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God is consistently the same...HE CHANGES NOT
Instruments used in worship throughout the OT
Instruments used in HEAVEN in worship
The two main sets of verses you use OUT of CONTEXT to push your COC dogma have NOTHING to do with assembly capacity worship.....
The above is more than enough to cast extreme doubt on your Campbellite dogma.......
If it is acceptable in the O.T.
If it is acceptable in Revelation and in HEAVEN
It is acceptable in N.T. worship...PERIOD
Again your problem is your inability to accept truth over our COC dogma.....and not only on this subject I will add!
Instruments used in worship throughout the OT
Instruments used in HEAVEN in worship
The two main sets of verses you use OUT of CONTEXT to push your COC dogma have NOTHING to do with assembly capacity worship.....
The above is more than enough to cast extreme doubt on your Campbellite dogma.......
If it is acceptable in the O.T.
If it is acceptable in Revelation and in HEAVEN
It is acceptable in N.T. worship...PERIOD
Again your problem is your inability to accept truth over our COC dogma.....and not only on this subject I will add!
Nowhere in the NT was circumcision commanded or not commanded, as Paul said circumcision and uncircumcision is nothing just like using an IM is neither specifically commanded or not commanded. So the issue remains - why would making circumcision a religious practice become an erroneous issue since Christians have neither been commanded to be circumcised or commanded to not be circumcised?
This reeks of ignorance and a silly stance to try and justify your COC dogma of no instruments in worship....as they tied circumcision to salvation as a requirement for salvation....just like many today with their works and water heresy of the which you are well associated with..........look...you can forget it Sea....there are a few heretical religions that deny instruments and in the process reject the obvious truths, twist some truths and end up standing on the opinions of mere men over the principles of the bible.......period!
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Good Question.
In your search for the truth as it applies to worship, begin with the principle in 1 Corinthians 8. Meats and musical instruments? Paul says the eating of meat that came from an animal used in a pagan sacrifice does not commend nor condemn us. It's a liberty. (Oh, how I love PRIME RIB! That reminds me: PETA - People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.
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Eat! Eat!
Liberty? Yes. Not a command to eat or not to eat. The guiding principle in the text is love. This certainly would apply to an assembly of saints who gathered for worship. If some brethren don't want a guitar and drums in worship because they believe it is wrong, I ain't going to book or create a musical band. It's not essential. Paul's instruction and example would certainly be the guiding principle in this case.
Those opposed to instruments being used in the assembly of the saints rely on the New Testament as their rule. Since MI's aren't mentioned in an assembly of saints in the New Testament, they find no authority to use musical instruments.
One counter argument in this thread refers to coffee not being mentioned in New Testament. That argument falls short. It fails to acknowledge that there is a difference between a piano being played in one's living room and one being played in the assembly of the saints. In fact, if a person followed the reasoning or argument of the coffee ain't mentioned either argument, that could give license to all sorts of practices.
Does the Old Testament mention instruments? Yes. Does the Old Testament (now someone mentioned "All scripture" and they would have that include Genesis through Revelation) mention burnt offerings? Does it mention high priest only one who approaches God on day of atonement in the holy of holies? Yes. If the OT mentions it . . . it's okay to use in the assembly of the saints!
Remember, God is Holy. He is to be revered, honored, glorified in worship. But look at what has become of worship. Rock bands. Punk rock music. One musical group raised a huge cross on a stage. It was some spectacle. A sight to behold. It flashed blue. Then yellow. Then white. Red. A mist hovered below. Drums and guitars and lights and screams. Some show. Fashioned right to the pattern of a secular rock concert.
Myself, I don't want instruments when I worship with the saints. Several reasons. They are distracting. I want to hear the saints sing. I don't emphasize the quality of the sound, for if I sing from the heart, and sing in spirit, God hears a wonderful melody. Yes, I try to put forth my best, but I would never make it past the first week of American Idol. Forget The Voice, they'd lock me out. But the saints, they sing along with me. No competition.
Some of the verses I rely on to guide me in how I should worship God with the saints, include:
Leviticus 10:1-3
And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not.
And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the Lord spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Those who worship where MI's are used, that is their "eating." I do not judge them. It is between them and God.
I hope you are helped by my reply in your search for the truth.
In your search for the truth as it applies to worship, begin with the principle in 1 Corinthians 8. Meats and musical instruments? Paul says the eating of meat that came from an animal used in a pagan sacrifice does not commend nor condemn us. It's a liberty. (Oh, how I love PRIME RIB! That reminds me: PETA - People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.
) Eat! Eat!
Liberty? Yes. Not a command to eat or not to eat. The guiding principle in the text is love. This certainly would apply to an assembly of saints who gathered for worship. If some brethren don't want a guitar and drums in worship because they believe it is wrong, I ain't going to book or create a musical band. It's not essential. Paul's instruction and example would certainly be the guiding principle in this case.
Those opposed to instruments being used in the assembly of the saints rely on the New Testament as their rule. Since MI's aren't mentioned in an assembly of saints in the New Testament, they find no authority to use musical instruments.
One counter argument in this thread refers to coffee not being mentioned in New Testament. That argument falls short. It fails to acknowledge that there is a difference between a piano being played in one's living room and one being played in the assembly of the saints. In fact, if a person followed the reasoning or argument of the coffee ain't mentioned either argument, that could give license to all sorts of practices.
Does the Old Testament mention instruments? Yes. Does the Old Testament (now someone mentioned "All scripture" and they would have that include Genesis through Revelation) mention burnt offerings? Does it mention high priest only one who approaches God on day of atonement in the holy of holies? Yes. If the OT mentions it . . . it's okay to use in the assembly of the saints!
Remember, God is Holy. He is to be revered, honored, glorified in worship. But look at what has become of worship. Rock bands. Punk rock music. One musical group raised a huge cross on a stage. It was some spectacle. A sight to behold. It flashed blue. Then yellow. Then white. Red. A mist hovered below. Drums and guitars and lights and screams. Some show. Fashioned right to the pattern of a secular rock concert.
Myself, I don't want instruments when I worship with the saints. Several reasons. They are distracting. I want to hear the saints sing. I don't emphasize the quality of the sound, for if I sing from the heart, and sing in spirit, God hears a wonderful melody. Yes, I try to put forth my best, but I would never make it past the first week of American Idol. Forget The Voice, they'd lock me out. But the saints, they sing along with me. No competition.
Some of the verses I rely on to guide me in how I should worship God with the saints, include:
Leviticus 10:1-3
And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not.
And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.
Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the Lord spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Those who worship where MI's are used, that is their "eating." I do not judge them. It is between them and God.
I hope you are helped by my reply in your search for the truth.
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I wish you'd ask me about my situation rather than making an assumption without knowledge.
Kinda like you tell me you had the flu for 2 weeks. Then I say 'your fault for not going to the doctor'. Then you come back and say 'I did go to the doctor'. R u getting this.
A very long story short. I tried for years to get into the churches as an evangelist to preach. Most doors shut, out of the question with these self appointed hirelings, so I simply tried to get in with a song or 2 in hopes this would break the ice, no pun intended.
See: 'Which pastor' for a small sampling of what I was up against. The church is a closed shop. The arm of flesh dictates and reigns.
Kinda like you tell me you had the flu for 2 weeks. Then I say 'your fault for not going to the doctor'. Then you come back and say 'I did go to the doctor'. R u getting this.
A very long story short. I tried for years to get into the churches as an evangelist to preach. Most doors shut, out of the question with these self appointed hirelings, so I simply tried to get in with a song or 2 in hopes this would break the ice, no pun intended.
See: 'Which pastor' for a small sampling of what I was up against. The church is a closed shop. The arm of flesh dictates and reigns.
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They made salvation as the "reason/excuse" for the practice of circumcision, as many have "reasons/excuses' for using IM, yet that 'reason/excuse' did not hold up for it goes beyond what is written. If their excuse to use circumcision was "it's in the OT" and that did not hold up, then how will your excuse "it's in the OT" hold up either? Both "excuses" would be wrong for both go above/beyond that which is written.
I have not made up any rules but just trying to follow the rules God has given Christians to worship by without adding to those rules or taking from them.
God has not set man free to worship Him as man sees fit. "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Jn 4:23,24 The true worshipper worships according to "truth". What is truth? "Thy word is truth" Jn 17:17 so the true worshipper has a standard to follow when worshipping God: truth, God's word and therefore worship is not left up to man to decide.
No, they are not comparable, sorry your logic is flawed......they tied circumcision to salvation as part of salvation....using instruments to praise God is not tied to salvation and we have BIBLICAL proof of instruments in the OT, Jesus, Paul and others went to the synagogues in the N.T., Instruments in Revelation and in HEAVEN....so your COC dogma and logic is flawed....for once in your life admit the truth and start coming on line with the truth instead of a man made doctrine which is contrary!