Beware of Armstrongism

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Hi All,

On more than one occasion, I've encountered Armstrongites on this forum. Some of them have made derogatory remarks about my posts, and identified themselves as such.

I would like to warn the rest of the users about this destructive and false belief system. I was an Armstrongite so I know their doctrinal position well. I'd also like to beg those who are caught up in this to re-examine their position critically and ask themselves if it really reflects sound doctrine.

Herbert Armstrong was the origin of these false teachings. He derived his doctrine from a mixture of Seventh Day Adventism, Mormons, and Jehovahs Witness theology. From the Seventh Day Adventists, he obtained his teachings on Saturday Sabbath observance. From the Mormons, he obtained his teaching that man is a God being in embryonic form. From the Jehovah's Witnesses, he obtained his teaching of the spirit resurrection, which denies the bodily resurrection and teaches a "spirit resurrection" instead. A more complete listing of his teachings will be included below.

Organizations which came from Armstrongism and teach elements of his heresy include The Philadelphia Church of God (Gerald Flurry), The Restored Church of God (David Pack), Living Church of God (Roderick Meredith), Intercontinental Church of God (Garner Ted Armstrong), United Church of God, Church of God's Faithful (Robert G. Ardis), Independent Church of God (Ronald Dart), Church of God, An International Community (David Hulme), Christian Biblical Church of God (Fred Coulter), The Church of God - PKG (Ron Weinland), House of Yahweh (Yisrayl Hawkins), God's Church, Worldwide (David Moore), Church of God - A Faithful Flock (Alton Billingsley), and Church of God - A Worldwide Organization.

I was a member of Worldwide Church of God for about 10 years under these false teachings. I want to describe the process of accepting these "truths" so you are aware of the danger.

First, you become indoctrinated into the idea that the Seventh Day Sabbath, annual festivals, and clean/unclean meat laws apply to you as a seeker or believer. Unfortunately, due to the ambiguity of traditional Christianity on this subject, younger or less experienced Christians fall for this idea easily. Many within traditional Christianity itself teaches that the Ten Commandments as a whole apply to everyone. They think the day switched from Saturday to Sunday, but they still think that the Sabbath still applies to everyone due to their assertion that it is a moral absolute, rather than a sign of the Old Covenant. They also fail to teach that the Old Covenant applied to ancient Israel and not New Covenant Christians. There is much ambiguity on this topic, and this ambiguity has created an opportunity for Armstrongism to develop.

Second, you become indoctrinated into the idea that the whole world, including Orthodox Christianity, is deceived by Satan, including orthodox Christianity. Because of your new-found knowledge, you and your group alone possess 'the truth'. Orthodox Christianity is viewed as a bunch of unconverted, bumbling idiots who know nothing. They are non-Sabbathkeepers who are still in their sins, and have nothing to teach you. Therefore, you reject any source that could correct your errant belief system. The fact that you know 'the truth' appeals to your sinful nature, as the essence of sin is pride. Most Armstrongites are totally absorbed into intellectual pride and superiority. This increases your enslavery to this false belief system.

Third, you accept doctrines that are even more aberrant because you give great credibility to the source who convinced you of Sabbathkeeping. You are totally ensnared into many false beliefs that you would not have accepted if you had seen the whole picture at the beginning.

Other elements of Herbert Armstrong's teachings include the following:

  • British - American Israelitism - the claim that Western Europeans and Americans are physical descendants of the "lost ten tribes of Israel". This doctrine was used to strengthen the argument requiring Sabbathkeeping for most individuals who were a part of the church, since they were largely white people of Western European descent. It also created a situation where most of the prophecies in the Bible applied to white people of European descent. Prophecy was a big part of Worldwide Church of God theology.
  • God Family Doctrine - the claim that God is a "family" into which converted human beings would be born into, with the full nature and powers of God. Christians were considered to be literal sons of God in this sense, to be born into the Kingdom at the resurrection as a full-fledged God being. Speculation was that they would have their own planet and be worshipped like a God by other human beings at some point. This doctrine denied the fact that Christians have eternal life now. The focus tended to be on the 'not yet' Scriptures of the 'already but not yet' status of believers.
  • Apostolic Authority - Herbert Armstrong claimed to be God's apostle or sole authority on Earth. He restored true Christianity to mankind after a 1900 year void in spiritual knowledge, much like Joseph Smith claimed as the founder of the Mormon church. He also claimed to be a prophet by calling himself the Elijah to Come. He prophecied the return of Jesus Christ in 1975, which obviously failed to come true, clearly identifying himself as a false prophet. Unfortunately I did not know the details of this until I was already indoctrinated, and his prophecy was misrepresented to me as a speculation rather than a prophecy.
  • View of the Bible - The Bible was written in a coded manner that required putting verses together from different places in the Bible to arrive at sound doctrine. The hermeneutic used to justify this was Isaiah 28:10. If he simply read down to verse 13, he would see that the result of this verse wasn't a good one. The classical error that Herbert Armstrong was engaging in was "collapsing the context"....connecting two unrelated verses in different contexts to create a doctrine.
  • Rejection of Orthodox Christianity - Cults must create suspicion about traditional Christianity and Church History in order to make their erroneous assertions by nature. Herbert Armstrong was no different. Besides portraying other Christians as antinomians which are unconcerned with obedience, he characterized them as blind leaders of the blind.
  • Trinity Doctrine - He rejected well-founded Christian doctrines such as the Trinity as being of pagan origin. The biblical basis for the Trinity doctrine is solid, and I would encourage anyone who doubts this to read Forgotten Trinity by James White.
  • Conspiracy Theories involving Church History - In addition, in order to assert the Sabbathkeeping doctrine, suspicion was created by a distortion of the history of the migration from Saturday observance to Sunday observance. The Emperor Constantine is often blamed for this switch, along with the Roman Catholic church. The reality is that the switch occurred long before that, around 90 AD or earlier, when Christians were no longer welcome in the synagogue due to anti-Christian resistance from the Jews. Christians would often go to the synagogue to hear the Scriptures read on Saturday, and meet by themselves on Sunday to discuss these Scriptures from a Christian standpoint. It was a natural thing for them to begin meeting themselves on Sunday, as they were not parties to the Old Covenant anyways.
  • Legalism - Besides adherence to the Saturday Sabbath, Armstrong taught that Christians needed to observe the festivals of Leviticus 23, clean and unclean meat laws, and a system of tithing which allocated about 23% of one's gross income to devotional purposes. This created a serious bind financially amongst the membership. The funny thing is that the pastors did not tithe, so they subjected others to burdens that they themselves did not bear. This reminds me of the Pharisees and Christ's statement in Matthew 23:4. In addition, the Church was inconsistent in its assertions. For example, they claimed that Colossians 2:16-7 was teaching Sabbathkeeping rather than refuting it, but there are problems with that view. One problem is that it's ignoring the context of the rest of the verses around it and the context of the book itself. The other problem is that they did not observe New Moons which were commanded by the same verse.
  • Rejection of holidays with pagan origin - Christmas and Easter were rejected as pagan. I know this is an issue with many different Christians outside of Armstrongism, so I have some level of sympathy for anyone who holds this position. However, for me, Christmas simply means getting together with family for fellowship and there is nothing pagan about it. In addition, Easter simply means going to church, and inviting an unsaved friend to attend, as the message is about salvation generally on Easter. If God is going to throw me in hell for that, so be it. I don't hunt easter eggs or do anything with bunnies anyways. This reminds me of another thing about Armstrongism...when the Church had Pentecost calculated wrongly, and were observing it on the wrong day, the Church strongly insisted that God was merciful and would overlook such mistakes, but somehow their doctrinal intolerance did not extend to others outside of their circle..hmmmmm. Sounds like a double standard. Legalists want God to be merciful to them, but not to others.
  • Virtual Universalism - Armstrongism teaches that not all are called now, but only a select few individuals, church members, who will be priests and kings in the Millenial reign of Jesus Christ. This is a very dangerous doctrinal position. It implies that today is not the day of salvation, and is a disincentive for evangelizing. In their view, these chosen individuals (again, appealing to human vanity of Armstrongites) are going to guide others into following God in a subsequent resurrection that occurs after the Millennium. A few will reject salvation and be destroyed in the lake of fire, but the majority of mankind will accept salvation during this 100-year period following the Millennium. They call this period of time 'the judgment'. The Bible refutes this idea by stating that the vast majority are on the path of destruction.
  • Annihilationism Annihilationism is the doctrinal position that denies eternal torment for those who are lost, but specifies that punishment will be temporary. I am not going to get into this point too much. Suffice it to say that I think both positions, eternal torment and annihilationism, have some reasonable basis in the Scripture and I neither deny or affirm either one of them. Some Christians consider annihilationism to be a damnable heresy but I do not put it on this level. John Stott, a famous theologian who is well respected in evangelical circles, was an annihilationist.
  • Soul Sleep - This is the position that the dead are not conscious until the resurrection, either to eternal life or eternal death. This is another doctrinal position that I hold no position on. Scriptures seem to indicate either position, and Martin Luther held the position of soul sleep from my understanding.
  • Spirit Resurrection Herbert Armstrong held the position that Christ did not have a resurrection body but that he manifested a physical body at the resurrection. The bodily resurrection is a fundamental doctrine of Christianity. Scripture uses the phrase 'spiritual body' to describe the resurrection body..the Greek word is pneumatikos. Spiritual does not mean composed of spirit, though. It is a glorified physical body which has been changed to be incorruptible and to have different characteristics than the body we currently have. Armstrong denied the bodily resurrection of Christ. If his view was correct, the physical corpse of Christ should have been in the tomb, and we all know that's a primary evidence that he was resurrected. In fact, there is no need for a resurrection unless it involves the physical body. This is a position that he seems to have obtained from Jehovah's Witnesses theology.

The basic purpose of preparing this post is to warn others on the forum that they should be careful about accepting unorthodox doctrines blindly. Also, realize that underneath the argument which seems reasonable, like a tasty worm seems to a fish, may be a hook that will ensnare you.

A secondary purpose is to beg those who are holding such views to examine them critically. If you are under Armstrongism, you are in the snare of the devil. You might be saved, but you are in the snare of the devil when it comes to doctrinal issues. I suspect most aren't saved at all.

II Timothy 2: [SUP]23 [/SUP]Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And the Lord's servant[SUP][e][/SUP] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, [SUP]25 [/SUP]correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, [SUP]26 [/SUP]and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

Armstrongism is all about foolish, ignorant controversies. That's its foundation. Herbert Armstrong was a contentious, quarrelsome man who denied sound doctrine. Instead of focusing on Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith, he focused on legalistic nonsense and speculative doctrines and prophecies. Ask yourself if your message is on Jesus Christ and him crucified, or is it on legalistic nonsense and speculative doctrines and prophecies. What was the apostle Paul focused on? Some secret gospel or Jesus Christ? Read Scriptures below.

I can provide guidance on refuting elements of this belief system if anyone wants it.

Robert

I Corinthians 15 Now I would remind you, brothers,[SUP][a][/SUP] of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, [SUP]2 [/SUP]and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, [SUP]4 [/SUP]that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
 
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I think you need help.
 
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Why would you say that, Willie ?

If he sincerely believes that this Herbert W Armstrong mob and their offshoots are cultish and mislead many,
and he has gone to a lot of trouble to document what he perceives to be their theological shortcomings ..
why would you be so curt and sarcastic and dismissive ?
 
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Why would you say that, Willie ?

If he sincerely believes that this Herbert W Armstrong mob and their offshoots are cultish and mislead many,
and he has gone to a lot of trouble to document what he perceives to be their theological shortcomings ..
why would you be so curt and sarcastic and dismissive ?
Joseph Smith went to a lot of trouble to create a whole religion. Does that sincerity make him right?

I see this guy as more than a little obsessed, and I think he needs some help dealing with that.
 
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I am obssessed..with Jesus Christ and the true Gospel. And I do not apologize :)
 
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Joseph Smith went to a lot of trouble to create a whole religion. Does that sincerity make him right?
I see this guy as more than a little obsessed, and I think he needs some help dealing with that.
Firstly, I doubt Smith's 'sincerity'. I suspect he was a randy, egocentric, power-freak nutter.

The difference is that Sparky is not trying to flog another 'ism'. In fact, he's providing all his reasoning for not doing so.

Unless you are involved with one of the many Armstrong off-shoots, I cannot see why you would object to his passion in exposing their crap theology - thus preventing others from being sucked in.
 
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No one asked you to apologize, Spark. I just said I think you would benefit from seeking some help. Jesus told us to tell the world about Him, not focus on HWA.
 

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I keep the 7th day Sabbath and I've never heard of Herbert Armstrong.

Just thought I'd share.
 

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From all I've read in Herbert Armstrong's material, he is dead wrong, and many are easily deceived. And there ARE the same messages going forth today on this forum. And the teachings appeal to the prideful intelligence of man (loving debates) but never to the grace of Jesus. If you go even further with Armstrong's teachings, you will find a religion based on works alone.

I'm not a person who likes to see people or different perspectives on faith criticized here, but this time I think Sparkman gave a good warning.

Truth versus error.
 

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I was also a member of the WWCOG when I was a young man. It was exhausting trying to keep all of the rules and regulations HWA imposed on the "church." All of the feast days and all of the special tithes. We also couldn't celebrate Christmas, Easter, or our birthdays.

I am so grateful to God for leading me out of there.
 
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From all I've read in Herbert Armstrong's material, he is dead wrong, and many are easily deceived. And there ARE the same messages going forth today on this forum. And the teachings appeal to the prideful intelligence of man (loving debates) but never to the grace of Jesus. If you go even further with Armstrong's teachings, you will find a religion based on works alone.

I'm not a person who likes to see people or different perspectives on faith criticized here, but this time I think Sparkman gave a good warning.

Truth versus error.
yes, "a good warning", but applied to all the religions. for instance - rejecting the pagan holidays and rituals is something every child of God does; but not all religions do - a lot of religions practice and preach and teach that pagan rituals are okay, and even teach that they are more important than God's directions.

so go back to GOD'S WORD - the STANDARD. the only STANDARD.
 
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I keep the 7th day Sabbath and I've never heard of Herbert Armstrong.

Just thought I'd share.
Yes, I know we've interacted a bit in the past. I have no issues with someone who keeps the Saturday Sabbath due to their own preferences, and doesn't consider it a condition of salvation or look down upon other Christians as inferior or possessing the Mark of the Beast. Armstrongism is different and involved much more than Sabbathkeeping.
 
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I was also a member of the WWCOG when I was a young man. It was exhausting trying to keep all of the rules and regulations HWA imposed on the "church." All of the feast days and all of the special tithes. We also couldn't celebrate Christmas, Easter, or our birthdays.

I am so grateful to God for leading me out of there.
This is interesting. Which years were you involved? I was involved 1985 to about 2002. The church changes occurred about 1995.

By the way I know church kids who are atheist or agnostic today after seeing hypocrisy in the church. HWA apparently was using doctors while the membership was told it was a lack of faith. It basically wrecked the faith of one lady I know after she attended Ambassador College and witnessed this sort of hypocrisy amongst church leadership.
 
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yes, "a good warning", but applied to all the religions. for instance - rejecting the pagan holidays and rituals is something every child of God does; but not all religions do - a lot of religions practice and preach and teach that pagan rituals are okay, and even teach that they are more important than God's directions.

so go back to GOD'S WORD - the STANDARD. the only STANDARD.
If you're speaking of the Sabbath and Holy Days, those are part of the Old Covenant and are not binding upon Christians. The parties to the Old Covenant are God and Israel, and the Old Covenant ended with Christ's death.

Galatians 3 is particularly plain on this. Document explaining this attached.
 

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On more than one occasion, I've encountered Armstrongites on this forum. Some of them have made derogatory remarks about my posts, and identified themselves as such.

oh that's all...for a second there, I thought you said you had encountered vegemite
 
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GOD'S WORD tells enough and sufficient of and for GOD'S Sabbath etc...(for those seeking HIM)....
i.e. your experience hasn't been 'good', but GOD can and will turn it to good for everyone(you included in everyone) who loves HIM, who are called according to HIS purpose...

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"a good warning", >>> applys to all the religions. for instance - rejecting the pagan holidays and rituals is something every child of God does; but not all religions do - a lot of religion practice and preach and teach that pagan rituals are okay, and even teach that they are more important than God's directions.
If you're speaking of the Sabbath and Holy Days,......
 
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GOD'S WORD tells enough and sufficient of and for GOD'S Sabbath etc...(for those seeking HIM)....
i.e. your experience hasn't been 'good', but GOD can and will turn it to good for everyone(you included in everyone) who loves HIM, who are called according to HIS purpose...

the other>>
"a good warning", >>> applys to all the religions. for instance - rejecting the pagan holidays and rituals is something every child of God does; but not all religions do - a lot of religion practice and preach and teach that pagan rituals are okay, and even teach that they are more important than God's directions.
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the nation of Israel (Ex. 31:12-17). The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant (Ex 31:18, 34:28; Deut 4:13, 9:9, 11). The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for anyone (2 Cor 3:4-18, Gal 3:17-25, Heb 8:13-9:4). The Sabbath, therefore, is not in effect for anyone (Gal 4:10, Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17). Christians are under the New Covenant, which has higher demands and different commandments (Luke 22:20, Heb 9:15; Jn 13:34, 15:12, 17; Rom 13:10). The chief of those commandments is to love others as Christ loved us (Jn 13:34).


Enough said :)

 

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The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the nation of Israel (Ex. 31:12-17).The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant (Ex 31:18, 34:28; Deut 4:13, 9:9, 11).The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for anyone (2 Cor 3:4-18, Gal 3:17-25, Heb 8:13-9:4).The Sabbath, therefore, is not in effect for anyone (Gal 4:10, Rom 14:5-6, Col 2:16-17).Christians are under the New Covenant, which has higher demands and different commandments (Luke 22:20, Heb 9:15; Jn 13:34, 15:12, 17; Rom 13:10).The chief of those commandments is to love others as Christ loved us (Jn 13:34).Enough said...
hardly.... (it's your own fault!).... (you ignored that all of God's People are right to reject the pagan holidays... why? are you keeping pagan holidays now?)

who first kept the sabbath ?
 
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hardly.... (it's your own fault!).... (you ignored that all of God's People are right to reject the pagan holidays... why? are you keeping pagan holidays now?)

who first kept the sabbath ?
What is my own fault?

One, it seems like you are denying the Christianity of anyone who observes Christmas and Easter. That's a pretty bold proclamation. Who are you to wrap yourself in the robes of a judge and make this proclamation?

Two, the first time the word Sabbath is mentioned is in the context of Israel and God. God did cease creating on the seventh day of the creation week, but there's no indication that rest was required for any man until the time of Moses. It was not introduced until Exodus 16, after God had marched them from Egypt to The wilderness of Sin for over a month. Do you think God would have marched them on each of those four or five Sabbaths if Sabbathbreaking was a moral absolute? Would God have caused them to sin each of those four or five Sabbaths by marching if the Sabbath was a moral absolute? In addition, why were priests permitted to work on the Sabbath if the Sabbath was a moral absolute? Being a priest on the Sabbath was hard work due to the animal sacrificing and other work involved.

Matt 12:5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless?

What about the fact that Sabbath-breaking is not mentioned in any of the sin lists of the New Testament to the Gentiles? This is a conspicuous absence.
 
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Fascinating debate, and definitely involving some very knowledgeable & sincere individual! I am of the opinion that we have not YET seen "the group" with correct answers to all of the pertinent questions! Armstrong (HWA), from what I have learned, went totally "off the rails" back in the 70's or 80's, and seems to be a great example of how "human beings' ruin everything they touch. But HWA was far from wrong about everything, either! Since I have adopted the approach of learning from ANYONE that I can (within reason of course), I have been a lot more balanced, happy, AND fulfilled as, sometimes (not always - of course) the person with the MOST misunderstood or misguided view CAN be the one from which you can learn the most FROM!
I am recommending the following video entitled the "Armstrongism Cult"...which I think is QUITE helpful, but DON'T bother (with this OR any other video) if you expect to be able to either agree FULLY or DISAGREE fully...I think we should ALL put the WORD first, and let the chips fall wherever they may!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I87FxWWTDo4

...to His SOON return!