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re: Beware of Armstrongism
Regarding this topic, I'd like to add a little more information.
Herbert Armstrong taught that all other churches, especially non-Sabbathkeeping ones, were following a counterfeit Christianity and were so-called believers, not true Christians. Because of their failure to keep the Saturday Sabbath, they were under the Mark of the Beast and are not true Christians.
Seventh Day Adventists hold a similar teaching, and this is not coincidental. Seventh Day Adventists and Armstrongites share common ancestry. In addition, many other Sabbathkeepers hold a similar view that non-Sabbathkeepers are following a fake Christianity and are under the Mark of the Beast.
Herbert Armstrong claimed that he got his theology via direct revelation, but much if not all of his unique peculiarities came from other sources. For instance, his belief that Sunday goers are under the Mark of the Beast ultimately came from a man named Joseph Bates, who became one of the four founders of the Seventh Day Adventist church. Joseph Bates taught that the Seal of God was Saturday Sabbathkeeping, and that the Mark of the Beast was Sabbath-breaking. Christendom, as a whole, did not observe the Saturday Sabbath, so they were following a counterfeit Christianity and were so-called Christians, not true Christians.
Church of God - Seventh Day broke off from the parent organization of the Seventh Day Adventist church due to Ellen G. White's prophetess status. They continued to believe this Mark of the Beast teaching of Joseph Bates.
Armstrong became convinced of Sabbathkeeping following his wife's interaction with lay leaders of Church of God - Seventh Day. Armstrong became a pastor with them after being convinced of Sabbathkeeping, partly due to his wife's interaction with a friend of hers, a female lay leader from Church of God - Seventh Day.
Armstrong was taught this Mark of the Beast and counterfeit Christianity doctrine from them. Armstrong was disfellowshipped from Church of God - Seventh day due to his teachings regarding British Israelism and keeping the annual festivals.
There are Armstrongites on this group that believe non-Sabbathkeepers are following a counterfeit Christianity and are under the Mark of the Beast. They do not like it that I expose the teachings of Armstrongism, so I get some flack over this, including accusations that I don't know what I'm talking about or I am not telling the truth.
Simply do these two google searches and you will see many links from ex Worldwide Church of God members and current Armstrongites that will prove the reliability of my assertions:
"Herbert Armstrong" "so-called"
"Herbert Armstrong" counterfeit Christianity
Encase your google search in double quotes as indicated above so that you will narrow the results down to a manageable level.
Herbert Armstrong constantly referred to non-Sabbathkeeping Christians as "so-called Christians" and constantly referred to them as "conterfeit Christianity". He would publicly state this on his television program so it is no secret.
Armstrongites believe that they alone possess "the truth", just like any of the major cults like Jehovah's Witnesses. They believe everyone else is deceived.
They believe God has called them in their "first lifetime" and that they are going to be priests and kings in the Millennium, as well as full God beings, in the resurrection. They will rule over whoever is still alive after the Great Tribulation. Everyone else receives their opportunity in a "second lifetime" where they will no longer be blinded to "the truth".
The system seems real to them because they've been led through the indoctrination. Their worldview appears coherent to them, but in reality it is not.
One of the reasons they deny the Trinity is because they believe that God is a family, into which they will be born into at the resurrection. In other words, they are God in embryonic form. They can be aborted at any time as a spiritual fetus if they turn away from their religion, but if they become perfect through a lifetime of obedience, they will become God beings.
I am bringing this up again due to reading an exchange between two Armstrongites on this forum discussing how you guys will be glad that you knew them when they are ruling over you in the Millennium, or in the period they call the "judgment" when the majority of mankind is resurrected and given their opportunity for salvation. Because you don't speak "Armstrongese" you may not recognize what they are claiming, but I do speak it, so I am exposing it when I see it.
I can't change the fact that I wasted over a decade involved in nuttiness, but I will expose nuttiness so that others don't fall for it when I can.
There is no really serious focus on Jesus Christ and him crucified in Armstrongism, which is the true Gospel. Placing one's faith in Him for salvation is the consistent teaching of Jesus Christ and the apostles, not adherence to the Old Covenant ceremonial and ritualistic laws.
You will find with these sorts of people that their focus is not on Jesus Christ. Ultimately it is on something else..lawkeeping or their prophetess or something else. Don't let yourself be fooled...that's my earnest advice. I wish I had that decade of my life back. God is good and he brought me out of it, though. He's given me work to do and I am going to do it until he calls me home. I am going to point to Jesus, not some phoney deceptive Gospel.
Regarding this topic, I'd like to add a little more information.
Herbert Armstrong taught that all other churches, especially non-Sabbathkeeping ones, were following a counterfeit Christianity and were so-called believers, not true Christians. Because of their failure to keep the Saturday Sabbath, they were under the Mark of the Beast and are not true Christians.
Seventh Day Adventists hold a similar teaching, and this is not coincidental. Seventh Day Adventists and Armstrongites share common ancestry. In addition, many other Sabbathkeepers hold a similar view that non-Sabbathkeepers are following a fake Christianity and are under the Mark of the Beast.
Herbert Armstrong claimed that he got his theology via direct revelation, but much if not all of his unique peculiarities came from other sources. For instance, his belief that Sunday goers are under the Mark of the Beast ultimately came from a man named Joseph Bates, who became one of the four founders of the Seventh Day Adventist church. Joseph Bates taught that the Seal of God was Saturday Sabbathkeeping, and that the Mark of the Beast was Sabbath-breaking. Christendom, as a whole, did not observe the Saturday Sabbath, so they were following a counterfeit Christianity and were so-called Christians, not true Christians.
Church of God - Seventh Day broke off from the parent organization of the Seventh Day Adventist church due to Ellen G. White's prophetess status. They continued to believe this Mark of the Beast teaching of Joseph Bates.
Armstrong became convinced of Sabbathkeeping following his wife's interaction with lay leaders of Church of God - Seventh Day. Armstrong became a pastor with them after being convinced of Sabbathkeeping, partly due to his wife's interaction with a friend of hers, a female lay leader from Church of God - Seventh Day.
Armstrong was taught this Mark of the Beast and counterfeit Christianity doctrine from them. Armstrong was disfellowshipped from Church of God - Seventh day due to his teachings regarding British Israelism and keeping the annual festivals.
There are Armstrongites on this group that believe non-Sabbathkeepers are following a counterfeit Christianity and are under the Mark of the Beast. They do not like it that I expose the teachings of Armstrongism, so I get some flack over this, including accusations that I don't know what I'm talking about or I am not telling the truth.
Simply do these two google searches and you will see many links from ex Worldwide Church of God members and current Armstrongites that will prove the reliability of my assertions:
"Herbert Armstrong" "so-called"
"Herbert Armstrong" counterfeit Christianity
Encase your google search in double quotes as indicated above so that you will narrow the results down to a manageable level.
Herbert Armstrong constantly referred to non-Sabbathkeeping Christians as "so-called Christians" and constantly referred to them as "conterfeit Christianity". He would publicly state this on his television program so it is no secret.
Armstrongites believe that they alone possess "the truth", just like any of the major cults like Jehovah's Witnesses. They believe everyone else is deceived.
They believe God has called them in their "first lifetime" and that they are going to be priests and kings in the Millennium, as well as full God beings, in the resurrection. They will rule over whoever is still alive after the Great Tribulation. Everyone else receives their opportunity in a "second lifetime" where they will no longer be blinded to "the truth".
The system seems real to them because they've been led through the indoctrination. Their worldview appears coherent to them, but in reality it is not.
One of the reasons they deny the Trinity is because they believe that God is a family, into which they will be born into at the resurrection. In other words, they are God in embryonic form. They can be aborted at any time as a spiritual fetus if they turn away from their religion, but if they become perfect through a lifetime of obedience, they will become God beings.
I am bringing this up again due to reading an exchange between two Armstrongites on this forum discussing how you guys will be glad that you knew them when they are ruling over you in the Millennium, or in the period they call the "judgment" when the majority of mankind is resurrected and given their opportunity for salvation. Because you don't speak "Armstrongese" you may not recognize what they are claiming, but I do speak it, so I am exposing it when I see it.
I can't change the fact that I wasted over a decade involved in nuttiness, but I will expose nuttiness so that others don't fall for it when I can.
There is no really serious focus on Jesus Christ and him crucified in Armstrongism, which is the true Gospel. Placing one's faith in Him for salvation is the consistent teaching of Jesus Christ and the apostles, not adherence to the Old Covenant ceremonial and ritualistic laws.
You will find with these sorts of people that their focus is not on Jesus Christ. Ultimately it is on something else..lawkeeping or their prophetess or something else. Don't let yourself be fooled...that's my earnest advice. I wish I had that decade of my life back. God is good and he brought me out of it, though. He's given me work to do and I am going to do it until he calls me home. I am going to point to Jesus, not some phoney deceptive Gospel.
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This is one interaction with an Armstrongite on the forum. Notice that he affirms the Sabbath is a condition of salvation, and that he believes he is a god in embryonic form that will be born into the Godhead (Family of God) at the resurrection. Go back to the original posts to see the interaction. Notice that prove-all likes this post. He is the other one on the forum that I know about.
Armstrongites believe that they will be born into the Family of God as a literal God being at the resurrection. They deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit as well.
Armstrongites believe that they will be born into the Family of God as a literal God being at the resurrection. They deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit as well.
Can a true believer deny that not murdering is a condition of salvation?
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
John writes here that those who KEEP the Commandments are given the right to the tree of life and yes the fourth Commandment is one of those Commandments.
You seem to want to separate out ONE of the Commandments and say it si not necessary to keep it. If it is unnecessary to keep the fourth one, what about the third or fifth? Can one take God's holy name in vain, use it in all sorts of filthy communication and still be in the Kingdom?
What about dishonoring your parents?
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
Eph 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Paul seemed to think it was still in effect.
No, they are in the same category as those who break any of the other nine Commandments.
Would you believe that a liar is a true believer?
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
How about those who bow down to idols? how about adulterers? Those who practice Wicca or participate in séances? Are they true believers?
Those who ignore and break the Commandments without repenting are not true believers.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Breaking any of the Ten Commandments is a sin.
Please answer for all of us here whether you believe one can ignore and willfully break any of the Ten Commandments and be a converted Christian.
No, I do not. If the trinity doctrine is true, who died? If God is one in three phases (Yep, I endured the Nature of God tapes from K. J. Stavrinides).
Who was on earth and who was in heaven? How did the Father forsake Christ while He was on the stake?
Here is an interesting question for you, in every epistle in the New Testament, Paul sends a greeting from the Father and Christ and the Holy Spirit is NEVER mentioned. Hmmm if the Holy Spirit is a person, why did Paul snub him?
Yes I do, don't you?
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
God is making man after His image and LIKENESS. What does it mean to be like Christ?
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
You don't believe you will be LIKE Christ? You think you will be something different?
Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Maybe you don't believe that we are the family of God, Paul did and so do I.
Seems to me that I have not ever left any doubt about what I believe but just for you, I have restated the truth from scripture.
You have been deceived by those who led the church into apostasy. The Tkach's, Feazel, Albrecht and company led the church away from truth and sound doctrine.
Hope these answers are clear enough and straightforward enough for you. I try not to leave any doubt about what I know to be truth.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
John writes here that those who KEEP the Commandments are given the right to the tree of life and yes the fourth Commandment is one of those Commandments.
You seem to want to separate out ONE of the Commandments and say it si not necessary to keep it. If it is unnecessary to keep the fourth one, what about the third or fifth? Can one take God's holy name in vain, use it in all sorts of filthy communication and still be in the Kingdom?
What about dishonoring your parents?
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
Eph 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Paul seemed to think it was still in effect.
No, they are in the same category as those who break any of the other nine Commandments.
Would you believe that a liar is a true believer?
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
How about those who bow down to idols? how about adulterers? Those who practice Wicca or participate in séances? Are they true believers?
Those who ignore and break the Commandments without repenting are not true believers.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Breaking any of the Ten Commandments is a sin.
Please answer for all of us here whether you believe one can ignore and willfully break any of the Ten Commandments and be a converted Christian.
No, I do not. If the trinity doctrine is true, who died? If God is one in three phases (Yep, I endured the Nature of God tapes from K. J. Stavrinides).
Who was on earth and who was in heaven? How did the Father forsake Christ while He was on the stake?
Here is an interesting question for you, in every epistle in the New Testament, Paul sends a greeting from the Father and Christ and the Holy Spirit is NEVER mentioned. Hmmm if the Holy Spirit is a person, why did Paul snub him?
Yes I do, don't you?
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
God is making man after His image and LIKENESS. What does it mean to be like Christ?
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
You don't believe you will be LIKE Christ? You think you will be something different?
Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Maybe you don't believe that we are the family of God, Paul did and so do I.
Seems to me that I have not ever left any doubt about what I believe but just for you, I have restated the truth from scripture.
You have been deceived by those who led the church into apostasy. The Tkach's, Feazel, Albrecht and company led the church away from truth and sound doctrine.
Hope these answers are clear enough and straightforward enough for you. I try not to leave any doubt about what I know to be truth.
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Here is another remark that john832 made.
I will provide the context.
Armstrongites think that everyone else is blinded and does not have a relationship with God except for them, including "so-called Christians" who are following a "counterfeit Christianity".
Google "Herbert Armstrong" and "so-called Christians" or "Herbert Armstrong" and "counterfeit Christianity" if you want proof that this was part of the teaching of Herbert Armstrong.
Anyways, prove-all and john832 are basically saying you guys will remember how they tried to tell you the truth but you wouldn't listen. They think they will be born into the God family, as part of the Godhead, at the resurrection. They are living a life now working toward perfection so they will be born into the God family. It is very similar to Mormonism. They view themselves as gods in embryonic form.
Go back to the original post to verify the information.
I will provide the context.
Armstrongites think that everyone else is blinded and does not have a relationship with God except for them, including "so-called Christians" who are following a "counterfeit Christianity".
Google "Herbert Armstrong" and "so-called Christians" or "Herbert Armstrong" and "counterfeit Christianity" if you want proof that this was part of the teaching of Herbert Armstrong.
Anyways, prove-all and john832 are basically saying you guys will remember how they tried to tell you the truth but you wouldn't listen. They think they will be born into the God family, as part of the Godhead, at the resurrection. They are living a life now working toward perfection so they will be born into the God family. It is very similar to Mormonism. They view themselves as gods in embryonic form.
Go back to the original post to verify the information.
can you show post please i can not find it.
i am done answering you on that question, call me coward again all you want,
after i told you several times what believe.
if i believed that sunday keepers where unsaved i would have told you,
I believe once enlightened with the spirit, you can fall and not be able to become salty again,
which I pray does not happen to you.
i am done answering you on that question, call me coward again all you want,
after i told you several times what believe.
if i believed that sunday keepers where unsaved i would have told you,
I believe once enlightened with the spirit, you can fall and not be able to become salty again,
which I pray does not happen to you.
2. No conduct that is offensive or counterproductive to fellowship.
We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship
(or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people,
whatever, then that person is not welcome.
I believe you have offended many Sabbath keepers here, me included.
we will know them by there fruits or actions.
We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship
(or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people,
whatever, then that person is not welcome.
I believe you have offended many Sabbath keepers here, me included.
we will know them by there fruits or actions.
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This guy's post also reflects the view that Armstrongites have of normal Christianity.
Basically, they view regular Christianity as being a counterfeit version of true Christianity, which is their cult.
The guy who posted this has posted Restored Church of God videos, which is an Armstrongite cult.
By the way, their view of church history is not true. The Seventh Day Adventists hold a similar position.
The church moved from Saturday to Sunday long before Constantine and the Roman Catholic Church. The foremost Seventh Day Adventist historian, Samuele Bacchiocchi, researched this issue thoroughly and acknowledged that the transition was complete in about AD150. I don't think the SDAs changed their view on this, even with clearcut evidence that it was false.
Note that prove-all liked this post.
Basically, they view regular Christianity as being a counterfeit version of true Christianity, which is their cult.
The guy who posted this has posted Restored Church of God videos, which is an Armstrongite cult.
By the way, their view of church history is not true. The Seventh Day Adventists hold a similar position.
The church moved from Saturday to Sunday long before Constantine and the Roman Catholic Church. The foremost Seventh Day Adventist historian, Samuele Bacchiocchi, researched this issue thoroughly and acknowledged that the transition was complete in about AD150. I don't think the SDAs changed their view on this, even with clearcut evidence that it was false.
Note that prove-all liked this post.
yes that is correct, open to all to see.
and your point to this observance would be?
the bible talks about this, i could sure show you my Daniel and rev. study
mabe you should see the admins post about cathloc deception and there views
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record.html
and your point to this observance would be?
the bible talks about this, i could sure show you my Daniel and rev. study
mabe you should see the admins post about cathloc deception and there views
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record.html
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so why would they make this post
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record.html
so you do not believe the bible? here are some verses to back up false antichrists.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.some of Gods warning about another gospel being preached
2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Jesus Christ warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:4–5).
"There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ" (Galatians 1:7).
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you
than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you
than what you have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8–9).
For (false Christs) and (false prophets shall rise), and shall shew signs and wonders,
to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22 (KJV)
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24
Beware of (false prophets), which come to you in (sheep's clothing),
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Matthew 7:15)
As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that
you may (charge certain persons) not to teach (any different doctrine),(1 Timothy 3)
But there were (false prophets) also among the people, even as there shall be (false teachers among you),
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1)
These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow
their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit in them.(Jude 1:19)
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation
has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.(2 Peter 2:3)
a man named Simon had been a sorcerer there for many years,
amazing the people of Samaria and claiming to be someone great, a god to the people.
Everyone, from the least to the greatest, often spoke of him as “the Great One—the Power of God.”
They listened closely to him because for a long time he had astounded them with his magic.Acts 8:9-10)
These are the things you are to teach and insist on.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction
of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 1 Timothy 6:3
Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith;
they will follow deceptive spirits and (teachings that come from demons). 1 Timothy 4:14
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?(Matthew 7:22)
"Many will "begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,'
Jesus said "Depart from Me, (all you workers of iniquity)."
Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples
after them. So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years) I never stopped
(warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away
by the error of (the lawless) and (fall from your secure position).(2 Peter 3:17)
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,but according to their own desires,
because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. (II Timothy 4:3)
I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will (come in among you after I leave),
(not sparing the flock).Even some men from (your own group) will rise up and (distort the truth)
in order to draw a following.(Acts 20:29)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ
and are turning to a different gospel,which is really no gospel at all.
(A great wave of persecution began that day), sweeping over the church in Jerusalem;
and (all the believers except the apostles) were scattered through the regions of Judea and Samaria.(acts 8:9)
- all the believers scattered except the apostles, and they were tortured and killed.
We should be aware of false teachers who desire to destroy our faith.
Daniel 7:25 (KJV)
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and (think to change times and laws): and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
“Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, [and] have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart
is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:8–9).
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death" (Proverbs 14:12; 16:25)
so do you believe the devil is god of this evil world, and he has the whole world decieved?
are do you believe Jesus came to bring peace not war?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record.html
so you do not believe the bible? here are some verses to back up false antichrists.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.some of Gods warning about another gospel being preached
2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Jesus Christ warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:4–5).
"There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ" (Galatians 1:7).
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you
than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you
than what you have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8–9).
For (false Christs) and (false prophets shall rise), and shall shew signs and wonders,
to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22 (KJV)
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24
Beware of (false prophets), which come to you in (sheep's clothing),
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Matthew 7:15)
As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that
you may (charge certain persons) not to teach (any different doctrine),(1 Timothy 3)
But there were (false prophets) also among the people, even as there shall be (false teachers among you),
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1)
These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow
their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit in them.(Jude 1:19)
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation
has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.(2 Peter 2:3)
a man named Simon had been a sorcerer there for many years,
amazing the people of Samaria and claiming to be someone great, a god to the people.
Everyone, from the least to the greatest, often spoke of him as “the Great One—the Power of God.”
They listened closely to him because for a long time he had astounded them with his magic.Acts 8:9-10)
These are the things you are to teach and insist on.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction
of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 1 Timothy 6:3
Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith;
they will follow deceptive spirits and (teachings that come from demons). 1 Timothy 4:14
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?(Matthew 7:22)
"Many will "begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,'
Jesus said "Depart from Me, (all you workers of iniquity)."
Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples
after them. So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years) I never stopped
(warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away
by the error of (the lawless) and (fall from your secure position).(2 Peter 3:17)
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,but according to their own desires,
because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. (II Timothy 4:3)
I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will (come in among you after I leave),
(not sparing the flock).Even some men from (your own group) will rise up and (distort the truth)
in order to draw a following.(Acts 20:29)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ
and are turning to a different gospel,which is really no gospel at all.
(A great wave of persecution began that day), sweeping over the church in Jerusalem;
and (all the believers except the apostles) were scattered through the regions of Judea and Samaria.(acts 8:9)
- all the believers scattered except the apostles, and they were tortured and killed.
We should be aware of false teachers who desire to destroy our faith.
Daniel 7:25 (KJV)
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and (think to change times and laws): and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
“Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, [and] have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart
is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:8–9).
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death" (Proverbs 14:12; 16:25)
so do you believe the devil is god of this evil world, and he has the whole world decieved?
are do you believe Jesus came to bring peace not war?
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Because he views Catholicism to be an apostate church.
The poster below, which you agreed with, lumps Protestants in with their error, and indicates that Sunday observance is part of it.
This is consistent with Herbert Armstrong and his claim that both Catholics and Protestants are a "counterfeit Christianity" and are "so-called Christians", not real Christians like Armstrongites. You are basically agreeing with that view by agreeing with the poster.
The poster below, which you agreed with, lumps Protestants in with their error, and indicates that Sunday observance is part of it.
This is consistent with Herbert Armstrong and his claim that both Catholics and Protestants are a "counterfeit Christianity" and are "so-called Christians", not real Christians like Armstrongites. You are basically agreeing with that view by agreeing with the poster.