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    So I was reading in my "Jesus Journal" (as I like to call it) and I came across some stuff that interested me. Here's some background before we get in to the actual Bible part of this post: You may have seen me refrence a church by the name of ICOC on here. Well while I was going there they wrote some notes in my journal. Some of these notes I took and some they took.That is what I am bringing in to question today. It's going to cover a lot of random topic so bear with me.

    Anything in this font I have taken directly from my notebook.

    1) "Emotions can stand in the way of listening well"
    What do you think of this statement?

    2)"No temptation has seized you except what is common to man." 1 Corinthians 10:13
    Can someone please explain this verse to me? I came across it and the notes alluded to the fact that you can stand under ANY temptation. But that makes no sense because we are sinners and if we could stand up under sin where is the need for Jesus then? Yes we don't have to be subject to sin but sometimes as humans we choose to because of our hearts and because we live in a fallen world...even Christians. Those are my thoughts on the subject. What are yours?

    3) "For nothing is impossible with God." Luke 1:37
    ex) Jess's friend has bipolar and anorexia --> beat it with Jesus and the Bible.

    This is something that drives me up a wall. People are like "Oh you're on medication? You're going to therapy? Well then you're not completely trusting in Jesus to save you." I feel like it's the same as a physical injury. If you were to one day start coughing up blood you wouldn't sit there and think "God will save me." No you go to the hospital. How is mental health any different? I am honestly curious about this.

    4) Don't excuse sin because of stress.
    In my notes it explains how Saul was put in a stressful situation and ended up sinning. I guess I don't really understand this because a) stress isn't always a bad thing and b) stress doesn't always lead to sin. So stress can lead to people acting irrational or saying things they don't mean. Is that considered sin and can it be controlled by everyone, even the mentally ill? I don't think it always can but I feel like everyone is different so it depends on their mental health.

    5) Don't use the excuse "you don't understand" Look for Gods way out. People can help without understanding.
    This one makes me really angry. "You don't understand" is not an excuse. It is a fact of life. either you do or you don't understand. If you do then you have a little mental tool box in your head of how to help. If not you're lacking that toolbox. Thoughts?

    That's all I have so far. All in all a lot of the notes seem to over-simplify Christianity and life in general. Life is not simple, neither is Christianity. There is a lot of complexities to it because we have a complex God. God is complex yet simple. That's how complex He is!!! So how can we say "Just do this and you'll be ok" when clearly that's not how it is at all?

    There will probably be more either in this thread or another.

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    I found another one!! (This kinda goes with #1)

    6) God looks at it as disobedience when we turn to our feelings.

    ​Thoughts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JFSurvivor View Post
    So I was reading in my "Jesus Journal" (as I like to call it) and I came across some stuff that interested me. Here's some background before we get in to the actual Bible part of this post: You may have seen me refrence a church by the name of ICOC on here. Well while I was going there they wrote some notes in my journal. Some of these notes I took and some they took.That is what I am bringing in to question today. It's going to cover a lot of random topic so bear with me.

    Anything in this font I have taken directly from my notebook.

    1) "Emotions can stand in the way of listening well"
    What do you think of this statement?
    Seems kind of dumb. So what? What can you really do about it? Try not to have emotions?

    2)"No temptation has seized you except what is common to man." 1 Corinthians 10:13
    Can someone please explain this verse to me? I came across it and the notes alluded to the fact that you can stand under ANY temptation. But that makes no sense because we are sinners and if we could stand up under sin where is the need for Jesus then? Yes we don't have to be subject to sin but sometimes as humans we choose to because of our hearts and because we live in a fallen world...even Christians. Those are my thoughts on the subject. What are yours?
    You are not going through anything that other people before you have not also gone through. If any of them have made it then so can you, through Christ. (even famous people)
    3) "For nothing is impossible with God." Luke 1:37
    ex) Jess's friend has bipolar and anorexia --> beat it with Jesus and the Bible.

    This is something that drives me up a wall. People are like "Oh you're on medication? You're going to therapy? Well then you're not completely trusting in Jesus to save you." I feel like it's the same as a physical injury. If you were to one day start coughing up blood you wouldn't sit there and think "God will save me." No you go to the hospital. How is mental health any different? I am honestly curious about this.
    Nothing is impossible with God. Even curing someone through use of a doctor.

    But it may be Gods Will for people to go through certain things for their good. Maybe not their earthly good.
    4) Don't excuse sin because of stress.
    In my notes it explains how Saul was put in a stressful situation and ended up sinning. I guess I don't really understand this because a) stress isn't always a bad thing and b) stress doesn't always lead to sin. So stress can lead to people acting irrational or saying things they don't mean. Is that considered sin and can it be controlled by everyone, even the mentally ill? I don't think it always can but I feel like everyone is different so it depends on their mental health.
    I would say just don't excuse sin. I didn't know stress was used as an excuse. It seems like a really poor one to me.

    5) Don't use the excuse "you don't understand" Look for Gods way out. People can help without understanding.
    This one makes me really angry. "You don't understand" is not an excuse. It is a fact of life. either you do or you don't understand. If you do then you have a little mental tool box in your head of how to help. If not you're lacking that toolbox. Thoughts?
    Excuse for what? For anything? Seems like a pretty good one to me. How are you going to do something if you don't understand how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFSurvivor View Post
    I found another one!! (This kinda goes with #1)

    6) God looks at it as disobedience when we turn to our feelings.

    ​Thoughts?

    The Joy of the Lord is our Strength...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa View Post
    The Joy of the Lord is our Strength...
    Can you elaborate please?

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    You are so young and innocent, I pray that God would cover you with his grace. Rest in Jesus Christ.
    "Little children love one another. " St John the Beloved.
    Do not go after every new fad, or revelation, make your foundation the Word of God (Jesus Christ) so that you can never be led astray.

    Christ be with you always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernon View Post
    You are so young and innocent, I pray that God would cover you with his grace. Rest in Jesus Christ.
    "Little children love one another. " St John the Beloved.
    Do not go after every new fad, or revelation, make your foundation the Word of God (Jesus Christ) so that you can never be led astray.

    Christ be with you always.
    Thank you. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFSurvivor View Post
    1) "Emotions can stand in the way of listening well"
    What do you think of this statement?

    It's easy to let our emotions affect our thinking, and often to our own detriment. I see so many people, for example, say 'God told me i'm supposed to be with X person', which is rarely the case. It's their emotions affecting their judgment.
    Or think about when you're in an argument with someone. Your emotions are high and how good are you at listening to what the other person has to say? Or does it require you to calm down first before seeing things their way?


    2)"No temptation has seized you except what is common to man." 1 Corinthians 10:13
    Can someone please explain this verse to me? I came across it and the notes alluded to the fact that you can stand under ANY temptation. But that makes no sense because we are sinners and if we could stand up under sin where is the need for Jesus then? Yes we don't have to be subject to sin but sometimes as humans we choose to because of our hearts and because we live in a fallen world...even Christians. Those are my thoughts on the subject. What are yours?

    Well, notice it says 'except what is common to man'. To me this all says that your temptations are nothing new.

    3) "For nothing is impossible with God." Luke 1:37
    ex) Jess's friend has bipolar and anorexia --> beat it with Jesus and the Bible.

    This is something that drives me up a wall. People are like "Oh you're on medication? You're going to therapy? Well then you're not completely trusting in Jesus to save you." I feel like it's the same as a physical injury. If you were to one day start coughing up blood you wouldn't sit there and think "God will save me." No you go to the hospital. How is mental health any different? I am honestly curious about this.

    It's not different, just some people love double standards. And for the even smaller group who do believe it applies to both, rarely do they live this out. And for the smaller yet group that tries to live it out, they end up dead, or letting their children die.

    4) Don't excuse sin because of stress.
    In my notes it explains how Saul was put in a stressful situation and ended up sinning. I guess I don't really understand this because a) stress isn't always a bad thing and b) stress doesn't always lead to sin. So stress can lead to people acting irrational or saying things they don't mean. Is that considered sin and can it be controlled by everyone, even the mentally ill? I don't think it always can but I feel like everyone is different so it depends on their mental health.

    Saying sin doesn't excuse stress does not imply that stress always leads to sin. It says that when you do stress don't be lead to sin as a result.
    When is stress a good thing?


    5) Don't use the excuse "you don't understand" Look for Gods way out. People can help without understanding.
    This one makes me really angry. "You don't understand" is not an excuse. It is a fact of life. either you do or you don't understand. If you do then you have a little mental tool box in your head of how to help. If not you're lacking that toolbox. Thoughts?
    This one was a little confusing to me as to what you're asking.

    Six just sounds more religious than anything else. Yet another way for people to find a way to use God to condemn those around them, as you see often on this site.
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    Give me a heart for repentance and make it stay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly View Post
    This one was a little confusing to me as to what you're asking.

    Six just sounds more religious than anything else. Yet another way for people to find a way to use God to condemn those around them, as you see often on this site.
    Ok lemme seeif I can clarify #5 for you. Basically if someone doesn't understand what you're going through and tries to help anyways you should do what they say. Here's the story behind that: I was dealing with a lot of my PTSD and I thought I could go and confide in Jess. She clearly did NOT understand what I was going through. So I think she thought that when I told her that she didn't understand I was using that as an excuse to refuse advice. Make sense?

    Also a note on #2: The way they presented it to me was "well everyone else has gone through this and their fine. They resisted so you should too."

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    The Bible assures us: “God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out in order for you to be able to endure it.” (1 Cor. 10:13) What do those words imply?
    For God to make sure that we are not tempted beyond what we can bear, he has to know everything about us, including the challenges we face, our individual makeup, and just how much we can take. Does God really know us that well? Yes. The Scriptures reveal that God knows each of us intimately. He is familiar with our daily routine and habits. He can even discern our thoughts and the intentions of our heart.—Read Psalm 139:1-6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRC View Post
    The Bible assures us: “God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out in order for you to be able to endure it.” (1 Cor. 10:13) What do those words imply?
    For God to make sure that we are not tempted beyond what we can bear, he has to know everything about us, including the challenges we face, our individual makeup, and just how much we can take. Does God really know us that well? Yes. The Scriptures reveal that God knows each of us intimately. He is familiar with our daily routine and habits. He can even discern our thoughts and the intentions of our heart.—Read Psalm 139:1-6.
    So does this mean we can go without sinning...like forever?

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    The context of Luke 1:37 reveals the angel Gabriel’s message to Mary that she would bear a child without sexual intercourse. An impossibility indeed! But not so! She did conceive and gave birth long awaited Messiah!!
    To Mary what seemed impossible did become a miraculous reality!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFSurvivor View Post
    So I was reading in my "Jesus Journal" (as I like to call it) and I came across some stuff that interested me. Here's some background before we get in to the actual Bible part of this post: You may have seen me refrence a church by the name of ICOC on here. Well while I was going there they wrote some notes in my journal. Some of these notes I took and some they took.That is what I am bringing in to question today. It's going to cover a lot of random topic so bear with me.

    Anything in this font I have taken directly from my notebook.

    1) "Emotions can stand in the way of listening well"
    What do you think of this statement?

    2)"No temptation has seized you except what is common to man." 1 Corinthians 10:13
    Can someone please explain this verse to me? I came across it and the notes alluded to the fact that you can stand under ANY temptation. But that makes no sense because we are sinners and if we could stand up under sin where is the need for Jesus then? Yes we don't have to be subject to sin but sometimes as humans we choose to because of our hearts and because we live in a fallen world...even Christians. Those are my thoughts on the subject. What are yours?

    3) "For nothing is impossible with God." Luke 1:37
    ex) Jess's friend has bipolar and anorexia --> beat it with Jesus and the Bible.

    This is something that drives me up a wall. People are like "Oh you're on medication? You're going to therapy? Well then you're not completely trusting in Jesus to save you." I feel like it's the same as a physical injury. If you were to one day start coughing up blood you wouldn't sit there and think "God will save me." No you go to the hospital. How is mental health any different? I am honestly curious about this.

    4) Don't excuse sin because of stress.
    In my notes it explains how Saul was put in a stressful situation and ended up sinning. I guess I don't really understand this because a) stress isn't always a bad thing and b) stress doesn't always lead to sin. So stress can lead to people acting irrational or saying things they don't mean. Is that considered sin and can it be controlled by everyone, even the mentally ill? I don't think it always can but I feel like everyone is different so it depends on their mental health.

    5) Don't use the excuse "you don't understand" Look for Gods way out. People can help without understanding.
    This one makes me really angry. "You don't understand" is not an excuse. It is a fact of life. either you do or you don't understand. If you do then you have a little mental tool box in your head of how to help. If not you're lacking that toolbox. Thoughts?

    That's all I have so far. All in all a lot of the notes seem to over-simplify Christianity and life in general. Life is not simple, neither is Christianity. There is a lot of complexities to it because we have a complex God. God is complex yet simple. That's how complex He is!!! So how can we say "Just do this and you'll be ok" when clearly that's not how it is at all?

    There will probably be more either in this thread or another.

    Thanks!
    JF,

    IMO, Church of Christ is a dangerous cult.

    All of the statements #1-6 including your next post are valid statements from Scripture; but COC tends to expound on them in deceitful ways. IMO you would do better to find a church which is doctrinally sound.
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    17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
    JF,

    IMO, Church of Christ is a dangerous cult.

    All of the statements #1-6 including your next post are valid statements from Scripture; but COC tends to expound on them in deceitful ways. IMO you would do better to find a church which is doctrinally sound.
    don't worry. I'm not going there any more

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
    JF,

    IMO, Church of Christ is a dangerous cult.

    All of the statements #1-6 including your next post are valid statements from Scripture; but COC tends to expound on them in deceitful ways. IMO you would do better to find a church which is doctrinally sound.
    hey um...could you possibly explain those quotes in a way that doesn't make me feel miserable? Please? There have already been a lot of good responses but I also would like your take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa View Post
    The Joy of the Lord is our Strength...
    I really...woah..Just you posting that made me think. the joy of the Lord is our strength..Myself included, we tend to try and find our source of strength in other things but it says the joy of the Lord is our strength...I'd really like to grasp that.
    Thanks, i'll be thinking about that one today as I work.
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    Originally Posted by GrandpaThe Joy of the Lord is our Strength...
    Quote Originally Posted by JFSurvivor View Post
    Can you elaborate please?

    I was showing that #6 is a false statement.

    We can turn to the Joy of the Lord and it is not disobedience. We can turn to the Peace that passes all understanding and that is not disobedience. We can turn to the Love of God and that is not disobedience.

    Why give us this new heart of flesh if it causes our disobedience? Answer; it doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa View Post
    I was showing that #6 is a false statement.

    We can turn to the Joy of the Lord and it is not disobedience. We can turn to the Peace that passes all understanding and that is not disobedience. We can turn to the Love of God and that is not disobedience.

    Why give us this new heart of flesh if it causes our disobedience? Answer; it doesn't.
    Thank you! :-)

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    You're welcome.

    I hope I helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa View Post
    You're welcome.

    I hope I helped.
    You did. :-)

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