality laughs.
-- Revelation. There are trumpets in heaven. What is anyone doing in heaven but worshiping God?
The short list -- stuff I'm not inclined to do anyway. (Rob banks, play instruments, wear makeup, covet donkeys or neighbor's wives. Maybe a neighbor's husband, but never a wife. lol Alas, I still win. I have the best hubby in the neighborhood.
)The long list -- God's real law, right down to not stealing a pen from work, not gossiping, not lusting at my gorgeous cousin, etc.)
Since the very inception of God's law, it is in the mind of Man it's too hard, so we go off that and follow new law (the short list) that just seems easier.
The flaws with the logic you presented (no instruments in worship):
-- The OT is still part of God's word, and that included references to one of the best all-time worship leaders -- David. He was good with the lyre, which is an instrument, and he used his skills to worship.
-- The NT doesn't talk about washing hair either. Does that mean we don't do that too?
-- No where in the Bible are raspberries mentioned. Does that mean we aren't to enjoy a good raspberry?
-- The advantage of a negative argument is you can't prove a negative. (You can't prove instruments in the NT.) Logic dictates that works. Reality laughs.
-- Revelation. There are trumpets in heaven. What is anyone doing in heaven but worshiping God?
M
Many Psalms start with to the Chief musician....
Musical instruments were used in th OT including in the Psalms
The NT says Psalms were to be part of worship, presumably this included the musical
score and the traditional instruments of the time.
To assume musical instruments were not used and therefore shouldn't be used,
is like saying, the NT does not mention coffee, therefore it is sin to drink coffee,
or the NT does not mention antibiotics, therefore it is a sin to use antibiotics etc.
For all we know it may just have been the case that more emphasise was put on
the human voice due to a lack of musicians in the early church. Maybe the Jewish
temple musicians didn't want to lose their prestige by converting to Christianity.
I went to one church, where for a while there was no pianist and so we had only
the human voice. That wasn't out of choice it was just the way it was. Didn't sound
that great though, the songs often started off either too high or too low!
You may also have to learn how to play the Harp in eternity.
2 Samuel 6:3-5 NKJV
[3] So they set the ark of God on a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab,
which wason the hill; and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drove the new cart.
[4] And they brought it outof the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill, accompanying
the ark of God; and Ahio went before the ark. [5] Then David and all the house of Israel played
music before the LORD on all kinds of instruments of fir wood, on harps, on stringed instruments,
on tambourines, on sistrums, and on cymbals.
1 Chronicles 6:31-32 NKJV
[31] Now these are the men whom David appointed over the service of song in the house of the LORD,
after the ark came to rest. [32] They were ministering with music before the dwelling place of the
tabernacle of meeting, until Solomon had built the house of the LORD in Jerusalem, and they served
in their office according to their order.
Habakkuk 3:19 AMP
[19] The Lord God is my Strength, my personal bravery, and my invincible army; He makes
my feet like hinds' feet and will make me to walk not to stand still in terror, but to walk and
make spiritual progress upon my high places of trouble, suffering, or responsibility! For the
Chief Musician; with my stringedinstruments.
Psalm 33:1-3 NKJV
[1] Rejoice in the LORD, O you righteous! For praise from the upright is beautiful. [2] Praise
the LORD with the harp; Make melody to Him with an instrument of ten strings. [3] Sing
to Him a new song; Play skillfully with a shout of joy.
Psalm 68:24-25 NKJV
[24] They have seen Your procession, O God, The procession of my God, my King, into the sanctuary.
[25] The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; Among them were the
maidens playing timbrels.
Ephesians 5:19 AMP
[19] Speak out to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, offering praise with voices
and instruments and making melody with all your heart to the Lord,
Colossians 3:16 AMP
[16] Let the word spoken by Christ (the Messiah) have its home in your hearts and minds and dwell
in you in all its richness, as you teach and admonish and train one another in all insight and intelligence
and wisdom in spiritual things, and as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, making melody
to God with His grace in your hearts.
Revelation 5:8 NKJV
[8] Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down
before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Revelation 15:2-3 NKJV
[2] And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over
the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea
of glass, having harps of God. [3] They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song
of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are
Your ways, O King of the saints!
Musical instruments were used in th OT including in the Psalms
The NT says Psalms were to be part of worship, presumably this included the musical
score and the traditional instruments of the time.
To assume musical instruments were not used and therefore shouldn't be used,
is like saying, the NT does not mention coffee, therefore it is sin to drink coffee,
or the NT does not mention antibiotics, therefore it is a sin to use antibiotics etc.
For all we know it may just have been the case that more emphasise was put on
the human voice due to a lack of musicians in the early church. Maybe the Jewish
temple musicians didn't want to lose their prestige by converting to Christianity.
I went to one church, where for a while there was no pianist and so we had only
the human voice. That wasn't out of choice it was just the way it was. Didn't sound
that great though, the songs often started off either too high or too low!
You may also have to learn how to play the Harp in eternity.
2 Samuel 6:3-5 NKJV
[3] So they set the ark of God on a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab,
which wason the hill; and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drove the new cart.
[4] And they brought it outof the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill, accompanying
the ark of God; and Ahio went before the ark. [5] Then David and all the house of Israel played
music before the LORD on all kinds of instruments of fir wood, on harps, on stringed instruments,
on tambourines, on sistrums, and on cymbals.
1 Chronicles 6:31-32 NKJV
[31] Now these are the men whom David appointed over the service of song in the house of the LORD,
after the ark came to rest. [32] They were ministering with music before the dwelling place of the
tabernacle of meeting, until Solomon had built the house of the LORD in Jerusalem, and they served
in their office according to their order.
Habakkuk 3:19 AMP
[19] The Lord God is my Strength, my personal bravery, and my invincible army; He makes
my feet like hinds' feet and will make me to walk not to stand still in terror, but to walk and
make spiritual progress upon my high places of trouble, suffering, or responsibility! For the
Chief Musician; with my stringedinstruments.
Psalm 33:1-3 NKJV
[1] Rejoice in the LORD, O you righteous! For praise from the upright is beautiful. [2] Praise
the LORD with the harp; Make melody to Him with an instrument of ten strings. [3] Sing
to Him a new song; Play skillfully with a shout of joy.
Psalm 68:24-25 NKJV
[24] They have seen Your procession, O God, The procession of my God, my King, into the sanctuary.
[25] The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; Among them were the
maidens playing timbrels.
Ephesians 5:19 AMP
[19] Speak out to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, offering praise with voices
and instruments and making melody with all your heart to the Lord,
Colossians 3:16 AMP
[16] Let the word spoken by Christ (the Messiah) have its home in your hearts and minds and dwell
in you in all its richness, as you teach and admonish and train one another in all insight and intelligence
and wisdom in spiritual things, and as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, making melody
to God with His grace in your hearts.
Revelation 5:8 NKJV
[8] Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down
before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Revelation 15:2-3 NKJV
[2] And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over
the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea
of glass, having harps of God. [3] They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song
of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are
Your ways, O King of the saints!
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I tried for years to get into churches with my guitar. Never happened. All doors shut. So maybe it is wrong to use instruments. God never let me. Just kidding. My musical ministry as such,was soundly rejected because the church leaders are stuck on themselves as I have been pointing out on every thread.
Nothing wrong with instruments.
Nothing wrong with instruments.
J
When a prohibitive doctrine is established, for something not being mentioned in scripture, that's not a scriptural basis: that's no basis. Isn't that like the atheists' Big Bang, something from nothing?
This is the sort of thing cults do, to separate out a customer base. If primitive Baptists don't want instruments, fine, but it's error to prescribe this legalistic restriction to anybody else, or cling to any false virtue, which is pretentious self-righteousness and weak faith.
Romans 14:22-23 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
This is the sort of thing cults do, to separate out a customer base. If primitive Baptists don't want instruments, fine, but it's error to prescribe this legalistic restriction to anybody else, or cling to any false virtue, which is pretentious self-righteousness and weak faith.
Romans 14:22-23 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
It wouldn't be wrong.....I am the Lord thy God I change not....
Instruments are used all through the O.T. for worship
Instruments are used in Heaven for worship
and the two sets of verses used by those who are in error to propagate this foolishness are out of context and have nothing at all to do with assembly capacity worship!
To say that they are not acceptable for the worship and praising of God is foolish so don't believe that crap!
Instruments are used all through the O.T. for worship
Instruments are used in Heaven for worship
and the two sets of verses used by those who are in error to propagate this foolishness are out of context and have nothing at all to do with assembly capacity worship!
To say that they are not acceptable for the worship and praising of God is foolish so don't believe that crap!
If you preached before playing those notes, it´s highly probable some people would convert to Jesus (Yet, music is a second dish becasue God wants US to LISTEN TO HIS SON).
Mat 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!"
Mat 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!"
God commanded NT Christians to sing. If one does not have to do what the bible says when it comes to singing, then one does not have to do anything the bible says, does not even need a bible.
In the OT, the Jew had no choice but to be circumcised if he was to be in a covenant relationship with God, (Genesis 17). Yet Christ's NT does not command the Christian to be circumcised. Christ's NT does not command the Christian to NOT be circumcised either. Paul was indifferent about circumcision saying circumcision and uncircumcision is nothing (1 Cor 7:19)..being circumcised or uncircumcised was a none issue Yet when some try to make circumcision a NT religious practice (examples: Acts 15 and Galatian epistle) then it became an issue, it became error for they went beyond/above which was written (1 Cor 4:6).
In the OT at times they were to use a musical instrument (Numbers 10:3,4,8). Like circumcision, nowhere in Christ's NT are Christians commanded to or commanded not to use a musical instrument. And like circumcision, using musical instruments as a religious practice goes beyond/above that which is written and would be an erroneous practice as some had made circumcision. If not, then there would have been nothing wrong with those in the NT that tried to make circumcision a NT religious practice either.